INTERVIEW: Christian Ward & Patric Reynolds

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,200 Hey, this is writer Christian Ward and this is artist Patrick Reynolds 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:11,000 And we are the creative team behind the hit vampire series through image comics 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,880 Blood stained teeth and you are listening to the oblivion bar podcast 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:28,220 Welcome to the oblivion bar podcast with your host Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles 5 00:00:28,220 --> 00:00:50,540 Hello everyone, welcome to episode 112 of the oblivion bar podcast the official podcast of the 6 00:00:50,540 --> 00:00:54,780 fantasy shop in st. Charles, Missouri. I am Chris Hacker one of your co-hosts here and joining me 7 00:00:54,780 --> 00:01:00,500 this week as he does every single week my BFF and co-host Aaron Knowles. What's up buddy? 8 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:06,300 Is it yo yo is there something what's what's up with your teeth? What do you mean? Are they they're 9 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:13,500 red are they blood stained? Oh that's that's very clever Aaron because today yes we are talking to 10 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:18,980 creators Christian Ward and Patrick Reynolds the co-creators artists writer of image comics blood 11 00:01:18,980 --> 00:01:23,700 stained teeth very excited to talk to those two gentlemen the tenth issue actually comes out March 12 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:31,780 29th so this episode is gonna come out on March 27th which says a Monday that Wednesday is when 13 00:01:31,780 --> 00:01:35,460 that tenth and final issue is gonna come out so a little pre-warning and I think we actually 14 00:01:35,460 --> 00:01:40,220 talked about during the conversation Aaron spoilers ahead if you have not read issue 10 15 00:01:40,220 --> 00:01:45,820 they or the entire series of blood stained teeth please don't go any further we want you to read 16 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:53,340 this yeah exactly like we want you to read this series we want you to come back and listen to this 17 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:57,460 conversation but make sure you read this because we you know when Christian came on and decided 18 00:01:57,460 --> 00:02:02,060 that he wanted to come back on the show Aaron he said that one of the things he really wanted to 19 00:02:02,060 --> 00:02:07,420 do was go full spoilers fully just openly discuss blood stained teeth and I was like well let's 20 00:02:07,420 --> 00:02:11,500 bring Patrick on as well because he obviously is co-creator like we just said he's got a 21 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:15,340 perspective on the creation of the story let's bring him on and also he doesn't do a ton of 22 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:18,900 podcasts as well so I thought it'd be really cool to have him right here on the oblivion bar and we 23 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:27,140 know they both are we what's that they're both sweet hats couple of sweet house sweet hats they 24 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:31,780 are awesome and I think you can tell how much fun we had with them during that 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on pretty much 48 00:04:45,580 --> 00:04:51,740 every social media we got a cover erin we have we have a variant cover of an image comic series 49 00:04:51,740 --> 00:04:56,220 called phantom road number one that's sold out yeah yeah first printings are sold out and we have 50 00:04:56,220 --> 00:05:01,900 the most exclusive variant of that sold out first printing so kudos to us if you want to you know 51 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:06,540 erin will tell you here in just a bit on how you can get a version of that probably over on whatnot 52 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:11,100 wink wink but uh christian ward did that cover art and we had again we do talk about during this 53 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:17,020 conversation so uh very exciting stuff yeah so when you can if you want to you know patreon.com 54 00:05:17,020 --> 00:05:21,900 forward slash oblivion bar pod join the patreon community show some support and we are forever 55 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:27,100 grateful for all the support of our you know current future and past you know supporters 56 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:33,260 it's been amazing and we just we take everything that is uh that is given via patreon and we just 57 00:05:33,260 --> 00:05:37,900 put it right back in the show because we want to make this that much better and i feel like we've 58 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:43,100 said enough so i really want to get into this amazing conversation that we're going to have 59 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:47,900 with patrick reynolds and christian ward that's right yeah let's go ahead and get into it uh we 60 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:52,220 will see you back after the conversation with christian ward and patrick reynolds 61 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:57,340 and now this week's special guest 62 00:06:00,940 --> 00:06:06,380 joining us for episode 112 is the creative team behind the smash vampire horror comic title 63 00:06:06,380 --> 00:06:10,780 through image comics bloodstained teeth the series follows everyone's favorite vampire bastard 64 00:06:10,780 --> 00:06:16,380 atticus slone for decades atticus has been turning humans into vampires for his own personal gain 65 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:22,540 now the firstborn council a secret cabal of billionaire vampires have issued atticus a threat 66 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:28,540 kill all those he has turned or the council comes for him it is our it is our honor to welcome 67 00:06:28,540 --> 00:06:36,860 christian ward and patrick reynolds onto the oblivion bar podcast that sounds really good 68 00:06:36,860 --> 00:06:41,740 i like the sound of that book that sounds like a wicked book that's a book that i like potential 69 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:48,300 potential eisner winner question mark down the road so who knows 70 00:06:51,660 --> 00:06:55,420 well thank you guys so much for being here we truly appreciate you coming on here uh christian of 71 00:06:55,420 --> 00:07:00,300 course this is your second time here on the oblivion bar podcast so welcome back i never left i was i 72 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:07,180 was here the whole time you just stayed you're working the soundboard it's been really uncomfortable 73 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:12,540 because i don't please just call me one please call me please go and again yeah patrick this is 74 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:16,620 your first time here on the oblivion bar so please yeah welcome here and uh we're so happy to have 75 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:22,460 you guys here we are such huge fans of bloodstained teeth we really do love it uh obviously we're 76 00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:27,580 we're fans of your guys individually but this this book is so great it's a holy original we're 77 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:31,820 going to talk about it like in depth here so i want to kind of set the stage here for everybody 78 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:35,420 here listening right now there are going to be spoilers for bloodstained teeth so if you have 79 00:07:35,420 --> 00:07:41,980 not read issue 10 which i think comes out next week guys march no it's the week after 29th i 80 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:47,740 think it is 29th of march yeah so we're recording this on march 17th erin and i were lucky enough to 81 00:07:47,740 --> 00:07:53,580 read issue 10 already so go us uh we got it it's awesome it's a great conclusion but just for 82 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:57,100 everyone listening and it's if it's okay with you guys i want to kind of check with patrick and 83 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:01,740 christian here if you guys want to go full full spoilers we can do that if not totally fine what 84 00:08:01,740 --> 00:08:10,380 do you guys think go deep spoilers ahoy we're going deep all right here we go so once again 85 00:08:10,380 --> 00:08:14,700 bloodstained teeth is uh you guys's newest title through image comics and i want to kind of start 86 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:19,100 with the conversation christian by asking you i'm going to butter you up as i always do every time 87 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:23,180 you come here on the show i gotta just gotta lather you up and all those compliments and 88 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:28,700 self you know the the compliments and all that it's not marjoram it's it's not i can't believe 89 00:08:28,700 --> 00:08:33,340 it's not butter it's the real it's the real churn stuff like it's really enough i can feel that 90 00:08:34,300 --> 00:08:37,020 and i can sense it yeah 91 00:08:39,580 --> 00:08:44,300 so you you're already known as you know probably one of the most skilled and unique artists in the 92 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:49,500 medium and and patrick is also i'm going to butter him up a little bit as well an incredible talent 93 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:53,980 one of the most incredible talents in the medium as well so my question for you christian is what is 94 00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:59,420 it specifically about patrick's art style that made you want to bring him on to this book i've 95 00:08:59,420 --> 00:09:05,180 got to be serious now i can't be i can't take the mickey uh well and it's funny because like 96 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:12,860 originally i was going to draw this book and write it it was going to be you know all me uh all about 97 00:09:12,860 --> 00:09:19,580 