MOVIE REVIEW: Captain America: Brave New World

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Hey, this is Philip Kennedy Johnson, writer of Superman and Alien, and you're listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 182 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I am Chris Hacker.

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I see every calculated possibility, every impractical future except how to properly take care of this growth on top of my head.

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And joining me is our commander in chief with a real bad case of the Monday is my cohost and BFF, Knowles.

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Never tell me the odds.

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Everybody we were looking for a pertinent Harrison Ford rebuttal there and Aaron I think you got a good one there.

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He didn't tell me what it was.

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I like what you came up with.

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I think Star Wars.

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I wanted to go with something like, you know, Harrison Ford from, you know, Brave New World, which, you know, spoiler alert, that's what we're going to be talking about today.

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Yes.

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But I wanted to bring up something from that, but it's still so new and so fresh.

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It really only came out two days ago.

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So I didn't want to go and give a good reference that nobody like nobody was like, the fuck is that from?

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Also, you know, not to spoil our conversation, which we are going to be talking about, already said we are reviewing Captain America Brave New World, the fourth entry in the Captain America saga and the 35th Marvel Cinematic Universe film.

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My gosh.

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That's not including TV.

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But, you know, again, to sort of speak on what Aaron chose there, not a ton to really quote necessarily, at least in my opinion.

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know, Aaron, this is our first movie review of 2025.

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And also I should say really quickly before we get into it.

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I'm a little nasally right now.

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I'm sure some of the people can probably hear that in my voice.

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So I apologize ahead of time.

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However, I feel okay.

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So we're going to power through.

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I'm a true champion of this.

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I got to bring everybody that, that nerdy content, right?

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So, and Aaron's currently holding up his Captain America Brave New World poster.

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That's actually a pretty good intro into this.

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We both went to the fan event.

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Was yours AMC as well?

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Was it considered AMC or was it just like an IMAX?

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Mine was not an AMC.

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mine was not an AMC.

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Sorry.

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I apologize.

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Because I'm thinking I've actually I've been to two movies this week.

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I went and saw The Monkey, which we'll talk about later on next week.

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Next week.

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But I'll get into it later.

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There was a huge mix up with how my tickets occurred with the theater going experience and last minute.

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There's a checkings and a savings.

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And as a problem with my checking and saying, yeah, it was, it was a, an adventure, but it happened and it was amazing.

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And believe it or not for a fan event, there was like 10 people in the audience.

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You know, it's funny.

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I saw I saw mine on Thursday as well.

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Again, we'll get into more in depth, let everybody, but just to sort of tease what we're to be talking about later.

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I went to the fan event, which is usually just a preview night.

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It's Thursday night.

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I went to my local theater AMC 17 here in Indianapolis and I got this key chain.

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got a Captain America key chain.

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You guys can hear it in the mic.

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was gonna ask you if you wanted one.

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got one as well.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I got one here.

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And then also I got this t-shirt, which Aaron's Aaron's wearing his Captain America t-shirt right now.

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It's just your basic symbol.

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I love that.

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I have one of those as well, but I got this Captain America t-shirt has the obviously the logo on the front and then it has, you know, Sam running towards the person on the back.

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There was so much swag.

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Yeah, there may be reasons for that, Aaron.

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We'll get into it here in just a bit.

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Absolutely.

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don't even know what he means by that.

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So warning also, Chris and I have not talked about this at all, at all, since having seen the movie.

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So I'm excited for that as well.

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Alrighty, let's go ahead get to our news and notes.

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and notes.

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Well, Aaron and I were talking a little bit before we started recording today.

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We haven't done a News and Notes segment in 2025 yet.

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This is our first one.

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So we have to catch up on a little bit of news here.

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A couple of these are maybe a little outdated for everybody, but you'll at least get our hot takes on it.

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You know, that'll kind of lead us into our first bit of news, which is that Fantastic Four First Steps, we got our first teaser, but also we have some potentially AI generated posters.

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Now Marvel Studios revealed the first teaser for Matt Shaquin's Fantastic Four First Steps, which launches in cinemas.

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near you on July 25th.

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Now, Aaron, the teaser looks great.

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We talked a little bit about it on the grid.

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Again, we were off all of January.

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We take every January off each year, but we talked about it pretty in depth over on the grid.

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Is there anything you want to say really quickly about the teaser in terms of like how you felt watching it, all the things?

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Well, again, think it looks pardon the the I guess pun intended.

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looks fantastic.

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I'm Did you see Miles Teller say the same thing on the red carpet yesterday for the gorge?

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He said, I wish them well, I know Pedro and the trailer looks fantastic.

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And I don't know if he meant to make a pun like you just did, but it was obviously, cause he was Mr.

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Fantastic.

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Exactly, exactly.

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Which, know, speaking of, I'm excited to see, you know, the gorge.

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But I'm ready to gorge myself on some movies this season.

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But the trailer itself, and I've said this many times already, the trailer itself looks amazing.

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The movie itself looks amazing.

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The aesthetic of like the, you know, the era that it's in, the very retro, futuristic technology look, know, Reed Richards, know, kind of a man, a mind out of his own time.

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You know, it's I'm excited to see and not to reveal or go forward too much, but I'm curious about what the plans are with like post credit scenes and such.

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Yeah.

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That's that's a good point.

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You know, the thing looks good.

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Really happy with the way Ben is looking.

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All the noises.

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We talked about a little bit on the grid, but I will say that like and I'll reiterate here is that he doesn't sound like Ben.

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He doesn't have that yonkers sort of, hey, you guys come down to back to building that whole thing.

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So that that is sort of like a slight peeve, but I'm not annoyed by it.

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It's just sort of like I wish he had that as well.

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Right.

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Obviously, Kirby, Kirby.

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Was it Kirby?

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No, no, it's Herbie.

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Herbie.

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Herbie.

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Herbie looks good.

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Fully loaded.

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Her.

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Everything looks good.

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I'm very, very impressed with all of this excited.

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Galactus looks good from behind.

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We haven't seen his face yet, but the back of his head looks great.

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You're per.

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Got a great ass that.

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Galactus.

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Galactus.

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But I think what's more interesting, I don't think.

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she asked.

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Yeah, it's not a hot take that everyone really likes the trailer.

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I haven't heard anybody say that the trailer doesn't look good, but I think.

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the thing that people are really talking about the thing, the thing that people are talking about here is the posters, which I will say just on the surface all look pretty bad in my opinion.

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what thoughts on that?

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Do you think they look good in any capacity, whether they're AI or not?

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think that the theme is spot on.

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I don't think that they were executed the way that they should have been.

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think that this was, again, Chris, as a Fantastic Four fan, as a Dr.

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Doom fan, as a, just a Fantastic Four franchise fan, do you not wish that after so much time and so much wasted effort that they had put more effort into this because of how important the First Family is to the MCU?

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Yeah, you know, it's funny as you sort of spoke on it there.

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My two favorite characters in Marvel are two sort of Fantastic Four adjacent characters, my favorite villain or some might say antihero, Dr.

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Doom.

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And then my favorite hero, just outright hero is Norin Rad Silver Surfer.

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So both of those characters obviously premiered in Fantastic Four.

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They're obviously often attributed to that team and the first family.

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And I just love the Fantastic Four in general.

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I'm a big fan of the team, you know, front to back.

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And I think, again, if we're talking about What's most important here?

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Of course, the movie is what's most important and watching the trailer for the first time on the big screen right before Brave New World.

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It looked great.

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And you saw yours in IMAX.

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I obviously saw mine in IMAX as well.

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They had the intro was a fantastic for themed.

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Yeah.

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So you got this.

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Yep.

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OK.

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Which looked great.

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Like it was a little like staticky from my end, but I thought maybe that might have been a functionality of the theater I was in and not the actual teaser.

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dumb people that were late to the movie.

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So there's like a whole group, just large, massive amount of people coming in last minute.

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So it was very distracting from the countdown, which I really was excited to it.

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And that's, that's what Marvel used to be.

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Marvel movies used to be an event and you used to be excited to see all the different changes, all the different, like all these different things that occur, slight variations, whether it was the Marvel intro and how they changed that, whether it was the music.

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or like the franchises that were shown in there, or things as simple as a countdown in an IMAX theater.

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Like you were excited about this and it was very distracting to have people coming in.

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that right there is a good sign when you walk into a Marvel film and you have that excitement from sitting down and going forward.

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You know what mean?

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absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And we do get a variation on that opening in Brave New World.

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We'll talk about it here in just a bit.

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But to go back to Fantastic Four, everything looks great except for these posters and Marvel.

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They came out and said Marvel spokesman confirmed with the rap that AI was not used in the creation of these posters.

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This wouldn't be the first time, however, that Disney and Marvel Studios have experimented with AI.

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As we know, in 2023, the company used AI to produce the opening credit sequence for Disney Plus's Secret Invasion, which honestly could have been made completely AI by itself because it's very, very bad.

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Now, in terms of like Fantastic Four, again, I'm going to tie this all together.

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I have eyeballs, Aaron.

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I don't know if you know this or not, but I have it's confirmed.

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I have two eyeballs, functioning eyeballs that work.

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I'm wearing glasses currently, but they work with or without glasses.

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This is AI.

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You can not tell me this is not AI in some capacity.

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I'm going to go across the board, all four posters, but specifically there's a poster that has a crowd of people and they're all holding up you know, fantastic for posters and flags and they're holding up old cameras, old Canon cameras and all the things.

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There's confetti.

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It is AI.

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There's again, you can just not, you cannot convince me that mid journey was not used in some capacity with this poster.

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So in terms of your original question, I'm going to go all the way back.

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Do I wish that they use more quality with the first family?

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I think that they are in terms of the movie, in terms of the marketing, there's a lot riding on this.

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I think I should say that as well.

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Like If Fantastic Four doesn't work, this is the last movie before we get Doom War or Doomsday.

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Actually, I think is what it's being called.

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Doomsday.

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So what we need, what Marvel needs, we don't need anything.

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What Marvel needs is this to work.

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If we're going to get into what Captain America was, what Thunderbolts could eventually become later this year in May.

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Only a couple of months away, actually.

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But what Fantastic Four really needs to work, because what we've gotten thus far from the Fantastic Four and live action has been mediocre to bad.

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across the board every single time they've tried to bring this team and this property to live action, it has ended terribly in some capacity or another.

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So they need this to work because a lot of what hinders on the success of Doomsday and eventually Secret Wars down the road is this team.

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And I think what I've seen on screen thus far looks good.

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But when I see marketing tactics like this where they're using AI, it's not a good sign.

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There's corners being cut, I think is.

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my main takeaway and that's not good because if you want this thing to work, you got to get people on board top to bottom.

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And Marvel used to believe in that, know, like the posters, the trailers, we all used to get really excited for these trailers and posters and such.

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And I woke up early to see this premiere on Good Morning America, 7 a.m.

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and they waited an hour, Aaron, to actually post the trailer.

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was an hour of just Pedro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby and Iban Mat Baqarak and Joseph Quinn talking to the crowd like, giving the most PR.

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just so excited to be part of this franchise and Marvel's good morning.

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America fucking outside in like Times Square bullshit.

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Yeah, it's just milk toast dumb bullshit.

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OK.

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And I just we don't need any of that.

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So again, this is my I spoke enough about it.

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Is there anything we all seem to say about this?

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Like I think we both agree that this is a and it looks bad, at least to you like to a degree.

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Yeah, there's no excuse for this because check out the show notes and you will see a graphic that points out nine, at least nine issues.

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Feel free to let us know if you see more in this because it's, when you get to this point statistically, this is not even that big of a poster, but to have nine plus things that are, even if they were just borderline AI, there's too many examples to not be.

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And then again, you go into like with a problem with it even being presumptuously.

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Yeah, like the problem is not that it's AI or not, although there is a problem with that.

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I think that's our problem.

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Yes.

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But I think the overall problem is that if it even, you know, mirrors AI or is like subject to be accused to be AI, that's a problem because that means that it looks like broad bullshit.

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It does not take.

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Listen, I've done focus groups.

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I've been in focus groups.

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It does not take very long to put a an image in front of a person and say, does this look like a I?

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Yeah.

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Oh, OK.

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Here's your 10 bucks.

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See you later.

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You know, like that's it.

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You know.

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Right.

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Right.

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All Well, let's get into our next bit of news here.

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A little bit of good news, I guess, from the nerd world.

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I'm excited about this one so much because I don't know what it is recently, but there's been so many good franchises and IPs that have dealt with living in a bunker.

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Walton Goggins offers up an update on Fallout Season Two, and he says it's gonna blow Season One out of the water.

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Can I ask really quickly?

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So I only got about four episodes into season one and I was enjoying it.

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I just you know, sometimes you just fall off of a property, movie, television, whatever.

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And you loved all of season one.

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OK, all right.

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But I'm also.

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I'm also a Fallout fan.

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I don't know how big of a fan you are of the Fallout series.

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I've never played a video game.

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Not one.

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a Fallout video game.

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I've never played any Fallout games, ever.

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Exactly.

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Cause you just said I've never played a video game.

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Not one.

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I know you've played video games in your life.

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So yeah.

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But like that's the thing is you don't have to be a fallout fan to enjoy this.

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But, but there are a lot of things, obviously the brotherhood of steel, you know, like the whole, you know, survivors, the, don't know.

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But anyways, let's get back into what Goggin said.

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He, recently offered an update to deadline saying we're in the middle of filming it right now.

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We've been at it since November.

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And I can tell you that I thought season one was extraordinary.

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Personally, I was very pleased with it.

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This blows it out of the water.

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What these writers have done and the artisans that have come together to tell this story, it's really going to be something.

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I can't wait for people to see it.

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We're working really hard to make that happen.

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Fallout's first season was nominated for 17 prime time Emmy awards, which is insane, including outstanding drama series, outstanding lead actor in a drama series for Goggins.

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And this adaptation success on prime video, it's led to renewed commercial success of the Fallout video games.

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Including the original game and according to Steam charts, which is again amazing it experienced the highest percentage increase in player base at a hundred and sixty percent now this game is already Bethesda like they make amazing video games.

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These games are already popular.

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They're not shitty games They're not ones that people haven't discovered.

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You know what I mean?

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So to have a hundred and sixty percent increase is insane for a series, especially one where much like, so Steam is the company behind games like Half-Life and some of these other ones.

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And those are hugely popular for being decades old.

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The same with the Fallout series.

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Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4, Fallout 76 are decades apart, but they're still loved in the community.

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again, makes perfect sense that this is so popular and it's done so well.

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Like they had to dump a ton of money into this.

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to make it practical, to make it beautiful, make it, you know, like original at the same time, as well as being referential to the actual series itself.

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It's amazing.

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So I highly recommend it.

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If you haven't finished it, go back and finish it.

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Yeah, you know, it's funny as as I was watching those initial episodes, I remember being really impressed with sort of what you're saying here, essentially that, you know, the series didn't rely on knowledge of the video games at all, really, to to get you interested.

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I think Ella Purnell's main she's essentially the main character of the series, I think, as a vault 33 dweller.

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And her story is a a, you know, a tale older than time, just someone that wants to go out and do more, do better.

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And I found that really impressive about the series as far again, me falling off of the series had nothing to do with the quality.

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It was just essentially that as we've talked about many times here on the show, we've got a lot of stuff to watch and ingest in terms of nerd culture.

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It's a good problem to have.

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know, you would if you could go back and talk to, you know, 15 year old Aaron and 15 year old Chris, they would be like, wait, hold on.

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Sorry.

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What?

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There's going to be three Marvel movies a year.

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probably two DC movies a year, you're gonna get multiple television series plus video games like, sorry, what?

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You know, and here we are complaining about it, right?

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Yeah, the one thing I want to say the last thing I want to say about fallout is the fact that thematically It is so fitting the way that it's written and the way that it is Kind of digested by the audience.

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Yeah, because it's the same way that the company Vault Co and like all these companies in the actual show sell the idea of the vaults to people because it's in this like 30s and 40s and 50s kind of era where it's very retro, but they're selling the idea of like vault life and like come live in the vault, have your kids in a safe environment, you know?

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And it's like radio ads and all this stuff and it's all happy go lucky.

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And you know, it's in a time where everybody is smoking cigarettes and you know, it's just, it's so good because the show itself follows that same like theme where you're like, you know, the attitude of the vault dwellers that you're watching are happy go lucky.

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And it just starts to like decline.

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just like the world declined, just like the declination of everybody in the silo itself, in the vault, it just continues to go down.

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it's like, it's just this adventure into like almost hopelessness, but then right back up again.

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So it's such a wild ride.

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again, can't say it enough, recommend, go back, watch Fallout.

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It got renewed for a reason, people.

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Yeah, you it's interesting you saying that it sort of brought up this thought that like propaganda evolves, right?

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Like we can all be fed propaganda and it will sort of bring us a certain amount of hope and optimism.

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But eventually humans, we become privy to being fed propaganda relatively quickly, right?

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Especially in today's world.

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I don't know how I can't speak to what it was like in the fifties and so on because we weren't alive back then.

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But I can tell you from what, you know, modern day perspective was again with the Internet.

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and the way that we communicate with everybody propaganda pretty quickly runs dry.

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And we're to see a common theme not only with that, but also with Captain America, which we'll talk about it during our review.

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Captain America was created as a piece of propaganda and has evolved into something much bigger since then.

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I go go help build a plane wing.

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All right.

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This is sort of a good news, bad news or sorry, bad news, good news.

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Bad news day, everybody in terms of news and that's.

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Bad news sandwich.

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Diamond comic distributors files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

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Now, before I get into this bit, Aaron, I've been pretty vocal about my disdain with Diamond and sort of their spot in comics.

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They are sort of the end all be all in terms of distribution when it comes to comics and.

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I've been like leading the charge when it comes to down with diamond, but I think what's really interesting about this tidbit and why them filing chapter 11 bankruptcy and ostensibly going away at some point, or at least changing in some large capacity, it means a lot more than just like, someone will fill the void.

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That's not necessarily true.

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And I think this altered my perspective of like the direct market in comics quite a bit, and we'll get into it here.

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according to the court filings, the world's largest comic book, direct market distributor Diamond is currently looking for buyers with an auction scheduled on March 24th and is closing no later than April 10th.

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Until then, comics and graphic novel publishers and comic stores even are scrambling to find the least painful way to shift their business to other distributors while bracing themselves for lost income from direct market sales, which are unreturnable.

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Now, to sort of contextualize that, Aaron, I don't know how much you're privy to like the behind the scenes of comic markets is that A lot of the smaller publishers and even some of the big two, they will honor returnable comics.

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So let's say Marvel puts out Venom War number three, right, or whatever, and they order a shit ton of copies of issue one.

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What Diamond will do is go, hey, if you order 60 copies of issue one, 20 of those are guaranteed returnable.

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And then the comic stores can, instead of like just keeping all that back stock at their store, they can return it and get a portion of what they paid for it back.

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So with Diamond going under, this ruins all of that because if you're familiar with chapter 11 bankruptcy and if you've ever been someone who has purchased something from a company that is going under bankruptcy, legally cannot return.

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You can't get a refund during that process.

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I actually had this happen to me last year.

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I ordered a Jen Bartel cover for It was a Spider-Man cover that was going to be signed and CGC graded from a company called, it's like Joe's Comics.

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It was a smaller distributor, like a small comic store, online comic store.

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And they eventually filed chapter 11 bankruptcy.

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And I ordered this in 2018 and it is now 2025.

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Okay.

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So I'm not going to get that comic at any point.

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And I emailed them, I was like, Hey, listen, I know that like, this is probably not going to happen.

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Could I get my money back for ordering this book?

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And they're like, no, unfortunately we filed chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2023.

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We can't give you your money back until this is all settled.

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So my $150 is sort of sitting in limbo right now under this banner of bankruptcy.

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So while Marvel Comics, Boom Studios, Dark Horse, IDW, they've all already made that wholesale switch over to Penguin Random House.

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Actually, Penguin Random House is owned by the same company that Marvel is owned by.

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I think there's like an umbrella underneath Disney.

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And DC Comics and Image Comics, they also have dealings with Ping and Random House, but they have also have a partnership with Lunar Distribution for their single issues.

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So they kind of have their foot in both of the big sort of companies waiting on the back end for Diamond to implode.

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Essentially, there are still a couple of publishers that are exclusive completely to Diamond.

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You've got Dynamite, Distillery, Titan Comics.

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Those are a couple of the sort of larger publishers.

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But I think what's more interesting is that there's a ton.

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of smaller publishers.

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I'm talking like at least a hundred smaller publishers that are still exclusive to Diamond because they are for a long time, they were the only game in town.

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This is what happens when you allow a monopoly to rule an entire industry.

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Cause when they eventually fail, then a large portion of this medium is in flux.

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Now I'm going to stop talking here for a moment.

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I want to let Aaron sort of, are your thoughts here?

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Did you, were you privy to any of this?

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Did you hear about this happening when it eventually happened in January?

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did hear about this.

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I think I was more interested because I saw that there are already negative consequences.

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Like there are publishers going out of business.

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There are comic shops that are going out of business.

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Like what is going on is not good for this.

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It's not good for the comic industry.

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It's not good for small business and it's severely, it's unfortunate man.

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And it's sad, know?

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I know people have been having Issues with diamond for so long like even my local comic shop were telling me.

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well, we didn't get our comics They're two weeks behind like this is like I got people like calling me and yelling at me because we didn't get their books in like that's not your fault that's like that's them like It's it's it's it's sad it's almost like the evil you know is better than the evil that you don't.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And you know, in today's world in 2025, you know, with the political landscape that we're currently living in and just sort of the way that 2025 handles business, you know, it's almost I have this inkling with inside of inside of me that thinks that like whatever replaces diamond is not going to be any better.

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If anything, it's going to be worse.

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It's going to be far worse because.

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Diamond has been doing this since the nineties.

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They've had a monopoly on this industry since the spectator boom of the 1990s with image and even the big two like Marvel and DC.

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They had this big spectator boom with the death of Superman and X-Men, obviously X-Men.

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X-Men number one is the highest selling comic of all time because of the spectator boom.

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People were buying boxes of Chris Claremont and Jim Lee's X-Men number one because they thought they were going to be able to sell it now in 2025 for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Whoops, that didn't happen.

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That book, you can buy that right now for $10 because what people don't realize with collecting is that in order for something to be worth something, it at some point has to be worth nothing.

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Think of, you know, Amazing Fantasy 15 from 1964, first appearance of Spider-Man.

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That book sold for 10 cents and they made a million of them.

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And then people would read them and then throw them in the garbage, you know?

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That's how things become collectible.

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There has to be a finite amount of things to eventually be worth.

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something down the road.

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It's kind of funny.

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don't do you remember the radiant charm collection from Pokemon when we were playing it?

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Like they had like all the EVs that had like all the little like hearts and diamonds.

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sure.

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And remember how those things were like they are fucking everywhere.

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You couldn't open a pack without getting them.

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Yeah.

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The radiant collection was so nauseatingly everywhere.

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And I walked into a card shop the other day and those things now are worth like seventy five bucks a piece.

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Silly.

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Like at one point, you were just like, you're just throwing them away because nobody wanted them because there's so many of them.

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came in every pack and yeah, it's funny.

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It's almost like we'll go to a comic, I guarantee Aaron, we'll go to a card store in 20 years and old like card codes for a platform that probably doesn't even exist anymore will be selling for like 10 bucks because they're a collector's item or something like that, who knows, right?

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But let's get back to Diamond here after the announcement, Image Comics, the third largest publisher of comics in the direct market, they were the first ones to make that move, ending their wholesale relationship with Diamond and canceling all orders only days after the bankruptcy.

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This leaves a lot, again, as we said a moment ago, small publishing companies scrambling on what to do next.

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And we can sit here and talk all day about, we could speculate on what the comic industry is going to do next, but in reality, we're not going to know anything until April 10th when this eventually goes through.

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I've heard that Alliance, which is actually a gaming, like a board game company, they're in talks to possibly buy it, but I can't imagine that they're going to use it for comic distribution.

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They're going to use it for making board games, RPGs, and you know, hero clicks and shit like that.

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It's not going to be comics, right?

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And I would imagine if, you know, if I were a betting man, everybody, would say that lunar and Ping and Random House are going to fight this thing out post April 10th.

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It's just going to be, diamond's going to go away and then get your, get your stocks in Penguin Random House and lunar right now, because both of those, they will split the comic industry in half and then they will handle both.

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And honestly, that might be better, right?

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Because again, biggest problem with diamond was that they were the monopoly.

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They were the only one for the longest time handling this business.

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And it was COVID that made Marvel go to Penguin Random House.

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And then I think it was DC quickly followed them.

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then, you know, Lunar, I'm sorry, Lunar got Image Comics' single issues there.

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And then IDW jumped to Penguin.

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Like it just sort of slowly happened.

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And then this is why we're getting the bankruptcy of Diamond.

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So what I will say sort of at the end of all this, and I just threw a lot at everybody, so I apologize, but there's a lot of unknown here.

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And I think...

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what I can do here I think is the best way to go about this is I'm going to link a really, really interesting article from the Beats, Heidi McDonald in the show notes that she wrote for the Publishers Weekly that goes over this top to bottom.

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And it goes into a lot more detail about smaller publishers and how they're, some of them are like in a very optimistic point, like, they're losing money right now.

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But I think in the long run, this might be good for them in terms of what Diamond was doing to them initially and what.

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they can, that new relationship they can establish in 2025, having all of the success that they've now gained.

00:31:49.877 --> 00:31:52.178
So Aaron, is there anything you want to say about that before we move on?

00:31:52.498 --> 00:31:54.038
You're all good?

00:31:54.817 --> 00:31:55.097
A lot.

00:31:55.097 --> 00:31:56.518
I just need comics, man.

00:31:56.518 --> 00:31:58.365
I need my comics on Wednesday, you know?

00:31:58.365 --> 00:32:01.109
just tired of hearing people bitch about fucking diamonds, so.

00:32:01.109 --> 00:32:01.599
Yeah, I get it.

00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:03.101
And I was the one doing it out.

00:32:03.101 --> 00:32:16.190
I, and again, as I said at the beginning, diamond, they are such a piece of shit, honestly, like they really are shitty, but it really, and honestly, it's a interesting thought of like, again, as I said a moment ago, that the devil, you know, is better than the devil.

00:32:16.190 --> 00:32:25.857
don't, you know, and, and a lot of times what happens when something that you hate fails, something you hate more could come in underneath it.

00:32:25.857 --> 00:32:26.601
that vacuum.

00:32:26.601 --> 00:32:28.419
It's like taking Saddam Hussein out of power.

00:32:28.419 --> 00:32:30.690
Something shittier is going to rise up.

00:32:30.690 --> 00:32:32.695
like taking Joe Biden out of the office.

00:32:33.442 --> 00:32:34.866
All right.

00:32:34.866 --> 00:32:35.728
Anyway.

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Shut up and move on to Captain America Let's get into our conversation about Captain America Brave New World.

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But before we do that, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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So.

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Alrighty, let's get in this conversation about Captain America Brave New World.

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during our little break here, Aaron and people listening to the podcast on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, you won't know this, but if you go over to our YouTube channel, Aaron has changed a tire.

00:33:05.358 --> 00:33:06.910
Aaron, what do you have on now?

00:33:06.988 --> 00:33:08.372
I didn't change a tire.

00:33:08.781 --> 00:33:09.402
What you talking about?

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is this is this is what I've been working No, it's like a tire like a tire Aaron's currently taking pictures as we're taking a selfie because I want to remember this moment that we're about to talk about Captain America, Brave New World.

00:33:24.011 --> 00:33:26.843
I wore my shirt, you know, and I did this specifically.

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I did this specifically because I feel like going back and I've been looking at some of the images and I've been looking at some of the shows that we've done in the past.

00:33:33.894 --> 00:33:39.976
And Chris is always wearing some type of shirt that is very on brand for that episode.

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And like, I feel like I'm letting myself down.

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I feel like I'm letting the team down by not being as on brand as Chris.

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So here I am.

00:33:47.932 --> 00:33:54.574
Even your hat, Chris, you may not have recognized this, but even your hat has like a wing on it, like what goes on the side of Captain America.

00:33:54.574 --> 00:33:56.253
I do wear this hat a lot.

00:33:56.253 --> 00:33:58.453
This is the same blues hat that I wear pretty often.

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But yeah, I get you saying there.

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And again, people, if you haven't gone to our YouTube yet, YouTube dot com forward slash oblivion bar pod, Aaron is currently wearing a Steve Rogers S Captain America helmet.

00:34:11.213 --> 00:34:14.954
This is it looks like possibly Winter Soldier helmet.

00:34:14.954 --> 00:34:15.914
Is that correct?

00:34:15.914 --> 00:34:16.773
Or is it?

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We know, honestly, they all kind of look very similar.

00:34:18.414 --> 00:34:20.733
But to me, it looks most Winter Soldier ask.

00:34:20.733 --> 00:34:22.893
And you also cosplay as Captain America as well.

00:34:22.893 --> 00:34:23.371
Right.

00:34:23.371 --> 00:34:23.742
Yes.

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In my, in my less heavier days, in my pre COVID days, I did dress up as, as a Steve Rogers.

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and, and you know, it's, I've been so excited for this movie for a while.

00:34:35.164 --> 00:34:47.639
This was definitely one of my most anticipated and Chris, as we normally do when we get into these, well, first off, spoilers spoilers, spoilers ahead.

00:34:47.969 --> 00:34:57.958
generally as we do before we start these reviews, We get like a first like first, you know, what's your initial thoughts?

00:34:57.958 --> 00:34:58.217
Yeah.

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Your initial thought.

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I'm asking you, I want you.

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I hated this.

00:35:04.295 --> 00:35:06.079
I you to tell me.

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Yuck is all I'm going to say.

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The initial thoughts are yuck.

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I hated this so much.

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This honestly, this is probably my least favorite Marvel film of all time.

00:35:15.534 --> 00:35:16.831
Are you fucking joking?

00:35:16.831 --> 00:35:20.224
Undoubtedly, 100%, this is bad.

00:35:20.224 --> 00:35:34.070
This is like when people talk about like going to a superhero movie and it being like a roller coaster where it's just colors and lights and there's no substance, it's a hollow Easter egg chocolate shell of nothingness.

00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:34.971
This is what they're talking about.

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They're talking about Captain America Brave New World from 2025 starring Anthony Mackie and Harrison Ford.

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Are you a hundred percent serious right now?

00:35:41.858 --> 00:35:42.985
I feel like you're joking.

00:35:42.985 --> 00:35:44.425
I'm being 100 % serious.

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I hated this more than I've hated.

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I would say that this is only maybe slightly above like a Madame Webb or a Zack Snyder's Justice League.

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It's like barely above those for me.

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I like Craven the Hunter more than I like this movie.

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What are your thoughts?

00:35:59.365 --> 00:36:00.945
You're you seem stunned.

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So I'm going to let you enjoy this movie.

00:36:03.288 --> 00:36:06.324
I am absolutely stunned.

00:36:06.324 --> 00:36:09.902
We have never been more divided on anything, I don't think.

00:36:09.902 --> 00:36:12.581
The flash was an interesting conversation.

00:36:12.981 --> 00:36:14.242
It seemed to have liked it.

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I hated it at that time.

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And here's the thing, everybody.

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I'm going to pass it off to you.

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This movie has gone through a multitude of reshoots and changes.

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COVID.

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This was I think this was being developed in 2019 before COVID.

00:36:29.521 --> 00:36:32.121
You know, the writer's strike from last year.

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There's so many sag-aftra like everything.

00:36:34.762 --> 00:36:37.461
This movie had an onslaught of hurdles to get through.

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So I get that.

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But This needs to be the last one.

00:36:41.748 --> 00:36:47.362
This needs to be the last Marvel going, we didn't have any options.

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This is the best we could do.

00:36:49.130 --> 00:36:50.594
I don't know what you want us to do.

00:36:50.594 --> 00:36:51.936
We did reshoots.

00:36:51.936 --> 00:36:53.228
We gave you a red Hawk.

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Do you see you got him for 10 minutes at the end?

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What do you want from us?

00:36:57.121 --> 00:36:57.715
Aaron, go ahead.

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What are your thoughts?

00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:03.152
I am so in shock right now.