me just the christian ward show and uh and and i thought about it for ages like that i'm going 98 00:09:19,580 --> 00:09:25,580 to draw this this is what it's going to look like and the more i divert the idea particularly over 99 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:31,340 the pandemic because that's when it really started to kind of sort of solidify in my mind 100 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:40,300 the more i realized to sort of tell the story the best possible way was to bring in all these real 101 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:46,540 world elements because i always have this character atakus throne who was basically a vampire from 102 00:09:46,540 --> 00:09:52,700 money so the hook and the conceit was there but the kind of the wider world and the narrative and 103 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:58,540 the story that he would go on wasn't and then the pandemic happened and i realized that there was 104 00:09:58,540 --> 00:10:03,900 this parallel between kind of billionaires that were we were seeing them in the news and you know 105 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:11,260 bezos and and uh and musk you know doing all that their crap while the rest of us was like 106 00:10:11,260 --> 00:10:14,780 struggling and scared and and you know and everything that went with the pandemic that 107 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:22,140 feels like a million years ago now and i realized that there was a parallel between billionaires 108 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:29,020 and vampires and that you know the idea that a billionaire feeds off us and after working man 109 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:35,980 to become a billionaire the same way a vampire feeds off us physically to sustain himself but 110 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:41,980 then there's another thing that if you're immortal you kind of need to be a billionaire also so it 111 00:10:41,980 --> 00:10:49,580 just it just fit and once that final jigsaw fell into place i realized okay it needs to hold a 112 00:10:49,580 --> 00:10:57,900 mirror up to the world to really kind of like discuss that and and you know i i love my artwork 113 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:05,900 and i'm very proud of my artwork but it my work's more about kind of it's more otherworldly even 114 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:11,100 when i kind of like tell a story that's set within you know like head wounds it was set on earth and 115 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:17,420 and i have done stories kind of set within our reality it's always off obscure and just a bit 116 00:11:17,420 --> 00:11:22,860 just not quite right and i didn't want that for this story i felt like it needed to feel 117 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:31,580 almost as photorealistic as possible so that it was just like drilling home that that kind of point 118 00:11:32,140 --> 00:11:39,260 and um basically i done a i was doing a lot of covers for dark horse and i was asked to do a 119 00:11:39,260 --> 00:11:46,140 cover which never actually happened for uh mask that their new mask series that patrick was drawing 120 00:11:46,860 --> 00:11:53,260 and obviously they sent me i think the pdf of the first issue and it just it was just like ah it's 121 00:11:53,260 --> 00:11:59,580 him it's patrick he's the guy that's gonna do it and i reached out to patrick and he told me to sod 122 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:09,420 off and i couldn't believe no i only worked who no no thank you then he ghosted me for months and i just basically just 123 00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:14,460 kept emailing him and i managed to obtain some really juicy photographs which he doesn't want 124 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:22,060 to be shared um and that's how i got him yeah no but like and it was just i mean initially patrick 125 00:12:22,060 --> 00:12:27,260 couldn't do it because he had another project kind of on and then that kind of fell through 126 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:33,420 uh and didn't kind of quite work out as often as projects often do and it just all kind of fell into 127 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:41,740 place perfectly and that's the story of bloodstained teeth goodbye we're gonna get a copy of those 128 00:12:41,740 --> 00:12:47,580 photos we need a jpeg before we get out of here today but uh patrick i'd love to hear you kind of 129 00:12:47,580 --> 00:12:51,180 your perspective so when you were offered this job why did you think that this was something that you 130 00:12:51,180 --> 00:12:58,700 wanted to take on uh because it's christian war basically um when christian reached out to me uh 131 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:05,740 you know via uh via twitter um my first thought was is he sure then does he have the right 132 00:13:05,740 --> 00:13:11,340 patrick rentals you know i because this is like like he said before his stuff is very much born of 133 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:17,420 the cosmos right and my work is like a tom wait song come to life you know and the one legged 134 00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:23,820 vampire has to drink gasoline you know and i'm like i don't how these things like what you know 135 00:13:23,820 --> 00:13:28,380 how do uh how these things connect somehow and then he told me the story he's like so 136 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:33,020 there's billionaires who run everything but they're all vampires i'm like oh so it's non-fiction 137 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:40,220 that should be pretty easy like i can um but he's but he made sure to tell me like he really wants 138 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:46,140 the characters to be indelible he really wants the characters to be something that people can 139 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:51,580 relate to and have them be compelling even though they're vampires like there has to be like real 140 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:57,420 motivations behind what they do and they have to sort of wear that on their face and so atticus 141 00:13:57,420 --> 00:14:03,340 slone is a person who thinks he's cool you know but and so he but but he's not cool he has to 142 00:14:03,340 --> 00:14:07,740 cosplay as a cool person that's why with the david bowie suits and he has to like surround himself 143 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:13,100 with things to be cool he's sort of like you know the movie the talent of mr ribly how um 144 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:18,460 matt damon's character has to pretend to be dicky greenleaf and uh but he's not you know and so he 145 00:14:18,460 --> 00:14:23,020 has to sort of furnish his house it's what he thinks dicky greenleaf would be like and it doesn't 146 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:28,700 fit at all that's sort of how i approached atticus slone is like he wants to be cool so bad that he 147 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:35,020 has to wear it on his sleeve but he's not you know and you know sort of using my own face as a model 148 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:39,420 made it really easy because like and like you know adjust the facial expressions and that kind of 149 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:43,980 thing and then i sort of after i got out at the slone figured out i could sort of use that as a 150 00:14:43,980 --> 00:14:49,500 baseline for everybody else but i also wanted to extend that to the environment also extend that 151 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:55,660 to like the settings too because like um i love blade runner a lot but i also love david fincher 152 00:14:55,660 --> 00:15:00,700 movies and you know when you're watching a david fincher movie what who directed that movie and i 153 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:07,260 wanted to like create a sense of place that was that impactful you know that was that meant that 154 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:12,700 was that memorable and unique and so i when i was designing atticus's buildings or the added the 155 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:17,340 buildings of like um i kept that in mind too i wanted these streets that have character i think 156 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:21,900 you know light became a very important factor and so did textures i wanted people to feel like they 157 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:26,780 were there you know they could actually have a conversation with the skyline if they wanted to 158 00:15:26,780 --> 00:15:31,900 you know so to speak um and so like i just dove right in um you know i i just jumped in i was 159 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:37,340 like oh i could create a whole new world you know like the last um series i did before uh the mass 160 00:15:37,340 --> 00:15:41,500 was jill golem and i had to design a completely different world and i loved doing that because 161 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:46,220 no one ever seen that world before and so i kind of took that approach to designing the world of 162 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:50,220 bloodstained teeth you know and in christian was like okay you have to understand that there's a 163 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:55,180 big brother aspect to everything out here too like the vampires are there they're there but they're 164 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:59,820 not right there's like they're an unseen force that are sort of controlling everything so make 165 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:06,060 sure that you remind people that every chance you get and so like the alleys are narrow there's all 166 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:12,140 these wires hanging out to sort of show like traps a little bit you know and so the all of the um 167 00:16:12,140 --> 00:16:17,100 the environments are sort of oppressive even the ones in the past so yeah there's i wanted to make 168 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:22,380 sure there was that sense of menace as well too we want to get in a little bit of spoiler territory 169 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:26,220 so i have a very specific question here i want to ask both you gentlemen because again we have read 170 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:31,020 issue 10 that does come out on the 29th of march so if you don't want to hear anything past issue 171 00:16:31,020 --> 00:16:37,180 10 stop it here okay or skip do the little skip thing on the podcasting app you know 45 to a 172 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:43,660 minute here so after helping save the day with dr beveley and alx star we see Atticus make a rare 173 00:16:43,660 --> 00:16:48,140 selfless decision to basically head towards the roof and eventually take on mr tooth which i don't 174 00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:53,260 think he knows that he's up there at the time but he eventually is greeted by mr tooth which allows 175 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:57,740 everyone in the hospital to eventually get away right in the end we see Atticus and joey hanging 176 00:16:57,740 --> 00:17:03,980 out kind of embracing the morning sun but you know and as that issue concludes it kind of left a 177 00:17:03,980 --> 00:17:10,220 little open-ended little little gentlemen yeah gentlemen are we going to see eventually a 178 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:21,740 potential return to bloodstained teeth right well well that is the end of Atticus's story okay now 179 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:28,220 whether he goes on after that whether there was a last minute ex machina that gets him out of that 180 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:36,700 situation well i'll leave that up to you i know what i think um but i i can't be telling anymore 181 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:43,260 but that's his story you know he's done his journey he's kind of like learned as much as 182 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:48,060 he's going to learn we've learned as much as we're going to learn and really there's there's not 183 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:56,700 really anything else to say what i will say is atticus like all the firstborns has been around 184 00:17:56,700 --> 00:18:04,140 for a long time so there may be story before when we meet him that we will touch on i mean i think 185 00:18:05,340 --> 00:18:12,460 me and patrick have no immediate plans to tell any more stories however i have at least two or 186 00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:18,700 three stories in mind for this universe with different characters and their interactions 187 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:27,180 with the firstborn and some of those stories would definitely feature a familiar face but 188 00:18:27,180 --> 00:18:34,620 it wouldn't be his story yes i concur there is uh uh there the thing i liked about when i was 189 00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:40,220 doing issue 10 is i actually i actually did the last page first because i knew that that image had 190 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:47,660 to i had to nail that image and i had to make sure that everything that came before that was 191 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:54,300 what had a payoff that was worthy of our story and so i had to make sure even though it was 192 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:59,580 just a splash panel i had to make sure that i had the light just right where the sun just peeks over 193 00:18:59,580 --> 00:19:05,500 the over this over the cityscape you know but also you know you see like just how atticus and joey 194 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:11,340 are sitting you know how uh how they were reacting to the sun that's also important too you know uh 195 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:14,220 if they're not they're just going if they're bracing themselves going i can't do it or they're 196 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:19,420 just relaxed and resigned you know that makes a difference as well so i made sure i wanted to 197 00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:24,060 make sure that that all summed up on that last image right there but the cool thing about issue 198 00:19:24,060 --> 00:19:31,580 10 is it introduces these little little um hints at atticus's backstory like there's a page that 199 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:39,020 took me a while like that has panels of atticus going through different time periods and i tried 200 00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:43,820 to make sure like i had just watched the new interview with the vampire series too and so i 201 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:47,660 kind of like uh took that as a little bit of inspiration with some of the panels going like 202 00:19:47,660 --> 00:19:51,500 okay of course have costuming that kind of thing was important too but like you know there's a 203 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:56,060 reason there's a there's a way the actors and that show carry themselves when they know they're 204 00:19:56,060 --> 00:20:00,700 going to live forever you know there's a sense of malaise and boredom you know and i wanted an 205 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:05,260 atticus is pretty you know he usually has his glasses on but i wanted to make sure that atticus 206 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:11,820 is just you know this is just more monotony but if anything if anything uh let's say tita's taught 207 00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:15,820 us even though like things aren't happening at the time things did happen in the past that were 208 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:21,500 pretty important you know and so i i like the idea that like this sort of hints at what could be 209 00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:26,780 and there's also new characters um too that are reduced and they also could have their stories 210 00:20:26,780 --> 00:20:31,500 all by themselves have nothing to do with atticus too which would fit the story really well and so 211 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:35,740 i think the beauty of it is it's like it can also it can take an end here but it can also be like 212 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:40,860 you know an onion where you can keep peeling away at it yeah i i think that that's awesome and i 213 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:45,500 i agree with you guys 100 percent there's definitely much more to dive into if you guys want to uh i 214 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:50,060 think uh i could probably speak for anyone who's already read the issue once or listen to this that 215 00:20:50,060 --> 00:20:56,620 uh bevrly has a lot to explore with her character she's clearly one of the most interesting parts of 216 00:20:56,620 --> 00:21:01,180 the series and uh someone you can actually root for whether you like atticus throughout the series 217 00:21:01,180 --> 00:21:05,020 or not i think we can all agree that bevrly is someone that you can actually root for and go hey 218 00:21:05,020 --> 00:21:10,540 listen i want her to succeed in what she's doing you know yeah yeah i mean and that was kind of i 219 00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:15,420 mean that really was the crux of the whole story you know it was and even though she's not in it 220 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:21,260 as much as i mean obviously atticus is in every issue even her issue he's still in it like for 221 00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:31,420 one page it was it's as much her story as it is his even though you know page count you would think 222 00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:36,700 it was it was it wasn't an equal distribution you know it was really important that she was the other 223 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:43,420 side of the coin and i like the idea that um you know we all influence each other and we're all 224 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:52,780 influenced by our world and my my kind of thought with bevrly is that she's very much an unstoppable 225 00:21:52,780 --> 00:21:59,260 force for good like she just good good good even before you know her daughter becomes sick you 226 00:21:59,260 --> 00:22:04,460 know she's won these awards for being a you know a really caring doctor and we and we we tell you 227 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:12,140 that right from the first issue and i like the idea that like joey she has this weird influence 228 00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:23,580 on atticus and you know it's he's all the way through the book he never mentions her as as a 229 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:30,940 sip to hunt and i like the idea that that perhaps he would have done eventually he would have his 230 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:37,500 hands would have been forced but he was certainly leaving her to last and and i always like that i 231 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:48,140 did that that she was able to kind of like crack through his kind of exterior uh and and the pain 232 00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:55,580 that he has from his own history to sort of like get through to that little seed of of humanity that 233 00:22:55,580 --> 00:23:02,060 he kind of carries in him and so it was it was you saying that you know you rooted for that's 234 00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:08,220 that's incredibly gratifying to me because that's that's what we wanted we did another podcast a 235 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:13,900 while ago and the host asked us who was our favorite character and um and i think christian 236 00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:18,460 you said did you say atticus was your favorite character i can't remember probably you said 237 