00:37:03.632 --> 00:37:04.952
I loved it.

00:37:05.652 --> 00:37:06.443
I loved it.

00:37:06.443 --> 00:37:10.505
This, this movie, honestly, it gave me everything that I wanted from what I was hoping for.

00:37:10.505 --> 00:37:15.833
Like I'm like, I, I am stunned right now.

00:37:15.833 --> 00:37:19.449
I am absolutely stunned at your reaction to this film.

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And I'm just, I don't even know.

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I have no idea where to go from here.

00:37:24.445 --> 00:37:28.327
Well, a lot of times I'm more this opposite on the conversation.

00:37:28.327 --> 00:37:34.438
obviously usually, you know, gives us an interesting debate or conversation about the movie.

00:37:34.438 --> 00:37:42.650
And I think this movie is so lifeless because again, and we'll talk about it here in just a moment, the multiple writers, this movie had five screenplay writers.

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We had Rob Edwards, Malcolm Spellman, Dallin Musan, director Julius Onan, Peter Glanz.

00:37:48.913 --> 00:37:51.820
I mean, technically we had six, Matthew Orton.

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was also credited as a writer for additional reshoots.

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I mean, anytime that you have more than I would say at the most three writers on a movie, bad things are gonna happen.

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Cause I can see the hard cuts in this movie when something was in the first screenplay and what was eventually added.

00:38:06.467 --> 00:38:16.693
And I'm talking mostly of like Giancarlo Esposito and his inclusion in this movie, how Harrison Ford becomes again, as I said a moment ago, the red Hulk in the last 10 minutes, how a lot of this movie.

00:38:16.693 --> 00:38:18.144
looks really, really bad.

00:38:18.144 --> 00:38:23.438
This is the worst CGI I've seen in a superhero movie in a long, long time.

00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:40.070
I'm talking and I'm talking specifically, I think it can be said a lot about about a lot of the scenes, but specifically the air, the submarine ocean fight by Tiamat about, you know, three fourths the way through the movie is cartoonishly bad.

00:38:40.070 --> 00:38:45.454
I have seen PS4 graphics better than what I saw in that opening and that scene where they're all fighting.

00:38:45.454 --> 00:38:47.934
Now, not to say I didn't enjoy myself, it is pretty action packed.

00:38:47.934 --> 00:38:52.193
And I think like there is part of my lizard brain that still enjoys seeing things like that.

00:38:52.193 --> 00:38:56.134
And that goes along with seeing Red Hawk versus Captain America.

00:38:56.193 --> 00:38:57.974
But there needs to be a quality check.

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And part of me, I got to give credit to the big picture over at the ringer who first brought this to my attention.

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And I sort of agree with it is that this to me, the quality that they gave us with this movie, it makes me think that Disney and Marvel are like prepping us for AI movies, eventually AI television series.

00:39:14.849 --> 00:39:26.016
They are saying, and I think the eventual box office success of this movie will say a lot about how they're gonna react to this, because that's what Hollywood is, they're reactionary.

00:39:26.016 --> 00:39:34.079
If this movie does well, I think, honestly, two to three years, I honestly think that we're gonna start getting AI-generated movies and television series.

00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:35.960
No doubt about it, this is successful.

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That's the way I think about it.

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I mean, I think that there's going be a lot to do with like sag being against that and like the actual industry, like the people behind the industry, because you got to imagine how many people imagine how many people are going to be out of work writers, the animators, the voice actors, the, what are they called?

00:39:55.990 --> 00:40:04.896
The basically the truck drivers that they have like their own like, like, like, I forget what they're called, but they have their own, union.

00:40:04.896 --> 00:40:09.989
So like there's going to be so many people that are going to be against like any kind of major takeover of AI.

00:40:09.989 --> 00:40:18.514
Yes, there's going to be more AI use, but I have to argue with, with you and we can go into and discuss like more of the essential parts of this movie.

00:40:18.514 --> 00:40:29.318
But yes, there were some choppy parts of this, but in my opinion, the way that it was chopped up was rhythmically and the cadence of it worked for me.

00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:29.929
does.

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It was like, there was a lot of chopping, but the cadence and the rhythm of the chops really worked in my favor.

00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:48.570
as far as like the storytelling, because, and I'm gonna say this, like a lot of times, one thing that worried me about this movie, and a lot of times what Disney has done with a lot of their shows and their movies, even DC has done it.

00:40:48.570 --> 00:40:55.375
They've overloaded a plot with too many characters that you're supposed to care about throughout this film.

00:40:55.434 --> 00:41:01.519
And throughout this movie, I did not feel like there were, like the characters, I cared about the characters.

00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.838
I cared about the their motivations.

00:41:05.838 --> 00:41:08.719
And I think that they played into them well.

00:41:09.601 --> 00:41:16.766
The only person I would say I really didn't care about enough was Signwinder, was his character.

00:41:16.766 --> 00:41:22.909
And Giancarlo Esposito.

00:41:22.909 --> 00:41:25.992
I think that he played a great villain.

00:41:25.992 --> 00:41:27.715
don't think they gave him enough context.

00:41:27.715 --> 00:41:29.579
I don't think they gave him enough background.

00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:31.342
How can you even say that he was a great villain?

00:41:31.342 --> 00:41:33.355
He's in the movie for five minutes.

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And all of it is Rishi.

00:41:34.891 --> 00:41:35.927
saying he's a great villain.

00:41:35.927 --> 00:41:36.891
liked his character.

00:41:36.891 --> 00:41:38.538
I'm not saying he's a great villain at all.

00:41:38.538 --> 00:41:40.599
He's not even a could you like him?

00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:41.822
You don't know enough about him.

00:41:41.822 --> 00:41:42.998
All he did was bad things.

00:41:42.998 --> 00:41:49.737
He had no motivation whatsoever in the Because I liked the fact that he had this like fighting style and he was so direct.

00:41:49.737 --> 00:41:57.411
I just liked his, I liked Esposito as this character and he reminded me, you remember back rock from, from civil war.

00:41:57.411 --> 00:42:00.224
want to winter soldier.

00:42:00.224 --> 00:42:01.003
Yeah.

00:42:01.125 --> 00:42:04.507
He was a fun character, even though he was only in it for a few minutes.

00:42:04.507 --> 00:42:09.860
He was a fun character because he had a great moment where he challenged same thing.

00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:14.380
Captain Mary almost cookie cookie, cookie cutter, cookie cutter situation.

00:42:14.380 --> 00:42:21.023
where he challenged Cap, and in this movie, Esposito challenged Cap and was like, are you more than the shield?

00:42:21.023 --> 00:42:26.014
And like, like, again, I loved both of those scenes and both of those movies.

00:42:26.014 --> 00:42:37.820
And I think that they very much set up the same exact fight and the same exact feeling when he had to address, like, are you more than what you are without the shield, without the suit?

00:42:37.820 --> 00:42:41.771
And I think that those fights really gave him some context.

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I think the main difference though is that Giancarlo Esposito is meant to be a major villain in this movie.

00:42:47.282 --> 00:42:52.865
I mean, I think you can make an argument that he is supposed to be the villain, because I don't think it's supposed to be Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross.

00:42:52.865 --> 00:43:00.831
He is just sort of caught in the crossfires of his bad doings and being trying to make, trying to turn a leaf or turn a page in his life.

00:43:00.831 --> 00:43:06.114
And it just so happens that his past comes up to bite him in the ass.

00:43:06.356 --> 00:43:09.420
I think Giancarlo Esposito was supposed to be the bad guy, but...

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if we're going to make a comparison between Batchroft, the Leaper and Sidewinder is that Batchroft was meant to show how Captain America has adjusted to modern day and Winter Soldier.

00:43:17.565 --> 00:43:20.998
We got to think about where Steve Rogers was in the MCU at that time.

00:43:20.998 --> 00:43:23.840
He had just come out of the ice, then Avengers happened.

00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:31.164
And then Winter Soldier is sort of him, you know, coming to modern day and sort of, you know, we even see it like his fighting style.

00:43:31.164 --> 00:43:38.739
Everything that he does has sort of been upgraded to, I think it was like 2014, 2015, whatever the time was that Winter Soldier came out.

00:43:38.849 --> 00:43:43.806
I would argue that Sidewinder did the same thing for Sam Wilson.

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I just, don't agree because the Sidewinder is supposed to be, and at least the movie is telling me that this is supposed to be an important character, but I'm not getting that.

00:43:50.925 --> 00:43:59.550
I can understand you liking the aesthetics of what Sidewinder is and how he challenges Captain America in the very small amount of time that they have on screen together.

00:43:59.550 --> 00:44:06.425
But to compare them would automatically put Sidewinder at a disadvantage because he's supposed to be the big bad in this movie.

00:44:06.425 --> 00:44:08.306
If it's not Sidewinder, who is it?

00:44:08.416 --> 00:44:09.286
It's the leader.

00:44:09.286 --> 00:44:10.726
It's it's Stern.

00:44:11.168 --> 00:44:14.159
is Stern is is Stern is the mastermind.

00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.001
He is literally the mastermind behind everything.

00:44:17.001 --> 00:44:22.643
He is literally manipulating everything from point A to point B.

00:44:22.643 --> 00:44:25.195
He has thought about every single outcome.

00:44:25.195 --> 00:44:26.425
Now, again, we're getting into spoilers.

00:44:26.425 --> 00:44:29.228
We haven't even talked the summary of this movie yet.

00:44:29.228 --> 00:44:31.764
gave a spoiler warning if you guys already here.

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please.

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Okay, so Captain America Brave New World follows Sam Wilson as he takes on the high stakes missions involving a global race for a rare new metal discovered on the celestial island Tiamat.

00:44:44.597 --> 00:45:00.896
When an international crisis unfolds, Wilson, his partner, walking Torres and President Thunderbolt Ross, that is Thunderbolt Ross must navigate political intrigue, mind control, conspiracies and hidden enemies, manipulating events from the shadows from the beginning.

00:45:01.684 --> 00:45:15.333
Stern is the bad guy and I have been waiting all of this time for him to finally come out from the Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton and we see that head pulse.

00:45:15.333 --> 00:45:16.623
That's Paulson.

00:45:16.664 --> 00:45:18.625
And you know, like, and that's what I've been waiting for.

00:45:18.625 --> 00:45:26.579
And I was so excited because I think and also let's talk about, I mean, we could talk about it later, but like, I want to talk about how awesome.

00:45:26.623 --> 00:45:29.755
His evolution was into the leader from his character.

00:45:29.755 --> 00:45:33.338
Just the brief moments we see him in the incredible Hulk.

00:45:33.338 --> 00:45:36.179
What 16, 17 years ago.

00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.873
He is just, I mean, we're talking about, we're talking about, what's his name?

00:45:41.873 --> 00:45:42.842
Weasley.

00:45:42.842 --> 00:45:44.083
Weasley senior.

00:45:44.083 --> 00:45:44.744
Okay.

00:45:44.744 --> 00:45:46.699
And how silly he is to this guy.

00:45:46.699 --> 00:45:54.039
And he plays this devious, calm, manipulative, secretive, gamma radiated genius.

00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:55.389
And I loved it.

00:45:55.416 --> 00:46:01.260
Yeah, I mean, Tim Blake Nelson's leader, think is one of the most unoffensive part of this movie.

00:46:01.260 --> 00:46:03.072
I think like his involvement.

00:46:03.072 --> 00:46:05.293
I like the character of leader.

00:46:05.492 --> 00:46:07.103
His his whole shtick of people.

00:46:07.103 --> 00:46:14.599
If you didn't get this from the movie is that he is so smart that he can predict things by probability.

00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.612
Like there's not that's not his only power, but his essential power is just intelligence.

00:46:18.612 --> 00:46:23.626
Like, you know, they say like the Hulk, his power is limitless in strength.

00:46:23.777 --> 00:46:24.929
The leader is the opposite of that.

00:46:24.929 --> 00:46:31.956
He is limitless in his knowledge and we get a little, we don't really need to talk about it in depth because the end credit scene is again, one of the worst in the MCU.

00:46:31.956 --> 00:46:38.391
But what he hints at is that, Hey, there's multiple universes and also there might be X-Men get ready for that.

00:46:38.391 --> 00:46:40.072
Everybody that didn't say that though.

00:46:40.072 --> 00:46:42.485
That's the thing that I hate is that they just say, say the thing.

00:46:42.485 --> 00:46:43.396
Okay.

00:46:43.436 --> 00:46:47.130
Most people don't know what you're talking about here and you, can't be that ambiguous about it.

00:46:47.130 --> 00:46:48.523
You kind of have to be a little bit more.

00:46:48.523 --> 00:46:55.739
was, we can talk about how bad that was like, you know, but yeah, there was the, the, the end credit scene was just like, Hey, there's a multiverse.

00:46:55.739 --> 00:46:57.679
You fucking know that already.

00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:01.342
I mean, and incursions.

00:47:01.342 --> 00:47:03.353
Hello, we're going to be talking about the, hello.

00:47:03.353 --> 00:47:05.244
Hello.

00:47:05.244 --> 00:47:06.746
You know, it's like that.

00:47:06.746 --> 00:47:21.079
I agree with that being terrible, but like, I mean, the other thing was you can't imply X-Men when The rare new metal that they discovered in the celestial, which I'm going to assume is like bone marrow or something is adamantium.

00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:22.072
Yeah, Wolverine.

00:47:22.072 --> 00:47:23.329
Hello, McFly.

00:47:23.329 --> 00:47:23.849
But like that.

00:47:23.849 --> 00:47:27.670
The other thing is like, you know, now we have adamantium, what does that mean?

00:47:27.670 --> 00:47:29.911
And it's stronger than vibranium, apparently.

00:47:29.911 --> 00:47:31.463
In the comics, it's sort of ambiguous.

00:47:31.463 --> 00:47:33.414
We don't know which one is stronger.

00:47:33.813 --> 00:47:45.001
It's definitively, according to Harrison Ford in this movie, stronger than vibranium, which, man, talk about the hit to Wakanda's infrastructure, their infrastructure, to their budgets.

00:47:45.001 --> 00:47:51.565
They just he just tanked all of their all of their their stocks, you know, in terms of world power.

00:47:52.867 --> 00:47:53.527
Fake news.

00:47:53.527 --> 00:47:56.353
It is coming from the president and we're well aware of that.

00:47:56.353 --> 00:47:57.824
So let's just talk about this real quick.

00:47:57.824 --> 00:48:03.713
At San Diego Comic Con later in 2022, the film's title was revealed to be Captain America New World Order.

00:48:03.713 --> 00:48:06.987
And it was given a release date of May 3rd, 2024.

00:48:06.987 --> 00:48:22.293
The subtitle, which is also the name of the first episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, was noted for its use in politics, professional wrestling, and various conspiracy theories, along with anti-Semitic rhetoric, and was deemed to be basically too controversial of a choice.

00:48:22.293 --> 00:48:24.114
So that's why that was changed.

00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:25.853
Real quick, which one do you like better?

00:48:25.853 --> 00:48:28.007
Do you like Brave New World or New World Order?

00:48:28.206 --> 00:48:39.945
I like Brave New World because I think it's it's alluding to the changes of what like of what this new because here's the thing this movie you said was originally supposed to be like a release in like 2019.

00:48:39.945 --> 00:48:59.766
I think you said and developed in 2019 which was closer to the time of the internals, again, we've been waiting years for them to finally revisit the idea of special with this like just groping like virtual nuts out of the Indian Ocean.

00:48:59.766 --> 00:49:03.257
You know, and we haven't revisited it really at all.

00:49:03.257 --> 00:49:20.237
So now we finally have this being like, let's, let's, know, let's address the celestial in the room and brave new world would have been like, okay, now we're really in a brave new world here because there was literally like a celestial with who knows what inside of it coming out of the ocean.

00:49:20.237 --> 00:49:24.838
I just picture Harrison Ford at some point looking at the camera going, now we're in a brave new world.

00:49:24.838 --> 00:49:25.717
You know how they do that in movies?

00:49:25.717 --> 00:49:28.518
Sometimes they just say the title of the movie in the camera.

00:49:28.677 --> 00:49:32.137
I will say that if I were to, I don't like either by the way, I don't like New World Order.

00:49:32.137 --> 00:49:33.557
I don't like Brave New World.