00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:23,980 that yeah let's uh let's uh i said atticus and i i said joey was my favorite character because 238 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:28,860 i thought that he sort of was the jiminy cricket of the whole series where he's like if there's 239 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:33,980 anything good about atticus you know it's represented by joey and then it's really 240 00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:39,420 poignant how christian wrote it because he leaves in the middle of issue eight and atticus feels 241 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:44,620 that he's like okay we're uh even though he complains he's like get away goes get away like 242 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:49,900 when he's not there you can definitely feel it and so when he comes back in issue 10 you know 243 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:55,580 that makes that much more of an impact like and yeah i i was outside building a fence today i was 244 00:23:55,580 --> 00:24:00,860 like man i wish my dad were here to help me and you know just that absence of somebody who you 245 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:06,620 depend on whether or not you're grateful for it or not is such an important thing you know and i 246 00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:11,100 was like you know i really want me i want to make sure that people feel like joey's absence as well 247 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:17,580 as well as his presence um you know and then of course beaverly has so many other so many more 248 00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:23,740 miles to go with with her with her story too and like as i drew her i was like man i really i want 249 00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:31,820 to i want to keep drawing this character you know um but who knows one day so a question for you 250 00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:37,820 patrick um and we know you've worked with writers like mike mcnola the mcnola verse titles uh joe 251 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:43,820 golem uh one of my favorites aliens fire and stone with chris robinson the mask with christopher 252 00:24:43,820 --> 00:24:49,020 cantwell and of course bloodstained teeth with you know christian ward here um since it's the 253 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:55,420 question it's the question why is christian your favorite carry on kind of kind of the question 254 00:24:55,420 --> 00:25:02,700 it might be cannot do the the conu this um since christian is an artist himself how how was it 255 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:08,300 working with him on this series um and how did it differ kind of working from from other or with 256 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:13,900 with other writers uh because he is an artist i was first of all i was like i was a little bit 257 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:20,140 more nervous at first i was like okay so he he knows uh he knows how to do both both things but 258 00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:25,340 so like i i really thought that like man i um most of the time i only have to like you know 259 00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:30,700 have things make sense for a writer and an editor and and but not but not also an artist you know 260 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:34,780 mike mcnola being the exception of course and so i was really super nervous i'm like okay so not 261 00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:39,420 only am i trying to like you know uh sure that i can tell a story but i'm trying to show christian 262 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:47,260 ward that i can draw so but uh thankfully that was never really an issue uh he really didn't give me 263 00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:51,340 a whole lot of notes uh a couple here and there but it was sort of it was it was super minor i 264 00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:56,220 was actually kind of surprised because i i think and christian you can answer this better like he 265 00:25:56,220 --> 00:26:01,900 just sort of knew like you know just sort of wind him up and let him go you know like you just sort 266 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:05,980 of like let people do their thing and if something is really kind of not working then we'll let you 267 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:11,500 know but like in the end like we were looking for something that became bigger than some of its parts 268 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,180 you know and so i know that even though i may really like a page or have a really good idea 269 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:19,100 i know that it's only going to be a part of a bigger thing and so like i kept that in mind as 270 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:23,900 well i try not to be too precious about that but the important thing is is that because christian 271 00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:27,740 is an artist because he knows what it's like to work as an artist for years he was like you need 272 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:33,340 to work more efficiently let me show you and and here's how you can be an artist and not kill 273 00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:38,380 yourself every day and so actually i started switching to digital on his urging but also my 274 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:43,500 girlfriend of course because she likes being near me and like actually actually like being in a 275 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,740 relationship with me and so like i figured i need to figure out a way to make sure that i can still 276 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:53,740 be a person while making comics and uh christian is always super good about keeping that in mind 277 00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:59,500 he's like you know we're artists of course but also your person and you cannot keep doing this 278 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:05,260 forever like um in 2013 i put myself in the emergency room just because i was working 279 00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:10,540 so many hours and um it's just i have an illustrator's mentality where it's like it 280 00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:14,700 has to be a certain way you know and i have to detail the hell out of it you know and i have to 281 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,780 show people what i'm capable of and now i'm at the point where like i don't necessarily need to do 282 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:22,540 that anymore i need i have to focus more on self-preservation and i really think that christian 283 00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:27,020 helped me out with that and and keeping him and keeping that stuff in mind as well like you know 284 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:33,420 um he he worked with me with the schedule he told me uh told me about like what i should be expecting 285 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:41,020 of myself but also he um gave me this awesome copy of pulp that's upside down by uh Sean 286 00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:46,540 oh i love pulp yeah so good and what it has inside of it is it has like the whole making of breakdown 287 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:50,860 of it and Sean Phillips talks about how he didn't spend 30 years getting better he spent 30 years 288 00:27:50,860 --> 00:27:56,300 getting faster and he talked about his process and i'm like this is very interesting and so i've been 289 00:27:56,300 --> 00:28:01,820 studying this like a bible trying to figure out ways to make my work more efficient and i have 290 00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:07,980 christian to thank for that so yes it had that's awesome pretty severe impact this series did your 291 00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:13,420 style is like is i don't know it's hard to kind of describe it's like this neo pulpy like 292 00:28:13,420 --> 00:28:18,700 realistics but it's also like it's it's unlike anyone else's in the medium where does that come 293 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:24,700 from and is there like any kind of specific inspiration behind that so many inspirations i 294 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:30,220 mean a lot of it comes from just making mistakes and figuring out what not to do ever again but 295 00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:35,100 you know of course i looked at you know jayson shan alexander's work mike maniola of course um 296 00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:44,300 and john paul leone uh before he passed away um and uh but also like um michael lark um and uh but 297 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:52,140 also uh uh andrea sorentino um who all they seem to have like a way of doing what i want to do but 298 00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:58,300 doing it faster and better so i'm trying to like look at a way to like okay can i still like 299 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:03,420 streamline this but still have that thing where it looks like it's um you know there's a humanity 300 00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:09,100 to it you know and um and so i but what i have been looking at of course uh i'll also look at 301 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:14,700 laurence campbell quite a bit who is also a manuel artist as well but also artists who aren't like me 302 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:20,540 at all like scotty young even like even like joelle jones like there's an economy to what she does 303 00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:25,500 but there's also a rhythm and an energy to what she does as well and so like even though that our 304 00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:29,740 