00:49:33.557 --> 00:49:46.677
If I were to give it a subtitle that makes sense based on the plot, I think Captain America Collateral Damage would have been a way better subtitle because we've got collateral damage with the effects of Tiamat and sort of what happened with that whole thing.

00:49:46.677 --> 00:49:49.228
Again, with the Eternals, you've got the leader.

00:49:49.228 --> 00:49:54.130
and sort of his dealings with Thaddeus Ross and him and leader essentially being collateral damage.

00:49:54.130 --> 00:50:00.668
He even says it in the movie that he is collateral damage to Thaddeus sort of surviving at this point in the movie.

00:50:00.668 --> 00:50:04.592
Thunderbolt Ross, he says it in the movie that he's about to die from his heart.

00:50:04.592 --> 00:50:09.396
And the only way that he's able to survive is because of Tim Blake Nelson's, the leader.

00:50:09.396 --> 00:50:16.902
And then obviously I think there could be small ties to the collateral damage of the mantle of Captain America after the events of Endgame and how...

00:50:17.166 --> 00:50:18.525
Where do we go now?

00:50:18.525 --> 00:50:29.706
The world, think, you you can make arguments here, your temperature may vary, but I think the world is better when there's a Captain America and this mantle, you know, the American government tried to make it happen with John Walker.

00:50:29.706 --> 00:50:31.445
Oops, he's a psycho.

00:50:31.445 --> 00:50:32.385
Where do we go now?

00:50:32.385 --> 00:50:33.945
We don't give it to Bucky.

00:50:33.945 --> 00:50:36.286
Also kind of a psycho sometimes.

00:50:36.326 --> 00:50:37.146
Where do we go?

00:50:37.146 --> 00:50:39.534
All right, Sam Wilson's our new Captain America.

00:50:39.534 --> 00:50:44.554
I was going to say something along the lines of you know, Captain America, like family ties.

00:50:44.684 --> 00:50:51.239
Yeah, well, I mean, outside of Betty and Thaddeus, where's the family ties at?

00:50:51.264 --> 00:50:54.815
Well, I look at like, you know, cause family's not always blood.

00:50:56.235 --> 00:50:56.675
Yeah.

00:50:56.675 --> 00:50:57.065
Yeah.

00:50:57.065 --> 00:50:57.516
Thank you.

00:50:57.516 --> 00:50:58.197
So it's like fast.

00:50:58.197 --> 00:51:00.418
You know, it be Captain America, fast and the furious.

00:51:01.777 --> 00:51:13.702
but it's like, I really needed from this movie was them to discuss Isaiah Bradley and his connections to the Captain America mantle, his background.

00:51:13.702 --> 00:51:26.137
And then, and I'm going to tell you this, like the reason I love this so much was because it gave me again, It gave me everything that I wanted from a lot of the discussions that we've had.

00:51:26.137 --> 00:51:32.061
know, the things that I attributed to what I thought a good Captain America film would bring to the screen.

00:51:32.061 --> 00:51:41.146
And that was discussing the racial approach to Captain America, what it means to people of color to have a Black Captain America.

00:51:41.146 --> 00:51:56.769
Like there's the scene, there's so many powerful scenes where there's the first scene where Isaiah Bradley is talking to Sam Wilson over the pool table and he's discussing, how can you stand next to the president that did this to me?

00:51:56.769 --> 00:52:01.472
And Sam Wilson's basically saying, it's bigger than us.

00:52:01.472 --> 00:52:07.454
We held the mantle of Captain America to be better, to bear that weight.

00:52:07.454 --> 00:52:15.224
And then there's this discussion later on in the film between Joaquin Torres and Sam Wilson, where he was saying, you're burdened.

00:52:15.224 --> 00:52:19.978
by this and it's not something like you just, you ask yourself constantly if you're enough.

00:52:19.978 --> 00:52:32.260
And I love the fact, and here's the thing, this is the last movie, this is the last Captain America with Sam Wilson franchise that I want them to discuss and to really lean into the racial aspect of it.

00:52:32.260 --> 00:52:33.311
I think this is enough.

00:52:33.311 --> 00:52:46.902
I think what they've discovered or discussed here and what they've brought to kind of into the limelight here is enough to say like, okay, You are enough as as Sam Wilson, Captain America, because you are not the super soldier.

00:52:47.063 --> 00:52:50.226
And that's and that's actually that brings up a question I have for you, Chris.

00:52:50.266 --> 00:52:54.081
At what point would Sam Wilson have taken the super soldier serum?

00:52:54.081 --> 00:52:58.103
Because I don't remember them bringing this as an option to him.

00:52:58.103 --> 00:52:58.614
he's.

00:52:58.614 --> 00:53:06.251
Yeah, because like the only thing I can think of is maybe Thaddeus Ross offered it to him the same way he offered it to Blomsky.

00:53:06.251 --> 00:53:12.230
Well, you had the the Flag Smashers and Falcon Winter Soldier just willy nilly passing out Super Soldier serum.

00:53:12.230 --> 00:53:12.559
That's.

00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:13.992
Right.

00:53:13.992 --> 00:53:14.233
Got it.

00:53:14.233 --> 00:53:15.463
So, I mean, there was that's right.

00:53:15.463 --> 00:53:16.074
OK.

00:53:16.074 --> 00:53:18.297
guess if you really if you really wanted to.

00:53:18.315 --> 00:53:19.398
OK, I did forget about that.

00:53:19.398 --> 00:53:25.132
And then also, at what point was Bucky Barnes campaigning for a presidential office?

00:53:25.346 --> 00:53:26.097
We'll get into that.

00:53:26.097 --> 00:53:29.228
Let's let's hold off on Bucky and his inclusion in this movie.

00:53:29.309 --> 00:53:38.556
I want to say really quickly, if people haven't read, if you're not familiar with Isaiah Bradley, there's an excellent Marvel mini series from 2003 called Truth, Red, White and Black.

00:53:38.556 --> 00:53:42.949
It's written by Robert Morales and it's penciled by Kyle Baker.

00:53:42.949 --> 00:53:48.152
And this is essentially the backstory of Isaiah Bradley and how he became the original Captain America.

00:53:48.152 --> 00:54:18.632
And I think what it does is it really highlights or at least I think it mirrors the growth and the power of America and how it's always came off the back of disenfranchised and minorities and people who, mean, people can say whatever they want about critical race theory and things like that, but there's no argument to be made that America is not built off the back of African-American people, indigenous people, people that look like me.

00:54:18.632 --> 00:54:21.423
They moved in and said, you know what, that piece of land over there, that looks good.

00:54:21.423 --> 00:54:22.271
Can I have that?

00:54:22.271 --> 00:54:22.961
No?

00:54:22.961 --> 00:54:23.632
Okay, nevermind.

00:54:23.632 --> 00:54:24.003
I'll take it.

00:54:24.003 --> 00:54:24.313
It's fine.

00:54:24.313 --> 00:54:25.963
No, no, no, you go.

00:54:25.963 --> 00:54:27.072
No, you don't want to go?

00:54:27.072 --> 00:54:28.403
Okay, I'm going to take it anyway.

00:54:28.403 --> 00:54:28.764
Whatever.

00:54:28.764 --> 00:54:31.264
You just keep going west until you can't anymore.

00:54:31.264 --> 00:54:36.045
And then you go west, you go south and then, I guess you have like a small patch of land there.

00:54:36.045 --> 00:54:36.885
Yeah, that's fine.

00:54:36.885 --> 00:54:37.326
Right?

00:54:37.326 --> 00:54:45.844
Anyway, point being is that that's a great analogy with Isaiah Bradley, who again, as we found out in Falcon and Winter Soldier is the original Captain America.

00:54:45.844 --> 00:54:46.619
It wasn't Steve Rogers.

00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:47.789
It was Isaiah Bradley.

00:54:47.789 --> 00:54:51.177
So I will say, This is a weird turn here.

00:54:51.177 --> 00:54:56.739
I just feel like it needs to be said that the movie's post, the movie poster features Sam blocking the Red Hulks punch with the shield.

00:54:56.739 --> 00:55:00.740
This is obviously an homage to Captain America 230 from February of 1979.

00:55:00.740 --> 00:55:05.081
This is obviously drawn by Robert Wilson, excuse me, Ron Wilson.

00:55:05.081 --> 00:55:14.244
And I think one of my biggest problems with this movie of the many is sort of the over inclusion of Red Hulk in its promotional material.

00:55:14.244 --> 00:55:15.545
It was in the first trailer.

00:55:15.545 --> 00:55:17.106
He's been on every poster.

00:55:17.106 --> 00:55:26.771
And again, as I said, Now I've said a couple of times now is that we get the Red Hulk in the last 10 minutes, 10 minutes of Red Hulk at the very end of this movie, we end in a fight.

00:55:26.771 --> 00:55:34.507
And what I think this highlights to me is a more overarching problem, which is that, as I said a moment ago, I don't know who the real villain is.

00:55:34.507 --> 00:55:43.916
You can make an argument that it's a leader, but in reality, what I think what is more interesting to discuss is like, what does this movie say interestingly about Captain America?

00:55:43.916 --> 00:55:46.657
know, Winter Soldier, it's about choosing.

00:55:46.657 --> 00:55:52.679
friends over country or like your friends over obligation of duty, right?

00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:58.503
Civil War, it's about a lot of things really, but power entices power.

00:55:58.503 --> 00:56:01.003
I think Visions does it really well there at the Avengers Tower.

00:56:01.003 --> 00:56:08.047
Like all of these movies, the first Captain America, we could talk about that, the Joe Johnson one is about like a man out of time.

00:56:08.047 --> 00:56:10.677
And like, why can't the little guy help, right?

00:56:10.677 --> 00:56:12.088
There's a lot of things.

00:56:12.307 --> 00:56:15.190
What is this movie saying interestingly about Captain America?

00:56:15.190 --> 00:56:18.652
Aaron, do you have anything that you- that you can sort of glom onto from there.

00:56:19.179 --> 00:56:23.994
I mean, again, I think it's it's a I don't want to say it's like a commentary.

00:56:23.994 --> 00:56:26.626
I want to say what this movie is is is saying.

00:56:26.626 --> 00:56:35.043
And again, this is what I took from it was that it takes different people to be able to to like like approach problems.

00:56:35.302 --> 00:56:50.391
And I think that this movie is saying that everybody has a version of what the right answer is, as well as we're all flawed and we can we can either grow from our past or We can let it consume us.

00:56:50.590 --> 00:57:04.860
And I think that that's, that's one of the things that each of these characters is kind of like being like is battling with, you know, you have the leader who was promised like freedom by Ross.

00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:18.278
And that's why his entire goal as, and I'm going to say this as the villain is to bring the light of, of what Ross has done in the past, which was essentially hate and screw everybody over because that's what he did.

00:57:18.278 --> 00:57:21.579
He turned Ross into the one thing that he hated the most.

00:57:21.579 --> 00:57:37.784
He also turned Ross into the one thing that ruined his life because Ross right now is up to this point in the movie or in the series hates himself because the choices that he made tore his family apart, tore his relationship with his daughter.

00:57:37.958 --> 00:57:39.673
It took him took her away from him.

00:57:39.673 --> 00:57:41.945
And they say that very clearly early in the movie.

00:57:41.945 --> 00:57:43.985
And he's trying to find a way back from that.

00:57:43.985 --> 00:57:45.751
He's trying to be a better person.

00:57:45.751 --> 00:57:50.724
But that's a struggle and I don't care how hard you struggle with becoming a better person throughout your life.

00:57:50.724 --> 00:57:52.076
It will be an ongoing.

00:57:52.076 --> 00:57:53.507
It's just like addiction.

00:57:53.527 --> 00:58:03.494
You are addicted to the person that you were and you're always going to potentially go back to it, but you're going to fight and it feels like you're fighting a monster inside to be a better person.

00:58:03.494 --> 00:58:11.929
And I think that that was the intention of Stern as the leader to bring about and again, as he said in the movie, ruin his legacy.

00:58:11.929 --> 00:58:15.860
And I think that again, it's the same with Sam.

00:58:15.860 --> 00:58:24.313
Sam is battling these thoughts of being like the imposter in the Captain America mantle.

00:58:24.313 --> 00:58:28.315
That is not because he doesn't have the super serum.

00:58:28.315 --> 00:58:29.615
He doesn't have the past.

00:58:29.615 --> 00:58:30.505
He doesn't have the chops.

00:58:30.505 --> 00:58:31.465
He doesn't have the experience.

00:58:31.465 --> 00:58:35.657
He doesn't have the power to be what Captain America is supposed to be.

00:58:35.657 --> 00:58:38.139
And it's the same thing with Joaquin Torres.

00:58:38.139 --> 00:58:39.059
Same thing.

00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:42.771
Like they're all trying to be better than where they came from.

00:58:42.771 --> 00:58:45.902
Joaquin's trying to be better than this kid that he was in Miami.

00:58:45.996 --> 00:58:48.748
Sam Wilson's trying to just be better than the Falcon.

00:58:48.748 --> 00:58:54.514
You know, he's and I think that every character right there is fighting for that.

00:58:54.514 --> 00:59:00.498
And again, Samuel Stern as leader wants, he wanted to be free.

00:59:00.498 --> 00:59:07.275
He wanted to be better, but instead he was manipulated and he was experimented on and he was empowered even more.

00:59:07.275 --> 00:59:12.690
And he was basically tortured by Ross and like that's that he's the villain.

00:59:13.530 --> 00:59:16.342
Yeah, I mean, I definitely could see where you're getting a lot of that.

00:59:16.342 --> 00:59:20.483
And it is sort of in a very half-baked way shown throughout the movie.

00:59:20.483 --> 00:59:22.965
But all of that just feels very surface level to me.

00:59:22.965 --> 00:59:30.938
think there's a lot of that could be easily torn back and sort of shown in a way that these are all things that we've already talked about many times in these movies.

00:59:30.938 --> 00:59:36.141
It just seems like we've seen it done better more times in the past, at least from my perspective.

00:59:36.141 --> 00:59:38.784
And it's, I want to just say also the same thing with Isaiah Bradley.

00:59:38.784 --> 00:59:39.463
It's the same thing.

00:59:39.463 --> 00:59:44.588
One of the hardest scenes, like several, several of the hardest scenes to watch.

00:59:44.588 --> 00:59:50.052
We're watching Isaiah Bradley either in jail or being, or being cuffed, you know?

00:59:50.052 --> 00:59:56.336
And I think that that's maybe something that you, I don't, I'm not saying, I'm not trying to be like, like rude or mean.

00:59:56.336 --> 00:59:59.780
I don't know if you can like relate to what he's going through.

00:59:59.780 --> 01:00:10.237
And I'm not even saying that I can relate to what he's going through, but there's that moment where He is, he's being thrown to the ground after the assassination attempt and he's like, just be careful of my suit.

01:00:10.237 --> 01:00:18.443
And I don't know if you put any context into that because all he wanted them to do was be careful with his suit because that's the suit that he spent with.

01:00:18.443 --> 01:00:21.927
He was with his wife in when they went out together, who's passed away.

01:00:21.927 --> 01:00:25.730
So that holds a lot of emotional, you know, context to it.

01:00:25.730 --> 01:00:31.831
And then also he's like, I can't go back because going back means that he, he himself has to relive those.

01:00:31.831 --> 01:00:46.251
those past traumas of him being experimented on and being put in the hole and being treated like, you know, sub human because of this mantle that he that was thrust upon him as Captain America, which I need to make a correction because you said that Isaiah Bradley was the first.

01:00:46.251 --> 01:00:47.393
He was not the first.

01:00:47.393 --> 01:00:50.655
Steve Rogers was still the first Captain America back in World War Two.

01:00:50.655 --> 01:00:55.704
Isaiah Bradley was, I believe, made like Captain America either during like Vietnam or like the Korean War.

01:00:55.704 --> 01:00:56.855
Yeah, I think you're right.

01:00:56.855 --> 01:00:59.016
In the comics, he is the first.

01:00:59.016 --> 01:00:59.336
OK.

01:00:59.336 --> 01:01:00.467
But yeah, I apologize.

01:01:00.467 --> 01:01:00.818
You're right.