works are like you know polar opposites you know there's there's a way to learn from everybody but 305 00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:36,460 i would definitely say that the person i learned learned the most uh was probably probably mike 306 00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:41,260 maniola jayson shan alexander because like i saw like they were trying to do things i wanted to do 307 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:48,860 and yeah uh i would say that but also i i also i watch a lot of movies and like a lot of a lot 308 00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:55,100 of coham brothers movies a lot of movies uh um uh filmed by roger deacons just because i like 309 00:29:55,100 --> 00:30:00,460 his storytelling and i like the way he did no country for old men and um but the of course 310 00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:05,660 david fincher as well because like i love the way his movies tell stories without with light and 311 00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:12,780 with dark and with um uh shot composition so like yeah i i also read a look at a lot of tv series 312 00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:19,580 even breaking bad and better call sol have really well filmed uh sequences that are essential to 313 00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:25,900 storytelling and so like i yeah uh i would say probably david fincher and also roger deacons 314 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:31,340 as well even though they're not comic book artists at all so yeah i mean i'm a fan of most of if not 315 00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:36,220 all of those artists but i feel like and i and i see the inspiration for sure but your style is 316 00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:42,540 so of its own and it is very cinematic as well which i love this book it feels like it's almost 317 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:45,260 and i'm again i'm not just saying this because you guys are here right in front of us but it 318 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:51,500 feels like an almost automatic like option this amc and put this on television tomorrow like it 319 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:56,140 just feels like it needs to be like something like not that every comic should be optioned into 320 00:30:56,140 --> 00:31:00,540 another medium but like this feels this feels like an easy transition do you guys see that as 321 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:05,260 well or not really so much you do i mean i i think you have to be very careful kind of as a comic 322 00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:11,020 book creator that you don't kind of set out to create a comic with that goal because i think 323 00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:16,540 you can kind of you know we've all read comics that feel like oh this is a treatment rather than 324 00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:23,820 the comic so it's definitely designed to be a comic and if it was a tv show or film my thoughts is 325 00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:29,580 it would be structurally very very different and it would be a kind of different thing but um oh 326 00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:36,860 100 100 i think it'd be um i'd love to see aticus like you know do you know what i mean does actually 327 00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:43,020 see him as a real person i mean he'd be delicious be amazing yeah anybody you could see him playing 328 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:48,140 absolutely oh yeah but i don't think i yeah i mean fantastic i think i always see i think 329 00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:52,620 there you go full fan casting because i think kind of like you know if there's somebody out there who's 330 00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:56,380 just like let's say there's an actor out there who's just like i really want to play this character 331 00:31:56,380 --> 00:32:00,380 and then i say oh i think this character this actor would be brilliant for this person do you 332 00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:06,300 know i mean it could almost i mean it's definitely a few people but i'd be like i know who i would 333 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:14,940 cast as aticus um but i could also see a lot lots of other people kind of you know bring it in to 334 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:23,340 sort of like i mean my my friend oscar for one i think would make uh oscar isaac i think would make 335 00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:30,300 um i think he'd be brilliant you know um as uh as i guess i mean i think kind of like whoever 336 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:36,140 would play him it's not necessarily about how they would look it's just about having that 337 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:42,060 lovable bastard quality do you know i mean it would need to be somebody who could really just like 338 00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:47,900 you know really not give a shit they really have to be able to not give a shit and i think that 339 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:53,420 would be quite a you know an actor's got to be quite confident to be that unlikable really 340 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:57,820 yeah yeah we we've all had those friends too that have always been that have been like kind of the 341 00:32:57,820 --> 00:33:04,700 troublemaker someone who has um often let you down in most situations but you still root for them 342 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:09,420 because you know there's something good in them there's something in there that you know it yeah 343 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:13,500 it's the potential of them just getting and you want to be there for that to like see them get 344 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:18,140 over the hump and it's you know again to kind of talk about issue 10 we see that i mean i think 345 00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:22,620 we see a version of that with aticus with him going up to the roof and taking on mr tooth he 346 00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:28,220 he got over the hump of being a bastard too i mean he's probably still a bastard but he did something 347 00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:33,980 good for a change revival story you know a good yeah redemption redemption story arc 348 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:39,340 well that's what makes characters compelling is when they have to make choices and they have and 349 00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:43,980 they stand to lose lose things by making them or not making them right i mean like when characters 350 00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:49,020 change that's when they become like interesting relatable you know um yeah very relatable yeah 351 00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:54,300 very human i think that's one thing i saw when i was reading this was i saw for lack of a better 352 00:33:54,300 --> 00:34:01,340 word the the humanity in in these characters and i think that you're writing christian along with 353 00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:07,660 your art patrick like i don't know it's really like the the dynamic the dynamic storytelling 354 00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:16,060 along with the dynamic use of colors really yeah really amplified the emotion in some of these 355 00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:20,060 scenes and that's something that that i didn't even realize that i was paying attention to until 356 00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:25,020 after i went back and was kind of looking at some of the earlier panels um just there's this one 357 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:30,780 particular i want to say it was uh issue six where you know we're just looking at this character's 358 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:35,180 face and it's everything's kind of black and white the background is blue and then his teeth are kind 359 00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:39,180 of like a yellow with a little bit of red in there of the mouth and it's just it's just really 360 00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:45,500 focusing on what makes him a vampire and that he stands out from this world and i and i just again 361 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:52,940 the whole formula together was was was phenomenal so so so kudos to all of you thank you thank you 362 00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:57,900 yeah we it was sort of like uh now i know why certain bands work really well together like the 363 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:02,860 who or even Fleetwood Mac you know not to say that we were dysfunctional in that way but like um you 364 00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:07,020 get to understand like if you take somebody out of that band you know it would be a completely 365 00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:11,420 different band it would music would be totally different you know um but like my favorite band 366 00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:15,500 is Pearl Jam you know and they've had the same members for decades and you can tell you know 367 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:19,260 that they actually they play off each other really well you know they let each other do their thing 368 00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:23,020 and then they come back but like what the music they make together is theirs you know it's 369 00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:28,940 definitely theirs it's not just music it's their music you know and i i love thinking about comic 370 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:33,260 books that way you know