01:01:00.818 --> 01:01:12.217
And Falcon Word Soldier, Isaiah Bradley and a troop of other black men were created as like a task force with with like the Super Soldier serum, you know, off brand or what have you.

01:01:12.217 --> 01:01:20.653
And I will say sort of just, you know, Charles, what you're saying there, I can I I may not be able to obviously relate, but I can empathize.

01:01:20.653 --> 01:01:33.222
And I don't think that any of what is shown here with Carl Lumbi and the Isaiah Bradley character or with I mean, we could even go as far as like Thunderbolt Ross and sort of his struggle and Captain America Sam Wilson as his his stroke.

01:01:33.222 --> 01:01:36.043
All these I'm understanding all of the struggles here.

01:01:36.043 --> 01:01:37.744
I'm seeing it Claire's day.

01:01:38.085 --> 01:01:39.556
I'm not blaming any of the actors.

01:01:39.556 --> 01:01:46.028
I think there's not anybody in this movie outside of Shira Haas, which we'll talk about her here in just a moment.

01:01:46.028 --> 01:01:47.530
Her inclusion in this movie.

01:01:48.130 --> 01:01:50.190
Everybody I think is doing.

01:01:50.931 --> 01:01:53.893
You know, I think everybody's doing a fine job in their role.

01:01:54.112 --> 01:02:08.420
I will say that like Again, and we spoke earlier about the reshoots, like there are very clear points in this movie where the camera and the camera work, the way the shot looks, all looks wildly different from the scene next.

01:02:08.420 --> 01:02:13.541
For instance, there are particular scenes like Joaquin Torres on the table.

01:02:13.541 --> 01:02:23.666
And when he after the big fight, that scene where Isaiah Bradley is running through Washington, DC, the scene where Harrison Ford is talking to everybody, talking about adamantium.

01:02:23.713 --> 01:02:25.715
there are certain scenes that look really great.

01:02:25.715 --> 01:02:28.617
And I'm like, wow, what this looks like an actual like thriller.

01:02:28.617 --> 01:02:30.797
It almost looks like it doesn't even look digital.

01:02:30.797 --> 01:02:35.521
looks like almost like, and we'll talk about Julius Onon and sort of his previous directing work.

01:02:35.521 --> 01:02:37.831
It almost looks like 30, 35 millimeter.

01:02:37.831 --> 01:02:39.422
Like it looks really great.

01:02:39.422 --> 01:02:45.065
And then there are other scenes that looks wildly CGI heavy and very like colorful and like in your face.

01:02:45.065 --> 01:02:59.806
And like the, has that really bad blurred background that you often see in these movies where the frontal character, happens with a Anthony Mackie and Giancarlo Esposito when they're talking at that military bunker about three fourths of the way through the movie where they could easily.

01:03:00.985 --> 01:03:07.106
Yeah, another great scene where like, yeah, not great scene, a great example of a scene where it's it's obviously green screen.

01:03:07.106 --> 01:03:08.985
It's like undoubtedly green screen.

01:03:08.985 --> 01:03:10.226
And it's so bad.

01:03:10.226 --> 01:03:11.266
That's what I'm talking about.

01:03:11.266 --> 01:03:12.945
It's the mix mashing.

01:03:12.945 --> 01:03:15.646
It's the Frankenstein of a movie that really bothers me.

01:03:15.646 --> 01:03:21.867
And again, you can say that you empathize with these storylines that I will I will not fight that.

01:03:21.867 --> 01:03:25.108
You know, if that, you resonated with all that more power to you.

01:03:25.108 --> 01:03:31.831
But I think a lot of times what makes a story is, or at least what makes that compelling story is how you tie it all together.

01:03:31.831 --> 01:03:37.791
How you, how, how me, the viewer, the consumer digest that, that content.

01:03:37.791 --> 01:03:38.663
Right.

01:03:38.663 --> 01:03:40.103
And I just don't think that they fed it to me.

01:03:40.103 --> 01:03:45.900
Well, they, they served me a four course meal, but they gave me my dessert first or really, I mean, not even my dessert first.

01:03:45.900 --> 01:03:50.389
They didn't give me any dessert and they gave me all my least favorite foods and it was all cold.

01:03:50.389 --> 01:03:51.952
You know, like it's that kind of thing.

01:03:51.952 --> 01:03:55.197
So let's get into the director here and talk about the director.

01:03:55.438 --> 01:03:57.177
Oh, you.

01:03:58.918 --> 01:04:11.246
So the director is Julius Ona, who directed 2015, The Girl's in Trouble, 2018, The Cloverfield Paradox, 2019's Loose, and then 2024's Bad Genius, which I'm not familiar with Bad Genius.

01:04:11.246 --> 01:04:14.365
I'm not familiar with any of these besides Cloverfield paradox.

01:04:14.545 --> 01:04:20.465
But my understanding is that a lot of his movies are, and again, this comes from secondhand reviews.

01:04:20.465 --> 01:04:23.806
you know, everybody knows that I'm like a big into like movie review podcasts and such.

01:04:23.806 --> 01:04:33.985
I have not seen any of these movies besides Cloverfield paradox, which is pretty bad, but like all the rest of these movies from their sort of view is that like, these are good ideas that are like half baked.

01:04:33.985 --> 01:04:39.726
And you know, again, as we spoke about a moment ago, it kind of feels how that's sort of how I feel about this movie in a certain sense.

01:04:40.014 --> 01:04:50.353
So this is the first digitally shot film for Julius Ona and his previous films were all shot on 35 millimeter, which maybe that was something that he put in there, like you said.

01:04:51.414 --> 01:04:53.445
Budget 180 million.

01:04:53.452 --> 01:04:54.592
Little below the normal, right?

01:04:54.592 --> 01:05:00.288
Like 200, 250 million is usually sort of the ballpark in terms of the budget.

01:05:00.288 --> 01:05:01.047
It's interesting.

01:05:01.047 --> 01:05:02.068
It doesn't.

01:05:02.128 --> 01:05:07.472
I couldn't find anything about reshoots and there are there were three rounds of reshoots with this movie.

01:05:07.472 --> 01:05:15.090
So, you know, they always say like with the budget, you kind of have to like read between the lines and say, well, did it really cost this much?

01:05:15.090 --> 01:05:20.963
And, know, I don't know if this movie costs 180 million dollars with three rounds of reshoots.

01:05:20.963 --> 01:05:22.364
Honestly, that would make a lot of sense to me.

01:05:22.364 --> 01:05:23.385
I'd like, OK.

01:05:23.403 --> 01:05:24.815
Yeah, I can see that.

01:05:24.815 --> 01:05:29.278
But I would imagine this movie is probably closer to like 250 million with reshoots.

01:05:29.358 --> 01:05:31.201
But let's talk about the box office here.

01:05:31.201 --> 01:05:37.777
So Captain America Brave New World has grossed about 12 million dollars domestically and about 90,000 in other territories.

01:05:37.777 --> 01:05:44.552
Kind of a low number for the worldwide for a worldwide total of 12.1 million on preview night.

01:05:44.552 --> 01:05:45.952
So this is only Thursday.

01:05:46.134 --> 01:05:51.237
Brave New World projects to earn somewhere between 86 to 95 million dollars in its opening weekend.

01:05:51.302 --> 01:05:55.706
and more than 100 million across the four day weekend with Valentine's Day and President's Day.

01:05:55.706 --> 01:06:00.159
This would be similar to Captain America, the Winter Soldier at 95 million in its opening weekend.

01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:05.824
So I think if this movie does about a hundred million dollars worldwide, Marvel's going to be pretty happy with that.

01:06:05.824 --> 01:06:07.074
Daisy is going to be pretty happy with that.

01:06:07.074 --> 01:06:15.190
But I could also see this be very similar to like Batman v Superman, where it has a giant opening weekend and then there's a dive, a nose dive.

01:06:15.190 --> 01:06:16.231
Huge fall off.

01:06:16.231 --> 01:06:18.994
And there always is like there always is that second week dive.

01:06:18.994 --> 01:06:20.626
Everybody goes out that first weekend.

01:06:20.626 --> 01:06:22.601
But Word of mouth is very important.

01:06:22.601 --> 01:06:23.472
I'm thinking Barbie.

01:06:23.472 --> 01:06:27.284
I'm thinking, Top Gun Maverick.

01:06:27.284 --> 01:06:31.487
These were all movies that like, they all are actually more recently.

01:06:31.487 --> 01:06:36.822
Elemental was a good example of this where word of mouth sort of prevailed and people got more airs taken off his mask.

01:06:36.822 --> 01:06:39.425
Now it's getting hot.

01:06:39.425 --> 01:06:43.588
That also brings up a good moment with, Anthony Mackie during the press.

01:06:43.588 --> 01:06:52.710
He talked about how the, the, the cowl that he had in Falcon and Winter Soldier, he said, did they take away your white half helmet?

01:06:52.710 --> 01:06:55.943
Because I told them that I was never wearing that shit again, dude.

01:06:55.943 --> 01:06:56.702
That was hard.

01:06:56.702 --> 01:07:00.315
It was with the heat, the sweat, the fogged up glasses.

01:07:00.315 --> 01:07:01.335
It was impossible.

01:07:01.335 --> 01:07:03.085
It just, it was called a cowl.

01:07:03.085 --> 01:07:04.976
It was my worst nightmare.

01:07:04.976 --> 01:07:06.498
You can't do anything.

01:07:06.711 --> 01:07:12.869
He got the Marvel treatment, which is where everybody has like the nanotech helmet, you know, like that's the new thing.

01:07:12.869 --> 01:07:22.960
Even see like Ghost, I think Ghost has it in Thunderbolts, like people who just like, they just record their scenes normally and then they CGI the helmet go over the head.

01:07:23.085 --> 01:07:24.726
Kind of like that.

01:07:25.346 --> 01:07:33.643
There's the guy that he did like a fan version of the Deadpool versus Wolverine initial fight scene and he added Wolverine's cowl.

01:07:33.643 --> 01:07:34.034
Yeah.

01:07:34.034 --> 01:07:34.956
Yeah.

01:07:35.038 --> 01:07:36.389
I don't really have a stance on that.

01:07:36.389 --> 01:07:40.327
Do you in terms of like real cow, not not real cow.

01:07:41.010 --> 01:07:42.186
I mean, Iron Man looks good.

01:07:42.186 --> 01:07:43.230
like the helmet.

01:07:43.230 --> 01:07:45.748
didn't like the flight helmet in this movie.

01:07:45.815 --> 01:07:46.237
you didn't?

01:07:46.237 --> 01:07:46.954
Okay.

01:07:46.954 --> 01:07:47.722
didn't like that.

01:07:47.722 --> 01:07:48.865
He covered his face.

01:07:48.865 --> 01:07:50.900
Yeah, well, it was like, so I went to the movie theater.

01:07:50.900 --> 01:07:56.838
I told you, like, I got the Captain America shield and the guy came out and he had the helmet popcorn bucket as well.

01:07:56.838 --> 01:07:57.742
And I'm like, no, I'm good.

01:07:57.742 --> 01:07:58.902
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:58.902 --> 01:08:02.101
I saw that at AMC and yeah.

01:08:02.202 --> 01:08:03.541
Runtime hour and 58 minutes.

01:08:03.541 --> 01:08:06.282
Now I will say again, I did not have a good time with this movie.

01:08:06.282 --> 01:08:08.001
However, it was pretty breezy.

01:08:08.001 --> 01:08:11.422
This movie feels pretty tight in terms of like, it's a lot of action.

01:08:11.422 --> 01:08:13.041
It sort of moves quickly.

01:08:13.041 --> 01:08:14.601
There's not a lot of downtime.

01:08:14.601 --> 01:08:16.381
I can't remember one time in the movie.

01:08:16.381 --> 01:08:17.601
Actually, I will say this.

01:08:17.601 --> 01:08:21.442
I did go to the bathroom at one point in this movie and it was when Bucky showed up.

01:08:21.442 --> 01:08:23.362
Weirdly enough, I just couldn't handle at that point.

01:08:23.362 --> 01:08:26.605
And I knew that we were getting to the third act and I wanted to be there for that.

01:08:26.605 --> 01:08:29.365
So, and this is like post the air fight on the ship.

01:08:29.365 --> 01:08:35.645
And at this point I'm super annoyed and I'm like, okay, I get it, but he's here and he's going to tell him that he's Captain America for a reason.

01:08:35.645 --> 01:08:37.365
Steve gave him the shield.

01:08:37.365 --> 01:08:38.426
Is that what he said, Aaron?

01:08:38.426 --> 01:08:39.826
Is that what he said in the moment?

01:08:39.826 --> 01:08:40.185
Yeah.

01:08:40.185 --> 01:08:40.985
Okay, cool.

01:08:40.985 --> 01:08:41.305
I see.

01:08:41.305 --> 01:08:43.145
knew, I already knew what was going to happen.

01:08:43.145 --> 01:08:45.189
So I went to the bathroom, came back.

01:08:45.264 --> 01:08:50.807
was still a good scene because his speech was like emotional and then they made a joke out of it, which they've always had this like jokey...

01:08:50.807 --> 01:08:52.158
I hate that.

01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:53.100
What?

01:08:53.100 --> 01:08:53.859
It's not my.

01:08:53.859 --> 01:08:58.368
I mean, I'm not just, you know, I'm not just saying this about this movie, but I hate that Marvel does that.

01:08:58.368 --> 01:09:02.814
They ruin every sentimental scene with a joke like everyone's some kind of quit machine.

01:09:02.814 --> 01:09:04.525
Tony Stark, whatever.

01:09:04.525 --> 01:09:08.396
That's their, that's their, their like relationship.

01:09:08.396 --> 01:09:17.250
Do you remember like back in the day, like the first time we see them together, it's Sam Wilson and it's Bucky Barnes in the, in the, the inside of the car when he's talking.

01:09:18.109 --> 01:09:18.449
Yeah.

01:09:18.449 --> 01:09:19.037
And he's like, yeah.

01:09:19.037 --> 01:09:21.400
And like, they have this like quipping back and forth.

01:09:21.400 --> 01:09:22.730
It's like banter.

01:09:24.011 --> 01:09:25.652
Can you move your seat up?

01:09:25.652 --> 01:09:26.552
No.

01:09:26.872 --> 01:09:27.632
That's their shtick.

01:09:27.632 --> 01:09:28.712
Yeah, exactly.

01:09:28.712 --> 01:09:29.514
That's their shtick.

01:09:29.514 --> 01:09:30.818
So it works for them.

01:09:30.818 --> 01:09:31.658
Yeah, yeah.

01:09:31.658 --> 01:09:33.729
Yeah, I definitely, and I liked them together.

01:09:33.729 --> 01:09:38.965
Honestly, I would have loved to have seen Bucky in this movie, but we're going to see him in two months in the Thunderbolts.

01:09:38.965 --> 01:09:41.087
So it was cool seeing him.

01:09:41.087 --> 01:09:41.846
It made sense.

01:09:41.846 --> 01:09:45.278
I was actually going to be slightly disappointed if he wasn't in this movie somewhere.

01:09:45.278 --> 01:09:51.694
I do like that they never really, they bring up Steve Rogers one, I guess twice this, in this scene here with Bucky.

01:09:51.694 --> 01:09:59.862
And then obviously Ross says you're not Steve Rogers or whatever in the movie, but like the exclusion of Steve.

01:09:59.872 --> 01:10:04.042
I thought was very appropriate because we need to move on, right?

01:10:04.042 --> 01:10:12.506
I think we can all agree that Chris Evans was incredible as the character and he had a good run and we're gonna see him again in Secret Wars doing something.

01:10:12.506 --> 01:10:16.627
It's already been confirmed everybody, sorry to burst your bubble, but Chris Evans will be back.

01:10:16.627 --> 01:10:20.429
But I like Anthony Mackay as Sam Wilson as Captain America.

01:10:20.429 --> 01:10:22.599
I want this character to be Captain America.

01:10:22.599 --> 01:10:23.789
I think he's earned it.

01:10:23.789 --> 01:10:25.439
I like him in the role.

01:10:25.485 --> 01:10:28.807
There was at no point in this movie with all my issues of this movie.

01:10:28.807 --> 01:10:41.132
It was never that Sam Wilson was Captain America and sort of his, his, there was a little bit of hoity toity like, Ooh, there's the real black Captain America, know, like, he's like Patton military folk on the back at the bar and all that.

01:10:41.132 --> 01:10:44.555
Like that's all like very campy bullshit, but I, you know, I get it.

01:10:44.555 --> 01:10:52.587
Like you kind of have to establish to modern audiences, the movie goers, people not like you and I air and people that listen to the show that this is Captain America now.

01:10:52.587 --> 01:10:52.960
Right.

01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:53.993
We've already accepted it.

01:10:53.993 --> 01:10:55.547
We've got to get other people on board.

01:10:55.547 --> 01:10:56.220
So I get it.

01:10:56.220 --> 01:10:56.953
Right.

01:10:56.953 --> 01:11:00.376
So my problem has never lied within that sort of realm.

01:11:00.376 --> 01:11:00.766
Good.

01:11:00.766 --> 01:11:02.048
Don't be racist.

01:11:02.130 --> 01:11:05.719
the cast of this film, not my cash.

01:11:05.719 --> 01:11:08.554
I'm Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson, captain.

01:11:08.554 --> 01:11:09.814
Real quick, real quick.

01:11:09.814 --> 01:11:10.916
I want to talk about the composer.

01:11:10.916 --> 01:11:15.934
because and we don't often talk about composers in movies unless they're really good.

01:11:15.934 --> 01:11:20.001
This is is a moment where I hated this.

01:11:20.082 --> 01:11:23.993
the the background music was so bad.

01:11:23.993 --> 01:11:27.667
It felt so plug and play like it didn't.

01:11:27.667 --> 01:11:30.167
Oftentimes it didn't even match the moment.

01:11:30.167 --> 01:11:31.139
Did you feel that at all?

01:11:31.139 --> 01:11:33.600
Or am I am I by myself in this?

01:11:33.761 --> 01:11:35.386
You're by yourself in a lot of this, man.

01:11:35.386 --> 01:11:36.268
Okay.

01:11:36.430 --> 01:11:39.117
Did you, did you, did you have an argument with somebody?

01:11:39.117 --> 01:11:39.427
No.

01:11:39.427 --> 01:11:40.939
bad food where you're not feeling?

01:11:40.939 --> 01:11:42.842
mean, it's not been a great it's not great right now.

01:11:42.842 --> 01:11:44.784
Life is well as shit wall to wall right now.

01:11:44.784 --> 01:11:47.979
But no, I went to this movie with a complete open heart.

01:11:47.979 --> 01:11:50.001
I didn't feel good about it going into it.

01:11:50.001 --> 01:11:51.963
Like we've talked about it many times.

01:11:51.963 --> 01:11:54.827
Like we were at like a six to seven excitement level wise.

01:11:54.827 --> 01:11:55.117
Yeah.

01:11:55.117 --> 01:11:57.742
And Captain America is both of one of our favorite characters.

01:11:57.742 --> 01:12:06.887
I just ask because, you know, we've talked, we've discussed the fact that sometimes walking into a movie in a specific mood can affect our outcome.

01:12:06.887 --> 01:12:10.859
mean, is it, is it that you're just secretly racist and you do the same Wilson?

01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:12.041
Anthony Mackie, is that what it is?

01:12:12.041 --> 01:12:12.938
Like not again.

01:12:12.938 --> 01:12:13.359
be it.

01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:14.730
might just be secretly racist.

01:12:14.730 --> 01:12:17.234
I think I kind of hate you a little bit.

01:12:17.234 --> 01:12:17.755
I don't know.

01:12:17.755 --> 01:12:18.699
Like I'm sorry.

01:12:18.699 --> 01:12:21.658
You know, it would make sense while you're arguing so much with me right now.

01:12:21.902 --> 01:12:27.743
I just think that I'm better and it's because of my white, it's the pigment of my skin tone, my Caucasian-ness.

01:12:27.743 --> 01:12:29.039
Yeah, you know.

01:12:30.198 --> 01:12:32.710
I'm just like naturally smarter, better at everything.

01:12:32.710 --> 01:12:33.579
Right.

01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.440
My blonde hair, green eyedness.

01:12:37.502 --> 01:12:38.122
Please listen.

01:12:38.122 --> 01:12:41.284
Here's my problem is that Captain America, Aryan, he should always be Aryan.

01:12:41.284 --> 01:12:41.564
Right.

01:12:41.564 --> 01:12:47.998
Like that's I think that's the argument that a lot of intelligent people, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, like these people are making these really smart people.

01:12:47.998 --> 01:12:48.219
Right.

01:12:48.219 --> 01:12:53.771
People don't let this do not clip this all sarcasm, all sarcasm.

01:12:53.771 --> 01:12:55.694
I know that is so not it.

01:12:55.694 --> 01:12:56.555
But yeah.

01:12:56.555 --> 01:12:58.048
Don't believe this racist fuck.

01:12:58.048 --> 01:12:58.859
Okay.

01:12:58.859 --> 01:13:03.322
My point being is that Laura Cartman, the composer, she did Lovecraft Country, Ms.

01:13:03.322 --> 01:13:06.092
Marvel, The Marvels and American Fiction.

01:13:06.313 --> 01:13:07.373
Good stuff.

01:13:07.373 --> 01:13:09.493
know, American Fiction, like that movie.

01:13:11.114 --> 01:13:13.296
Yeah, Lovecraft Country.

01:13:13.355 --> 01:13:14.315
Good.

01:13:14.355 --> 01:13:16.407
You know, I had really don't have an opinion about Ms.

01:13:16.407 --> 01:13:18.837
Marvel or the Marvels, but like, I don't know.

01:13:18.837 --> 01:13:21.838
just, I remember very vividly thinking during this movie.

01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:29.064
I think it was when we're in the Captain America office, wherever this might be with Sam Wilson.

01:13:29.064 --> 01:13:33.703
It was like the star symbol in the window.

01:13:33.703 --> 01:13:35.662
Like they both have their desk.

01:13:35.662 --> 01:13:40.021
sitting there at like a shitty death like cubicles kind of and like they're right next to each other.

01:13:40.021 --> 01:13:41.326
It's like don't look at my screen.

01:13:41.326 --> 01:13:45.305
have their uniforms and like a glass case like, Yeah.

01:13:45.305 --> 01:13:46.365
The background.

01:13:46.365 --> 01:13:47.246
was like, Oh, this is bad.

01:13:47.246 --> 01:13:50.466
Or even like when they're in the gym with Isaiah Bradley, like, I don't know.

01:13:50.466 --> 01:13:51.466
Point being anyway, sorry.

01:13:51.466 --> 01:13:52.145
Going to the cast.

01:13:52.145 --> 01:13:52.706
This is important.

01:13:52.706 --> 01:13:53.837
We should talk about this.

01:13:53.837 --> 01:13:54.439
Okay.

01:13:54.439 --> 01:14:06.211
Anthony Mackie is Sam Wilson, Captain America, Harrison Ford as Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, which it's funny because the night before we watched this, obviously as FX does, because FX is a fucking MCU slut.

01:14:07.863 --> 01:14:09.661
You showed incredible Hawking.

01:14:10.094 --> 01:14:13.453
That's exactly what came on TV was, was incredible Hulk.

01:14:13.453 --> 01:14:15.054
was Iron Man, the incredible Hulk.

01:14:15.054 --> 01:14:17.713
And I want to say like civil war right before the incredible Hulk.

01:14:17.713 --> 01:14:25.934
So it was like, yeah, we're watching all this stuff and it's, uh, know, I was seeing Thaddeus Ross who was playing, forget who played the William hurt.

01:14:25.934 --> 01:14:27.594
He, I think he passed away.

01:14:28.213 --> 01:14:29.073
Yeah.

01:14:29.134 --> 01:14:33.734
Um, so it was funny cause I was explaining to, to, you know, Carly, I was like, this is, this is Thunderbolt Ross.

01:14:33.734 --> 01:14:36.490
This is who's going to be Harrison Ford, red Hulk.

01:14:36.490 --> 01:14:41.601
you got Danny Ramirez as Joaquin Torres Falcon, who I thought was, you know, did really well.

01:14:41.663 --> 01:14:42.416
Shira Haas.

01:14:42.416 --> 01:14:45.578
Well, let's talk about her because Let's take a break and talk about her really.

01:14:45.578 --> 01:14:46.134
Shall we?

01:14:46.134 --> 01:14:46.536
Shall we?

01:14:46.536 --> 01:14:47.238
Shall I think?

01:14:47.238 --> 01:14:47.445
Yeah.

01:14:47.445 --> 01:14:47.988
Shall we?

01:14:47.988 --> 01:14:49.739
What the fuck is this casting?

01:14:49.739 --> 01:14:50.890
What is this?

01:14:50.890 --> 01:14:51.452
Okay.

01:14:51.452 --> 01:14:54.184
I think the most glaring thing firstly, and Aaron, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

01:14:54.184 --> 01:14:57.777
When they're walking away from the facility where leader is.

01:14:57.777 --> 01:14:58.146
Yes.

01:14:58.146 --> 01:15:08.347
And the absolute insane physique difference between even Anthony Mackay, who's not like, he's not Chris Hemsworth, know, he's not, he's not even Chris, no offense.

01:15:08.347 --> 01:15:12.488
Like in terms of like stature, Chris, Chris Evans, like he's a normal looking guy.

01:15:12.488 --> 01:15:14.189
Shira Haas is like 4'11".

01:15:14.189 --> 01:15:15.001
What is going on?

01:15:15.001 --> 01:15:18.234
How is she imposing in any capacity?

01:15:18.993 --> 01:15:21.244
I know that, you know, strength comes in all sizes.

01:15:21.244 --> 01:15:25.037
I know that technique comes in all physiques.

01:15:25.037 --> 01:15:28.559
I know that there's so many different ways that fighting can be fighting.

01:15:28.559 --> 01:15:45.582
But when you're talking about somebody fighting multiple armed, armored soldiers and security forces, I'm sorry, but I do not see Shira Haas's character, Shira Haas period, being effective in that fight.

01:15:45.582 --> 01:15:46.354
Correct.

01:15:46.673 --> 01:15:54.881
And, you know, despite her having like a taze baton and whatever, it just did not, that was a little bit too beyond belief in my opinion.

01:15:54.881 --> 01:16:00.204
Again, I understand that she, she was a widow or an ex widow, which that's fine.

01:16:00.204 --> 01:16:01.085
Reconnaissance.

01:16:01.085 --> 01:16:05.378
Like somebody who's doing recon recon who's stealth, who's a sniper or something like that.

01:16:05.378 --> 01:16:06.059
That makes sense.

01:16:06.059 --> 01:16:07.530
They can be small frame.

01:16:07.530 --> 01:16:11.552
She's like tinier than a a jockey at a fucking horse race.

01:16:12.054 --> 01:16:18.265
I don't know how effective she would be in a face-to-face, hand-to-hand combat type situation.

01:16:18.265 --> 01:16:22.673
And again, I apologize if that's some kind of wrong feeling.

01:16:22.673 --> 01:16:24.747
It just did not work for me.

01:16:24.747 --> 01:16:26.248
It makes sense, right?

01:16:26.248 --> 01:16:27.319
It's an optics thing.

01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:32.685
we should, but as, as audience members, we let a lot of reality go out the window.

01:16:32.685 --> 01:16:42.112
We can be convinced that thing, like I can be convinced that this man has wings and can fly and throw a shield and it just magically bounces back to him.

01:16:42.112 --> 01:16:42.802
my God.

01:16:42.802 --> 01:16:43.783
want to just say real quick.

01:16:43.783 --> 01:16:45.086
You addressed earlier.

01:16:45.086 --> 01:16:51.693
I know we're jumping around a lot, but you addressed earlier at the, the, the, the fighter scene, like the flying scene around Tiamat.

01:16:51.693 --> 01:16:51.953
Yeah.

01:16:51.953 --> 01:16:52.623
I it's called, right?

01:16:52.623 --> 01:16:53.064
Yeah.

01:16:53.064 --> 01:17:00.061
There's this, there's this move that, that Sam Wilson does where he like spins in the air just to do like a complete one 80.

01:17:00.061 --> 01:17:03.618
And you cannot tell me that was not one of the most bad-ass things you've seen.

01:17:03.618 --> 01:17:08.921
Listen, I'm not going to say that everything in this, in that scene specifically is horrific.

01:17:08.921 --> 01:17:10.101
I'm just saying it looked bad.

01:17:10.101 --> 01:17:19.548
I think the, the sort of concept and what they were doing, I thought was really cool, but at no point did I think, and again, it's CG, it's always CGI.

01:17:19.548 --> 01:17:23.310
It's you're not telling me anything I don't know, but like at least make an effort.

01:17:23.310 --> 01:17:29.005
The, the just Sam and Joaquin, they looked bad in terms of like CGI in that moment.

01:17:29.005 --> 01:17:30.735
That's what was my biggest problem.

01:17:30.917 --> 01:17:32.117
I want to go really quickly though.

01:17:32.117 --> 01:17:35.246
And I think It's not, I don't know.

01:17:35.246 --> 01:17:37.710
You're trying to skip all the negative things you're saying about all this.

01:17:37.710 --> 01:17:49.250
I just don't know if we should completely omit the inclusion of, know, so Sabra in this, she was supposed to be Sabra in this movie, which is an Israeli character in the comics.

01:17:49.250 --> 01:17:52.390
And that was what she was going to be initially in the first draft of this movie.

01:17:52.390 --> 01:18:00.489
And of course, due to the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip in 2023 and has been an ongoing conflict.

01:18:00.489 --> 01:18:08.315
Even today, you've got fucking Trump saying that he wants to turn it into a like a strip, a resort strip.

01:18:08.395 --> 01:18:09.256
It's bad everybody.

01:18:09.256 --> 01:18:10.226
It's a lot of bad stuff.

01:18:10.226 --> 01:18:20.425
But I think the main issue with a lot of people is that Shira voluntarily fought in the Israeli army at one point, or did she was a volunteer in the defense at some point.

01:18:20.425 --> 01:18:21.536
I don't know all the details.

01:18:21.536 --> 01:18:23.006
I probably should know more about it.

01:18:23.006 --> 01:18:27.109
But this character, think just wall to wall was a bad idea.

01:18:27.390 --> 01:18:29.731
There really was no upside to any of this.

01:18:29.731 --> 01:18:31.972
I don't know what they were thinking when they included her.

01:18:31.972 --> 01:18:33.069
This is not.

01:18:33.069 --> 01:18:36.250
some kind of deep cut character that a lot of people love.

01:18:36.409 --> 01:18:38.729
Like it's, we're not talking about Beta Ray Bill here.

01:18:38.729 --> 01:18:42.069
Like this is a fucking Ruth, Bat, Sapra.

01:18:42.069 --> 01:18:43.369
I don't even know who that is.

01:18:43.369 --> 01:18:44.609
Sabra, who is that character?

01:18:44.609 --> 01:18:49.970
I am a longtime comic fan and I'm not saying I know everything, like, omit her from the movie.

01:18:49.970 --> 01:18:50.989
Just be done with it.

01:18:50.989 --> 01:18:52.449
Nothing about it worked.

01:18:52.529 --> 01:18:55.786
Moving on here, Eric, you go on with what you were saying there.

01:18:55.786 --> 01:18:58.006
No, I just, I, I, I agree.

01:18:58.006 --> 01:19:03.338
I, didn't, it didn't, I mean, Ruth bought, bought Seroff, I think is how it was pronounced in the film.

01:19:03.338 --> 01:19:06.751
And it was like, for a moment there, I was like, Ruth bought Sir Ross.

01:19:06.751 --> 01:19:08.731
Is she like related to Thunderbolt?

01:19:08.731 --> 01:19:10.131
I was like, is she another daughter?

01:19:10.131 --> 01:19:11.443
Cause I heard, I heard Ross.

01:19:11.443 --> 01:19:12.252
That's all I heard.

01:19:12.252 --> 01:19:14.734
But again, I, I agree with you.

01:19:14.734 --> 01:19:23.493
Like if there was a different way that this was written to include her in this, because of some kind of, you know, conflicting conflict that was involved in the film, maybe.

01:19:23.493 --> 01:19:32.779
Or maybe this this had to do with something that was going to be interconnected back when widow was more prominent in because that was another thing that popped up on FX was was black widow.