thinking about like it's a group thing that becomes a bigger thing than 371 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:38,460 the individual members so yeah yeah storytelling in general is a collaborative effort you know you 372 00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:41,980 have a writer you have an artist you have a color you have an anchor you have all these different 373 00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:47,500 parts but it it is like you know as someone who i'm not telling i don't have to tell you guys this 374 00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:51,740 you obviously know this i'm telling for the listeners this is you know obviously Patrick 375 00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:55,980 has had some influence in terms of how the story goes Christian i'm sure not only because of his 376 00:35:55,980 --> 00:36:01,020 background as an artist but also as the writer has said hey listen let's let's see this a certain 377 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:05,420 way i'm sure you know Heather i'm sure Heather's even had some input here and there as well so 378 00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:09,820 um it's what it's one of those very rare mediums where everyone has a piece of the pie 379 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:15,020 when it comes to telling us you know a really compelling story yeah definitely uh so Christian 380 00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:19,740 i wanted to pick your brain on a little thing okay it's not a big deal you know honestly i don't even 381 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:23,420 really care i don't think Aaron really cares it's not we we probably shouldn't even bring it up 382 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:31,820 uh but we recently announced that we have a variant cover oh yes through through whatnot 383 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:37,740 uh it's for a you know a series through image comics called Phantom Road oh with the writer Jeff 384 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:43,980 Lemire yeah and i think i've heard of him Gabriel Walter as well you know yeah of course and i'm 385 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:47,420 gonna you know obviously the listeners can't see this but i'm gonna hold it up to the camera just 386 00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:52,220 for you know just for the layman but Christian we reached out to you and said hey listen we have this 387 00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:57,740 idea you know or just whatnot came to us what's that or i just said gorgeous cover yeah yeah it's 388 00:36:57,740 --> 00:37:03,260 i mean it's incredible and when whatnot came to us for this cover they said you know pick your 389 00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:07,980 artist and we'll reach out to them you know all that good stuff and you obviously were one of the 390 00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:11,980 first people that came to mind and i actually i just messaged you and i was like hey what do 391 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:17,420 you think and you're like yeah well let's do it all right which is both unsurprising and also very 392 00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:23,980 very incredible so first of all thank you so much for doing this it's i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you 393 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:30,380 and i feel like we we talk enough to for me to say that we're friends i hope i can say that and 394 00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:33,740 every time that i see you i feel like i'm gonna have to thank you at least once for doing this 395 00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:38,300 because it really it really does and if you look on the back here as well bam what do you see there's 396 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:44,460 a little uh oblivion bar logo so you know that's really it really just sends at home so yeah as i 397 00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:48,220 as if you go back to listen to our first conversation with Christian it's not going to be me just uh 398 00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:55,100 buttering up the whole time i want to actually ask you a question here which is the question 399 00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:58,860 let's get back to the question what was the process like for you in terms of creating this 400 00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:03,100 obviously we know what it was like it was basically just us talking to whatnot trying to figure out 401 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:07,660 what series what artist all the stuff for you who actually did all the heavy lifting and created the 402 00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:12,780 cover what was it like for you did you have any input from jeff any any input from gabriel what 403 00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:19,660 was it like no not really at all i mean i for me covers are really instinctive um i love doing 404 00:38:19,660 --> 00:38:25,660 covers and it's why i do a lot of them um and i can knock a cover out in a day i can see patrick 405 00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:31,020 over there shuddering at the thought of doing a cover in a day um and it's it's weird because like 406 00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:40,380 i think 2015 oh my god um i mean i think kind of once once i've kind of like you know i've read 407 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:45,980 the kind of the comic i was very lucky that i got an early pdf of issue one of phantom road and uh 408 00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:52,140 and i've worked with with um and i think i've done variants for all of jeff's crasher own books for 409 00:38:52,140 --> 00:39:01,100 the last seven years i've done pretty much all of them and so like we we don't really work together 410 00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:07,980 he just sends me the the pdf and just get on with it sort of thing that that that works for me and 411 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:13,820 i just make the dang cover let's go um stop emailing christian no i will not work with you 412 00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:23,820 so and so i know i just you know it's weird like i don't know how patch how it works with patrick 413 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:28,940 and i know this isn't the case with a lot of other artists because it's something i've spoken about 414 00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:35,100 with other artists but when i when i'm doing a cover or any or a comic page but specifically a 415 00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:41,660 cover is it's it's where this kind of presents itself most clearly i will just see an image 416 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:47,660 and it will be like in my head and i'll be like okay that's the image or in this case there might 417 00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:52,780 be like two or three images and then i'll just sketch those images down and send it to you know 418 00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:59,260 you guys or the editor or the writers or the artists whoever i'm dealing with and then choose 419 00:39:59,260 --> 00:40:05,260 the favorite and then and i just do it i mean so with this one there was the two that i really liked 420 00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:11,340 um but actually even though i was a bit disappointed that the guys went with this one 421 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,980 i actually think in it we were yeah but i think in the end initially yeah and i think kind of like 422 00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:21,660 you know it was the perfect cover like i'm really really happy with kind of how it came out and 423 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:27,020 it's where you just you just have a little snapshot and then the whole you just basically 424 00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:32,300 spew i always feel a bit like that was that quote from michael angelo where he kind of like he 425 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:39,740 doesn't sculpt the um the the statues he just takes the stone away and the statue is he's inside 426 00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:44,620 the stone so it's i kind of feel a little bit like that like it's already there and i'm just kind of 427 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:50,620 moving towards it it's inevitable that it will exist uh i don't know quite how it will exist 428 00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:55,100 but i know that's what it's going to be so it's all it's all very it sounds really spiritual but 429 00:40:55,100 --> 00:41:01,100 it's not it's just lazy i just do i just go done i think i think steven king said something similar 430 00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:06,220 he was saying that he doesn't actually create the stories there's this universe out there and all 431 00:41:06,220 --> 00:41:13,100 the stories are just like he is kind of the um just the app conduit yeah so it's just like the 432 00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:18,940 stories are flowing from him and he just tells that so i love that i know chris and i we got 433 00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:25,100 we got together and we were talking about the comic the same the cover the same exact way we were like 434 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:29,580 originally we were like really liking the other one and then this is the one that was chosen and 435 00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:34,620 as soon as we saw it like come to fruition and and and what the final product was we were like oh 436 00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:39,980 yeah this is the this was the right choice very very much so and uh you know even if it is a 437 00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:45,580 shuddering experience patrick i am very excited to see you covers that you come up with you know 438 00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:50,940 going forward like now that i we've met and i've seen your work i'm i'm super excited uh to see 439 00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:56,700 what you come up with as well chris can tell you i'm an i'm a rather new comic book fan i'm new 440 00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:03,740 into the industry uh and i collect mostly just for art that i that i love and so uh i like i'm 441 00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:08,940 saying uh christian this is going to be one that i definitely get graded and and and put up on the 442 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:13,180 wall and patrick with your art style i'm going to be doing the same thing so so i really look 443 00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:21,980 forward to it as well my my schedule my schedule is cleared up a bit so uh um uh yeah so i i would 444 00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:25,980 that would be awesome i would love more opportunities to do things like that you know my process a 445 00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:32,940 little more labor than christians more labor than anybody else i think so um but yeah it's um i 446 00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:37,180 tend to like you know i'm really into like tactile things like i want to feel stuff and i want to 447 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:41,580 like put down washes and i want to put down mediums and stuff like that and just sort of play around 448 00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:46,620 with stuff and then but yeah so um but i feel what christian saying is like i i've learned never to 449 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:52,140 like hand in ideas that you don't want people to use because they will usually pick them so 450 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:57,260 get her off like using a couple of ideas that you feel really really good about and it's a similar 451 00:42:57,260 --> 00:43:01,180 thing to what christian said like yeah i have an image in my head of what i want and then like 452 00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:06,220 michael angelo like his there his pieces are literally called bound captive or bound slate 453 00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:10,940 he would say that he frees the subject from the stone that's how we you know and that's sort of 454 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:14,940 i think that's a really apt analogy too it's like you're you're having it you have some idea but you 455 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:19,180 sort of what it never ends up being like what you exactly thought it would be anyway you know and 456 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:23,020 that's part of the beauty of it is that when you have the big marble piece in in front of you or 457 00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:27,900 in front of him and he'd just be walking around kind of looking at the angles and just like time 458 00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:33,980 to work love that idea yeah yeah and it's amazing like then you know two or three days go by and 459 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:39,420 you're like i'm still working on this and my dog needs to be fed and you you need to be fed too 460 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:44,620 don't forget still working on that um as you can probably tell i'm working on getting more vitamin 461 00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:52,620 and fiber at all so um yeah exactly but that's exactly right yeah we see the labor intensity in 462 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:57,420 in your work honestly patrick like a lot of the work that you put in the art style it the style 463 00:43:57,420 --> 00:44:02,540 that you have could not be done quickly or at least not as quickly as some people right like 464 00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:07,660 you're you're obviously like you said working on making it quicker but your style and what makes 465 00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:14,220 it so incredible is how realistic and how detailed it is you know so thank you i'm lucky i have like 466 00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:17,740 christian but also my girlfriend who is also an artist she actually just did the color design 467 00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:23,820 for the panokia movie that just won an oscar oh nice she did the color design for that movie 468 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:28,380 and and um among other things so she works digitally too so she's she actually is helping 469 00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:32,940 me out with procreating that kind of thing too and it's like saying you can reuse stuff you know i'm 470 00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:39,100 like what she's like yeah you can use things that's no one no one cares reuse stuff especially still 471 00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:44,780 on me so anyway yeah it's it's been a journey to say the least slap a coat of paint on there and 472 00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:49,340 call it a day call it a new cover yeah i want to say this is one of my favorite panels this is the 473 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:57,100 it was issue six um in front of the incinerator oh yeah yeah yeah that was just such a panel for i 474 00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:02,220 don't know why it was just like right before he meets the doctor the one panel where she did that 475 00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:07,740 shadow cuts across his face and his face and then laying up so that was like man i wish i'd done 476 00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:13,980 that somewhere when i looked at that that was all mac shader right so yeah that was that was mac 477 00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:23,900 chatter's cover uh issue yeah he was our guest issue for for um for um beveley's um issue one 478 00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:31,260 shot story yeah uh but i was like damn why didn't i do that issue six was him and then uh christian 479 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:37,020 you did one as well wasn't it was issue four but i did yeah so i did 20 pages and then we bookended 480 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:42,140 it with patrick so patrick did the first five i think and then the last four and then i did 20 481 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:47,260 in the middle yeah those are the first yeah the first five just like like the first one just drew 482 00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:54,060 you in pardon the pun and i don't know like again patrick i'm just i'm you're you're i think that's 483 00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:58,300 um there's a couple artists we've had on the on the show was like philip kennedy johnson and 484 00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:05,820 daniel warren johnson their styles are so like kinetic and and and busy and yours is just so 485 00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:10,780 philip is a writer erin oh i'm sorry well it's then it was daniel warren john daniel daniel 486 00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:15,260 warren johnson yeah yeah sorry uh again i'm still new at all this so i'm still like learning like 487 00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:20,380 how to how to decipher just pick a three name johnson and you probably got it right but yeah 488 00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:28,380 i just three name johnson that sounds like i will shut up now but yeah 489 00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:38,300 before we start getting into some johnson talk gentlemen i think that'll probably do it for our 490 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:43,420 conversation here today for episode 112 uh it has been absolutely incredible sitting here talking 491 00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:48,540 to you gentlemen about bloodstained teeth and just your processes and just your careers in general 492 00:46:48,540 --> 00:46:53,340 um very very excited to see what you guys continue to do obviously uh you're more than welcome to 493 00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:57,660 come back on at any point when you have a new project christian i know that you'll you'll have 494 00:46:57,660 --> 00:47:01,980 me in your dms constantly i'll just be here i'm not leaving i'll just be here yeah you're just 495 00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:05,820 gonna stick around uh and then patrick when you eventually follow us back on twitter we will 496 00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:10,940 we'll we'll uh bother you in your dms too if you want yeah it's totally up to you i feel like such 497 00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:18,860 a diva i'm sort of like oh oblivion bar who are those plebs who peasants get out of here peasants 498 00:47:18,860 --> 00:47:23,340 no no it's totally fine i totally get it but um is there anything you guys want to plug 499 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:30,940 or say before we head out here today no i mean i think the uh for people that may have missed the 500 00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:36,380 whole thing the collection comes out second question comes out on the uh i believe the 7th 501 00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:41,820 of may so if people want to pick up the collection they'll be able to get the whole story um come 502 00:47:41,820 --> 00:47:46,860 the 7th of may cool yeah i'm looking forward to that too emerald city like people love the first 503 00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:51,340 volume like they was i i sold out of all