01:19:32.779 --> 01:19:38.923
So maybe that was something that was going to pop up and be like, you know, woven into this as well.

01:19:38.923 --> 01:19:44.578
Yeah, maybe we don't know maybe after the events of Black Widow when it was still much more part of like the overarching story.

01:19:44.578 --> 01:19:56.636
Maybe they had some kind of like a protection program where if you were an ex widow, you could be put into the military somehow as like a, know, since your skills sort of unilaterally help in some capacity.

01:19:56.636 --> 01:19:59.028
Also, why does the president have no offense?

01:19:59.028 --> 01:20:01.850
And I think some of the strongest people in the world are female.

01:20:01.850 --> 01:20:06.143
Why does he why are both of his secrets like his secret defense?

01:20:06.143 --> 01:20:07.463
People are both female.

01:20:07.822 --> 01:20:14.207
Well, she was brought in, Seraf was brought in as a specialty in this instance after the assassination attempt.

01:20:14.207 --> 01:20:18.650
His lead agent happened to be, didn't catch her name.

01:20:19.832 --> 01:20:21.854
Rookmore, yeah.

01:20:21.854 --> 01:20:25.497
But up next we have Carl Lumbly as Isaiah Bradley.

01:20:26.177 --> 01:20:31.221
he's great, his character, loved his haircut, because I had one similar when I was younger in the military.

01:20:32.502 --> 01:20:42.381
Very, like very, to be honest, kind of looked like the the judge from the original like who frame Roger Rabbit movie with like that kind of just coming out the top.

01:20:42.381 --> 01:20:42.943
Is that Chris?

01:20:42.943 --> 01:20:44.837
Is that not Christopher Walken?

01:20:44.837 --> 01:20:45.845
Christopher Lloyd.

01:20:45.845 --> 01:20:46.301
Christopher Lloyd.

01:20:46.301 --> 01:20:46.842
Thank you, guys.

01:20:46.842 --> 01:20:47.083
Yeah.

01:20:47.083 --> 01:20:47.264
Yeah.

01:20:47.264 --> 01:20:48.135
Yeah.

01:20:49.042 --> 01:20:50.603
So there's that.

01:20:50.963 --> 01:20:52.585
But again, I loved his character.

01:20:52.585 --> 01:20:56.796
was, again, there were several moments where I'm like watching his, he's such a good actor.

01:20:56.796 --> 01:21:04.202
he, there was a moment where, again, where it's the one-on-one like booth with Isaiah Bradley and Sam Wilson.

01:21:04.202 --> 01:21:05.613
And he's just like, you want to help me?

01:21:05.613 --> 01:21:06.283
Don't come back.

01:21:06.283 --> 01:21:11.225
And like the look in his eyes was just so that of desperation and of like hopelessness.

01:21:11.225 --> 01:21:14.618
It like, it honestly got like choked me up and I was emotional.

01:21:15.213 --> 01:21:26.399
because there is that connection between again, Sam Wilson and Isaiah Bradley and he literally was the one who talked him into going to this event and it was just unfortunate.

01:21:26.578 --> 01:21:34.502
like we talked about Zocha Rokemore as Layla Taylor who is kind of the lead agent for the president's secret service.

01:21:34.502 --> 01:21:40.765
Giancarlo Esposito as Seth Volker or Sidewinder which we've talked about kind of a little bit.

01:21:41.962 --> 01:21:44.278
I thought he did a great job, but it was kind of, I don't know.

01:21:44.278 --> 01:21:46.636
Again, not, not enough, know, of him.

01:21:46.636 --> 01:21:50.328
I'm just bummed that they keep giving Giancarlo Esposito these roles.

01:21:50.328 --> 01:21:57.310
I hate that every time that they try to put him in one of these big movies, they bring him in as like a band-aid.

01:21:57.310 --> 01:22:03.353
I think it's given people a bad taste of his character, like him as an actor, because he was incredible in Breaking Bad.

01:22:03.353 --> 01:22:10.355
But it seems like every time they put him in one of these like big IP movies, it's always like last second, last moment.

01:22:10.355 --> 01:22:12.856
Hey, Giancarlo, we need a quick fix.

01:22:12.997 --> 01:22:14.608
Can you join us for six weeks for filming?

01:22:14.608 --> 01:22:15.787
And he comes in.

01:22:15.787 --> 01:22:19.880
and the movie's bad and they're all like, Giancarlo, what the fuck, you know, like.

01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:21.411
he definitely he definitely deserved better.

01:22:21.411 --> 01:22:47.682
He's had some really good roles where he's been a prominent character Yeah, and for one I'll say like it's even in Once Upon a Time when he actually plays like the the the mirror from from you know, the Beauty and not be Snow White Snow White he plays he plays like the mirror guy For the evil witch and so he does he's a he's a great actor again and Breaking Bad even let's also talk, Liv Tyler, who at first I didn't even think it was her.

01:22:47.682 --> 01:22:56.622
thought it was like maybe an AI generated voice because she wasn't actually going to be in the film because the first time we see her or hear her is just her voice on the phone.

01:22:56.622 --> 01:22:59.581
undoubtedly reshoot undoubtedly reshoot.

01:22:59.867 --> 01:23:01.966
not sound anyway.

01:23:01.966 --> 01:23:03.847
never had a conversation like that on the phone, Aaron.

01:23:03.847 --> 01:23:06.448
Okay, let's try to recreate that really quick.

01:23:07.010 --> 01:23:08.332
Hello, ring, ring, ring, ring.

01:23:08.332 --> 01:23:09.252
Hello, honey?

01:23:09.252 --> 01:23:11.502
Hey, it's me, Thunderbolt Ross.

01:23:11.502 --> 01:23:12.402
Hello?

01:23:12.402 --> 01:23:13.358
Hi, hi, dad.

01:23:13.358 --> 01:23:13.958
Hi honey.

01:23:13.958 --> 01:23:19.546
just, was thinking about you and I would just, I would love to go on a walk for the cherry blossoms.

01:23:20.238 --> 01:23:22.110
Okay, that sounds nice.

01:23:22.155 --> 01:23:23.327
I just, miss you so much.

01:23:23.327 --> 01:23:27.600
And you know, your mother passed away a couple of years ago and you know, everything that I do is for you.

01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:33.203
And I'm just trying to turn a leaf and I know we haven't gotten along before and gosh, I really just, love you and I miss you.

01:23:33.847 --> 01:23:34.652
That's nice.

01:23:34.652 --> 01:23:35.655
Bye.

01:23:37.408 --> 01:23:40.694
Click, yes, that is, and scene.

01:23:40.694 --> 01:23:41.876
Like we've done it.

01:23:41.876 --> 01:23:44.619
We've literally recreated the exact scene in the movie.

01:23:44.619 --> 01:23:45.581
Thank you.

01:23:45.681 --> 01:23:48.981
Again, but that we and there's the two different things.

01:23:49.185 --> 01:23:51.988
I do not like Liv Tyler at all.

01:23:53.050 --> 01:23:54.310
I don't like Liv Tyler.

01:23:54.310 --> 01:23:56.909
She to me is just the most bland actress.

01:23:56.909 --> 01:23:58.332
But what about Norma Gettin?

01:23:59.189 --> 01:23:59.841
Same thing.

01:23:59.841 --> 01:24:03.487
Still still she's she's lived Tyler in every fucking role she's ever been in.

01:24:03.487 --> 01:24:06.261
She's like, I don't know about that.

01:24:08.425 --> 01:24:10.158
She's always got a dad in fucking pain.

01:24:10.158 --> 01:24:12.442
Like, don't be Liv Tyler's dad in a role.

01:24:12.442 --> 01:24:12.730
Correct.

01:24:12.730 --> 01:24:13.752
Because you'll be in.

01:24:13.752 --> 01:24:17.195
be her dad and don't be her boyfriend because they always have her hurting.

01:24:17.195 --> 01:24:18.966
Yeah.

01:24:19.266 --> 01:24:20.587
Don't say it, Chris.

01:24:22.588 --> 01:24:30.873
And then the other thing is like Harrison Ford, he does so well, like emotionally, like he does so well in this.

01:24:30.873 --> 01:24:32.293
think he just, don't think he phoned it in.

01:24:32.293 --> 01:24:46.318
I think he, loved what he did in this role as that as, then, and then to have Liv Tyler as his daughter, it's like, why have we recast so many people so many times in these films, but Liv Tyler is still Betty Ross.

01:24:46.318 --> 01:24:47.198
Just speculating.

01:24:47.198 --> 01:24:49.337
How much do you think she got paid just for that last scene?

01:24:49.337 --> 01:24:57.978
Just to just just record that one very monotone bland conversation and then that one scene on the right.

01:24:57.978 --> 01:24:58.278
Yeah.

01:24:58.278 --> 01:24:59.557
On a green screen.

01:24:59.818 --> 01:25:00.417
Yeah.

01:25:00.637 --> 01:25:01.858
Hundred thousand.

01:25:02.457 --> 01:25:04.337
Somewhere that range, probably.

01:25:04.337 --> 01:25:05.757
I would do it, too.

01:25:05.757 --> 01:25:06.457
I don't blame her.

01:25:06.457 --> 01:25:07.297
Get your money, Liv.

01:25:07.297 --> 01:25:08.198
Yeah.

01:25:08.565 --> 01:25:09.527
Live and let live.

01:25:09.527 --> 01:25:10.188
All right.

01:25:10.188 --> 01:25:17.215
You got Tim Blake Nelson, a Samuel Stearns, AKA the hero, AKA the leader.

01:25:17.855 --> 01:25:21.619
I never even called the leader in the movie, but we know he's the leader, right?

01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:23.703
But he calls himself, I am the hero.

01:25:23.703 --> 01:25:24.073
Okay.

01:25:24.073 --> 01:25:27.212
But like I loved, I loved his portrayal.

01:25:27.212 --> 01:25:29.506
You like this character in this movie.

01:25:29.506 --> 01:25:30.228
I do.

01:25:30.228 --> 01:25:31.448
thought his...

01:25:31.711 --> 01:25:35.507
Again, here's one thing that Marvel has always done so well.

01:25:35.507 --> 01:25:41.619
They have always made the villain a villain that can be relatable.

01:25:42.444 --> 01:25:43.573
Hmm.

01:25:43.934 --> 01:25:44.704
That's a loaded.

01:25:44.704 --> 01:25:46.914
There's there's a lot of things I could say.

01:25:46.914 --> 01:25:55.957
I think I would say the leader in this movie rivals a lot of phase one villains outside of the fact that he didn't die.

01:25:55.957 --> 01:26:00.408
That's the only difference between him and fucking whiplash and killmonger.

01:26:00.408 --> 01:26:01.509
No, killmonger is like phase three.

01:26:01.509 --> 01:26:01.948
He's pretty good.

01:26:01.948 --> 01:26:03.340
I like I like killmonger.

01:26:03.340 --> 01:26:05.909
I would say that like I should say this.

01:26:05.909 --> 01:26:11.242
OK, you know, we've talked we've talked pretty in depth about how much I didn't like this movie.

01:26:11.605 --> 01:26:15.162
I will say I wasn't revolted by Tim Blake Nelson's leader in this movie.

01:26:15.162 --> 01:26:16.463
I thought his look was pretty bad.

01:26:16.463 --> 01:26:17.564
I didn't like the eyes.

01:26:17.564 --> 01:26:26.007
Like they should have just done what they did with him in the comics, which is he's got a little bit of like an obtuse enlarged head, right?

01:26:26.029 --> 01:26:26.957
Big forehead.

01:26:26.957 --> 01:26:29.287
I told you that they were going to make him look like the guy.

01:26:29.287 --> 01:26:30.434
did fucking.

01:26:30.434 --> 01:26:32.179
He looks like a character from in blue.

01:26:32.179 --> 01:26:36.009
looks like he has like, he almost has like a, like a fungal look to his head.

01:26:36.009 --> 01:26:36.600
Right.

01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:48.359
Well, and here's the thing that I think about with this one is in every other origin, I don't think he's ever been, what's the word, like experimented on.

01:26:48.420 --> 01:26:56.395
So one reason that he could look as fucked up as he does is because of what Ross did to him in that bunker.

01:26:56.395 --> 01:26:57.765
Yeah, possibly.

01:26:57.765 --> 01:27:00.368
We do see a little bit of that in the incredible hawk.

01:27:00.368 --> 01:27:08.412
If everyone remembers from that movie is that when the blood of Bruce Banner interacts with Samuel's blood, you see his head start to expand a little bit.

01:27:08.412 --> 01:27:10.413
And then that's the last we see if I'm until this movie.

01:27:10.413 --> 01:27:14.636
So like very possible, you know, again, I don't absolutely hate this.

01:27:14.636 --> 01:27:17.457
I don't mind him in this movie.

01:27:17.537 --> 01:27:24.386
And I would, I would, I would probably be okay with seeing him again at some point down the road, but I don't know.

01:27:24.386 --> 01:27:34.070
I will say that I do kind of like the end result of his arc in this movie where he essentially ousts Ross and sort of his actions there at the end, which turns him into the Red Hulk.

01:27:34.070 --> 01:27:34.881
I didn't mind that.

01:27:34.881 --> 01:27:38.376
I didn't mind him that being his plan because yeah, he knew he was gonna get caught.

01:27:38.376 --> 01:27:43.541
But at the end of the day, getting back at Thunderbolt Ross was really his goal and he achieved that.

01:27:43.979 --> 01:27:45.109
Yeah, ruining his legacy.

01:27:45.109 --> 01:27:50.033
Now, and I loved how angry he got when Captain America like fucked up his plan.

01:27:50.033 --> 01:27:53.264
Like, can you imagine like somebody who's been so obsessed?

01:27:53.264 --> 01:27:53.854
Right.

01:27:53.854 --> 01:28:05.399
Somebody who's been, it's like the Riddler, you know, getting mad at the Batman, you know, somebody who's so obsessed with the statistical outcome and to have it snubbed last minute because of somebody else's, I understand like his frustration.

01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:12.046
I, and again, I think, I think that Tim Blake Nelson fucking like rocked this role and I'd love to see more of the leader.

01:28:12.046 --> 01:28:20.845
I think it's interesting about that's the interesting thing about the leader is that a lot of times in the comics, he can give you an exact statistical probability of a moment.

01:28:20.845 --> 01:28:21.725
He can do the Dr.

01:28:21.725 --> 01:28:28.925
Strange thing from affinity war and go, Oh, I can tell you that this is going to happen at a 76.9 % percentage of success.

01:28:29.086 --> 01:28:33.046
But the thing is, is that thing about probability is that there's always that other percentage, right?

01:28:33.046 --> 01:28:37.485
And he didn't, he didn't account for that other percentage of Captain America doing what he did in this movie.

01:28:37.485 --> 01:28:38.765
So there's always that part.

01:28:38.765 --> 01:28:45.956
And that a lot of times what sort of the leader and sort of why he's unable to be successful is because he's a brash idiot.

01:28:45.956 --> 01:28:47.275
He's overconfident.

01:28:47.275 --> 01:28:50.476
He is immature, egotistical.

01:28:50.476 --> 01:29:01.019
He thinks that he is a smart and he is very smart, but like a lot of times these unbecoming personality traits is what ruins these villains and honestly is what generally separates them from succeeding.

01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:06.761
So Harrison Ford replaces again, as we said earlier, William Hurt in this movie as Thunderbolt Ross.

01:29:06.761 --> 01:29:10.094
Of course, many people know this already, but William Hurt tragically passed away.

01:29:10.094 --> 01:29:13.094
in 2022 of terminal prostate cancer.

01:29:13.173 --> 01:29:17.993
Now this is Harrison Ford's second movie where he plays the president of the United States.

01:29:17.993 --> 01:29:23.014
Of course, the first one being Air Force One in 1997, big fan of Air Force One.

01:29:23.014 --> 01:29:26.573
People, if you haven't seen Air Force One for whatever reason, go watch it right now.

01:29:26.573 --> 01:29:29.274
Stop this review, go watch it and come back.

01:29:35.341 --> 01:29:37.220
off my Blaine.

01:29:44.578 --> 01:29:45.457
very good.

01:29:45.457 --> 01:29:55.801
I actually had a moment in my life here recently where I was going through all of the 1990s Harrison Ford total dad rock action films.