my books there so i'm really excited to see how the second 504 00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:59,020 volume comes out too so as everybody hold up their volume one of bloodstained teeth yeah there is 505 00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:03,340 everybody's got theirs i want to get a photo of all of us is holding up all of our bloodstained 506 00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:10,620 teeth mine's just on my ipad oh now now i feel i feel like no now i have to go buy a physical one 507 00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:16,300 please do please do we sell enough of these we get to do a hardcover which would be amazing 508 00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:22,220 i love hardcovers yeah not yes and erin you you're gonna actually though you're gonna want to buy 509 00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:26,940 you're gonna want to buy volume two because christian told us is it okay if i announce this 510 00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:32,300 christian the thing you told me about volume two oh yes yes yes yes okay all right uh everybody 511 00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,140 listening right now shameless brag because we're all about the shameless brag here on the oblivion 512 00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:42,060 bar uh we have a pull quote on the back of volume two of bloodstained teeth so if you can't get 513 00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:48,140 enough of the oblivion bar bloodstained teeth combo you're gonna get some of it here at the end 514 00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:52,540 of volume two so and again thank you both for allowing us to be on that we truly appreciate it 515 00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:58,060 so another milestone for us and it was easy to brag about this the series honestly i again i'm 516 00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:02,700 not just saying that because you're here truly truly loved it so um yeah i think that'll probably 517 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:07,420 do it and uh where can they follow you on follow you guys on social media or otherwise uh well i'm 518 00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:15,740 cj ward art and that's the same twitter and instagram at cj cj ward art and because i have 519 00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:20,620 i have absolutely no memory whatsoever um my uh instagram handle is just patrick j reynolds 520 00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:28,460 that's all just one word i could see how you couldn't remember that it being your name 521 00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:33,580 i don't know how i got dressed this morning i'm not sure of like my uh my and i'm also on twitter 522 00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:38,140 i'm on i think it's just uh patrick underscore reynolds and the uh i had to actually had to 523 00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:43,820 reference that too on my phone because i have i'm around a lot of chemicals all day so i'm sorry i 524 00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:50,140 different handles all all over the place it's all we've talked about continuity here on the 525 00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:55,500 show before about how we've tried to nab up all the oblivion bar pod handles that we can grab and 526 00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:00,540 we luckily got all of them so um yeah it's it's important so thank you guys so much for being 527 00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:05,100 here we truly appreciate it and uh we'll talk to you soon awesome thank you thanks so much 528 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:10,140 all righty there's our conversation with both of those gentlemen christian ward and patrick reynolds 529 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:15,340 um again go get bloodstained teeth number 10 it's going to be in comic shops it'll be at 530 00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:21,580 your local comic book shop this wednesday on march 29th so go check that out uh we also talk about it 531 00:50:21,580 --> 00:50:26,140 during the conversation erin we're going to be on the back of the volume two of bloodstained teeth 532 00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:31,020 which is incredible just very very grateful for both christian ward and patrick reynolds 533 00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:34,700 uh but but also a really special shout out to christian because again he's the one who asked 534 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:39,100 to do that pull quote he's also the one who did our a variant cover for phantom road number one 535 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:43,180 he's just been a really good friend to us here on the show and me personally and i'm just very very 536 00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:48,620 excited about the future of what he's going to do and also what we can do with him in the future i 537 00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:52,780 think there's going to be a couple other things down the road that we might be able to uh bring 538 00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:58,220 to the world hopefully uh in the near future so um erin let's get let's go ahead and get out of 539 00:50:58,220 --> 00:51:03,180 episode 112 here just a couple things though off the top number one erin we're going to be at mega 540 00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:07,580 con next week which is exciting this is our first comic convention together you know again if you've 541 00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:11,820 listened to us on the grid you've probably heard that erin got a job at csa comic sketch art so he 542 00:51:11,820 --> 00:51:15,660 will be joining me in orlando for mega con how excited are you by the way i'm so excited you 543 00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:22,780 know what i want to do i want to try out my uh toadstool impression when he gets that's my best 544 00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:31,820 total i'm so excited yeah that's that's a uh in an illusion no an illusion no that's that's eluding 545 00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:37,580 there we go that's alluding to what we're going to be talking about soon i think on on the grid or 546 00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:42,140 some that's a little sneak peek uh because mario the super mario brothers movie is coming out and 547 00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:47,900 i'm super excited for that erin you read my mind because actually for episode 113 of the oblivion 548 00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:53,420 bar podcast we're going to be reviewing super mario bros movie which is incredible i'm erin i'm 549 00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:58,940 going to tell you right now every single clip that i see i get more excited and i actually i asked you 550 00:51:58,940 --> 00:52:03,420 the other day i was like do you think this might be your first five out of five david a whiners i 551 00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:07,740 don't want to put too much pressure on you can't just ask somebody that that's like that's if it's 552 00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:14,860 incredible though if it's obviously obviously obviously obviously i mean i think i might even 553 00:52:14,860 --> 00:52:19,900 give it a five out of five if it's really really good it's not special from it why not it's five 554 00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:23,820 out of five david a whiners there's only one one you were to be that's ever gotten that yeah 555 00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:27,020 well that doesn't mean that it doesn't make any less special 556 00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:31,900 but yeah so episode 113 we will be talking about super mario brothers movie of course it's going to 557 00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:36,940 be so awesome can't wait to do that honestly if we hadn't just gotten together for ant man the was 558 00:52:36,940 --> 00:52:40,940 quantumania i would have said we should get together for this but i mean why not you know maybe i would 559 00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:46,380 have told you to shave your beard and that way you could have been mario or i could have been mario 560 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:50,940 and you could have been luigi yeah i should be luigi that's what i think because you're i'm taller 561 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:59,180 right and skinnier we'll say i'm fatter i'm fatter that's fine whatever whatever you know what you are 562 00:52:59,180 --> 00:53:03,580 beautiful the way that you are thank you and i will tell you and i will tell you this in front of the 563 00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:10,860 entire world like a plastic bag drifting through the wind all right well before erin continues to 564 00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:18,380 go on the katy perry trail there let's go ahead and get out of 112 here and let's get into the 565 00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:23,900 um let's go ahead and get out of 112 here erin go and take us out of here fine i hate this part 566 00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:29,580 because i hate saying goodbye subscribe to our podcast apple podcast sutra spotify google podcast 567 00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:34,220 amazon music and i heart radio join our patreon community patreon.com forward slash oblivion 568 00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:38,860 bar pod like i said earlier thank you to our patrons here's the special part erin greg sebastian 569 00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:44,460 brad b rob david travis jeff jay cassidy george christy alex kyle hayley jeff s losie jeremy and 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