01:29:55.801 --> 01:29:59.891
know, again, I said early fugitive, clear and present danger.

01:29:59.891 --> 01:30:04.462
Like these movies that are like, it's just Harrison Ford up against the government and I fucking love it every time.

01:30:04.462 --> 01:30:05.703
It's always the best.

01:30:05.703 --> 01:30:11.904
And then as we said a moment ago, Sebastian Stans, Bucky Barnes shows up in the third act, undoubtedly a reshoot.

01:30:11.904 --> 01:30:21.480
It's almost unquestionable at this point that they got this You know, they brought Sebastian Stan in for a day to shoot this scene where it seems that he's running for U S Congress.

01:30:21.480 --> 01:30:29.123
Now I think it's speculation at this point that it's Congress, but in the Thunderbolts trailer, we see him in the crowd of.

01:30:30.564 --> 01:30:30.984
Thank you.

01:30:30.984 --> 01:30:31.404
Yes.

01:30:31.404 --> 01:30:39.328
We see her talking to, you know, a council of some sort saying, I want to reform the Avengers and that's what the Thunderbolts eventually become.

01:30:39.328 --> 01:30:43.054
So, you know, more Russian propaganda and our government let's do it.

01:30:43.054 --> 01:30:44.734
Honestly, at this point, who cares?

01:30:44.734 --> 01:30:53.073
It wasn't like Bucky bars was just Willy nilly killing billionaires and high profile American people in the nineties.

01:30:53.073 --> 01:30:54.873
Let's just put them making part of the government.

01:30:54.873 --> 01:30:55.413
Not a big deal.

01:30:55.413 --> 01:30:56.713
Who cares?

01:30:56.734 --> 01:30:59.273
Aaron, let's talk about a big question here.

01:30:59.273 --> 01:31:02.014
And this is, this will be the last part of our sort of a conversation here.

01:31:02.014 --> 01:31:04.993
Cause do you want to talk about the, talk about the end credit scene?

01:31:04.993 --> 01:31:12.474
Do you want to talk about the final scene with Harrison Ford and Harrison Ford's Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross and Sam Wilson and the cherry blossom?

01:31:12.493 --> 01:31:13.270
Is there anything to say?

01:31:13.270 --> 01:31:15.725
So, mean, there's not really much to say about either of those.

01:31:15.725 --> 01:31:18.029
We've talked about the end credit scene already.

01:31:18.029 --> 01:31:19.230
There wasn't really a mid credit scene.

01:31:19.230 --> 01:31:20.372
There was a post credit scene.

01:31:20.372 --> 01:31:21.203
Right.

01:31:21.546 --> 01:31:25.792
But I think that, you know, I mean, the final scene, I don't want to, I mean, I don't think we necessarily need to get into it.

01:31:25.792 --> 01:31:26.305
mean, it.

01:31:26.305 --> 01:31:27.467
You know, it didn't look bad.

01:31:27.467 --> 01:31:35.521
Honestly, I thought the final scene with Ross as the Red Hulk, the Red Hulk looked good, you know?

01:31:36.503 --> 01:31:39.996
was an engaging, awesome, fun battle to watch.

01:31:39.996 --> 01:31:46.759
I thought it was really like interesting because again, I love any opportunity, fuck it, let's just talk about it.

01:31:47.260 --> 01:31:55.024
I love any opportunity to see the Hulk actually like rage out and be the Hulk because not too many times have we gotten to actually see the Hulk.

01:31:55.024 --> 01:32:03.969
It's been a long time since we've seen the Hulk, just be the Hulk without any mission, like not fighting aliens, not getting his ass whooped by Thanos, but like just hulking out.

01:32:03.969 --> 01:32:05.742
And this was a really cool one.

01:32:05.742 --> 01:32:06.898
Probably Age of Ultron, right?

01:32:06.898 --> 01:32:08.403
That's probably the last time.

01:32:08.608 --> 01:32:09.199
Yeah.

01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:09.500
Yeah.

01:32:09.500 --> 01:32:16.650
Destroying helicopters, like fucking up the entire White House, like punching the shit out of Sam Wilson.

01:32:16.650 --> 01:32:18.670
punching the shit out of the Washington Monument.

01:32:18.670 --> 01:32:19.829
Yeah, Jesus.

01:32:19.829 --> 01:32:24.489
it's, was, I thought it was really like the battle itself was really cool.

01:32:24.489 --> 01:32:36.409
And the fact that we saw again, Sam Wilson, an unempowered individual taking on the, like the, the, red Hulk was awesome.

01:32:36.409 --> 01:32:45.220
And then like what he did like to, basically subdue Ross was, I did not expect that.

01:32:45.220 --> 01:32:46.511
was such a bad-ass scene.

01:32:46.511 --> 01:32:48.172
Like again, I really enjoyed it.

01:32:48.172 --> 01:32:53.636
Even if the background was kind of stupid, it was kind of silly being that it was among all these cherry blossom trees.

01:32:53.845 --> 01:33:00.140
the fighting was again, I really liked the, the, the, the fighting that Sam Wilson did.

01:33:00.140 --> 01:33:02.561
It shows that he was training very hard.

01:33:02.561 --> 01:33:07.604
It shows that he had been doing a lot of training with the shield and the wings and everything was being used.

01:33:07.604 --> 01:33:08.641
It was awesome.

01:33:08.641 --> 01:33:09.283
Yeah.

01:33:09.283 --> 01:33:09.512
Yeah.

01:33:09.512 --> 01:33:10.734
I didn't, I didn't hate that last bar.

01:33:10.734 --> 01:33:19.829
remember thinking when Harrison Ford sort of emerges from behind that podium and shows himself as the red Hulk for the first time, I think all of that looked pretty good.

01:33:19.829 --> 01:33:22.051
looked like they had been working on that for a while.

01:33:22.051 --> 01:33:24.132
So I was totally fine with all of that.

01:33:24.132 --> 01:33:30.578
And again, his sort of reasoning and having like, you know, bringing up Betty and all the things like, okay, sure.

01:33:30.578 --> 01:33:31.298
Whatever.

01:33:31.298 --> 01:33:36.525
There's no, there's no world where captain America, even Steve Rogers can compete against the incredible Hulk.

01:33:36.525 --> 01:33:51.470
in any Incredible Hulk, we're talking, know, Joe fix it all the way down or all the way up to like World War Hulk, like all of these, the Hulk will fuck up any character that's not like Thor or Century or you know, any of those guys.

01:33:51.470 --> 01:33:54.211
So I didn't mind that conclusion.

01:33:54.211 --> 01:33:55.572
It's what else can you do really?

01:33:55.572 --> 01:34:00.943
And I do like the fact that they included the fire ability that the Red Hulk has in the comics.

01:34:00.943 --> 01:34:04.533
He has like a little bit of a like a little bit of a kindred.

01:34:04.770 --> 01:34:08.291
to his punches, like emits heat and all these things.

01:34:08.291 --> 01:34:17.594
My only big sort of bummer, and maybe we'll get it later, is in the comics, the Red Hulk has his mustache, but obviously Harrison Ford doesn't have the mustache in the movie.

01:34:17.594 --> 01:34:34.037
You see it for a minute where he's getting like angry on, like during a news outlet, but maybe one day we'll get, gosh, Aaron, tell me this would not be incredible if like in Secret Wars or something where we get Harrison Ford's Red Hulk and he's got like some aviators on and a black mustache.

01:34:34.134 --> 01:34:35.759
Pretty good not be dope as fuck.

01:34:35.759 --> 01:34:36.038
Right.

01:34:36.038 --> 01:34:40.382
And like a like he's wearing like a giant like general suit.

01:34:41.444 --> 01:34:42.100
Like, I don't know.

01:34:42.100 --> 01:34:45.738
It just it just would take a little part of my brain that I didn't know that I wanted.

01:34:45.738 --> 01:34:50.153
But all right, let's get into something a little bit more interesting and again, probably a little bit more important.

01:34:50.153 --> 01:34:59.307
And I think the last thing we'll talk about in this review, Aaron, I'd love for you to talk about a moment here that led up to the eventual release of Captain America Brave New World.

01:34:59.307 --> 01:35:01.109
This was kind of a big thing in the news.

01:35:01.109 --> 01:35:09.686
It was circulating on social media quite a bit, but there's this press event in Italy and we did talk about it briefly during the grid.

01:35:09.686 --> 01:35:15.871
the end of January, Mackie said Captain America represented values like honor, dignity and integrity rather than America itself.

01:35:15.871 --> 01:35:18.073
And Captain America represents a lot of different things.

01:35:18.073 --> 01:35:23.636
And I don't think the term America should be one of those representations.

01:35:23.978 --> 01:35:29.087
He received a lot of backlash because of that from idiots.

01:35:29.087 --> 01:35:38.265
Some online commentators who labeled the film and his opinions anti-American and woke and later added, I'm a proud American and taking on the shield of a hero like Cap is the honor of a lifetime.

01:35:38.265 --> 01:35:42.309
Cap has universal characteristics that people all over the world can relate to.

01:35:42.309 --> 01:35:57.292
James Hibbert of the Hollywood Reporter said, Evans made similar statements when playing the character and the actors were likely directed by Marvel to focus on Captain America's universal qualities to avoid any jingoistic connotations while promoting internationally.

01:35:57.292 --> 01:36:14.587
So one of the things that is brought up by this is the simple fact that he was saying again, that Captain America should not represent necessarily America itself, like the, like the title America, represents again, we talked about this, like the American, like it's not the American, it's the human dream.

01:36:14.587 --> 01:36:22.894
It's the, it's the, it's the societal dream of pursuing progress, pursuing embedded like betterment and America.

01:36:22.894 --> 01:36:23.765
Yes, America.

01:36:23.765 --> 01:36:25.365
is Captain America.

01:36:25.590 --> 01:36:35.756
And he is a representation because he is Captain America, but what he is in essence should not just only represent America.

01:36:35.756 --> 01:36:46.363
It should represent all humanity wanting to be better, wanting to be that shield, wanting to be that armor around the world like Iron Man wanted to do.

01:36:46.363 --> 01:37:16.341
And I agree with what he's saying because he also went on to say that Captain America, yes, know, a Black Captain America can be representation of a superhero for, you know, black children, for children of color, for people of color, you know, to see that anybody with any complexion can really, again, represent one of the greatest and most iconic heroes in history, not just Captain America, is a beautiful thing.

01:37:16.341 --> 01:37:17.162
Yeah.

01:37:17.462 --> 01:37:19.613
And the thing is, is that this is all rage bait bullshit.

01:37:19.613 --> 01:37:30.590
People that got mad about this were strictly mad about it because it was a black man saying this as it was said here from, you said it there a moment ago from the Hollywood reporter, James Hilburn.

01:37:30.590 --> 01:37:41.215
He's, mean, Chris Evans was constantly saying this on the red carpet and, Chris Evans is notoriously a giant liberal who was like constantly clapping back at dumb right-wing idiots online.

01:37:41.256 --> 01:37:44.807
And Anthony Mackie says, he says it very plainly.

01:37:44.807 --> 01:37:56.390
It's like, And this is a, you know, a great example of like, it's a good conversation to have about what Captain America is and why he should re why he should be mirrored to what the idea of America.

01:37:56.390 --> 01:37:58.130
Cause again, he doesn't represent America.

01:37:58.130 --> 01:38:02.449
He represents the idea of America and America used to mean something more.

01:38:02.449 --> 01:38:04.109
It used to mean opportunity.

01:38:04.109 --> 01:38:04.970
It used to mean freedom.

01:38:04.970 --> 01:38:09.329
used to mean doing the right thing only because it was the right thing.

01:38:09.329 --> 01:38:11.029
That's what America used to mean.

01:38:11.029 --> 01:38:14.911
And that meaning has I feel like it's slowly changed over time.

01:38:14.911 --> 01:38:20.323
America is a complex melting pot of a lot of issues and great things.

01:38:20.323 --> 01:38:21.814
like, it's always perspective.

01:38:21.814 --> 01:38:26.416
It's always people talking about what a certain thing means to them.

01:38:26.416 --> 01:38:34.548
But I think at the end of the day, Captain America is at his core, at their core is a person that just does the right thing.

01:38:34.548 --> 01:38:41.942
I think it's, and then we talked about earlier, mean, Captain America was made in 1940, was created as a character in 1940 by Jack Kirby.

01:38:41.942 --> 01:38:45.164
and Joe Simon as World War II propaganda.

01:38:45.164 --> 01:38:50.368
At that time, the masses, the American people were against getting involved in World War II.

01:38:50.368 --> 01:38:54.813
And it wasn't, mean, say what you want about Pearl Harbor.

01:38:54.813 --> 01:39:00.978
People have their speculations on what Pearl Harbor is and why it happened and all the things.

01:39:00.978 --> 01:39:06.523
like Captain America was created as a piece of propaganda to get people excited about punching Hitler in the face.

01:39:06.523 --> 01:39:08.925
That's literally on the cover of Captain America one number one.

01:39:08.925 --> 01:39:10.463
It's Captain America punching Hitler.

01:39:10.463 --> 01:39:15.157
It's the it's the idea of America punching Hitler in the face, right?

01:39:15.158 --> 01:39:21.252
But much like propaganda, and we said this earlier, you know, the idea of America has changed.

01:39:21.252 --> 01:39:23.164
The identity of America has changed.

01:39:23.164 --> 01:39:32.372
And this is best explained in the 1988 Daredevil number 233, weirdly enough, from writer Frank Miller and artist David Mezzocchelli.

01:39:32.372 --> 01:39:36.555
Captain America says, I'm loyal to nothing general except the dream.

01:39:36.555 --> 01:39:37.355
Right.

01:39:37.355 --> 01:39:48.898
And lot of people don't know if you ever read Daredevil number 233, it's Captain America and Daredevil have to team up to take on Nuke, who Nuke at that time sort of represented this person post Vietnam.

01:39:48.898 --> 01:39:56.537
We see a version of Nuke in, I think, Jessica Jones, where he takes the pills and he like becomes a maniac and gets powers and all the things.

01:39:57.557 --> 01:40:07.578
Nuke in the comics represented, especially in this run, sort of this, again, jingoistic America number one, always no matter what or else kind of person.

01:40:07.662 --> 01:40:11.582
And daredevil daredevil and Captain America had to team up to take this guy down.

01:40:11.862 --> 01:40:15.002
So, you know, don't take it from us.

01:40:15.002 --> 01:40:18.902
We're idiots, Aaron and I, but like, I think we have a little bit of perspective on America.

01:40:18.902 --> 01:40:26.021
We both fought for this country in some capacity, Aaron, more so than I, but like at the end of the day, you put your name on the dotted line.

01:40:26.021 --> 01:40:27.561
That's all you can do, right?

01:40:27.561 --> 01:40:28.822
To tie this all back together.

01:40:28.822 --> 01:40:30.082
That's what Captain America is doing.

01:40:30.082 --> 01:40:36.282
He's putting his name on the line and whether that's Sam Wilson or Steve Rogers or anybody.

01:40:36.492 --> 01:40:37.224
That's all you can do.

01:40:37.224 --> 01:40:39.569
That's what America should represent.

01:40:39.569 --> 01:40:41.394
Let's get off our soapbox, Aaron.

01:40:41.394 --> 01:40:43.818
Final thoughts on Captain America Brave New World.

01:40:44.141 --> 01:40:45.403
thought it was great.

01:40:45.561 --> 01:40:46.795
I mean, I loved it.

01:40:46.795 --> 01:40:49.569
I I enjoyed it from start to finish.

01:40:49.569 --> 01:40:57.077
And honestly, it gave me everything I had been wanting for, you know, from what I had been talking about, it gave me everything I was wanting.

01:40:57.778 --> 01:40:59.779
Well, I think this movie is an atrocity.

01:40:59.779 --> 01:41:13.689
I think that it represents the worst that Marvel can do I think that if we get two more of these this will be the end of Marvel Studios plainly stated if we get two more movies and or television series that look and feel and Talk and look like this.

01:41:13.689 --> 01:41:29.671
It's bad We're in bad news and and I've and Erin I've talked about this many times Marvel Studios has my money until secret wars It has it has a direct line to my direct deposit to my banking account until then If we get to secret wars and I am washed out from this universe, I'm done.

01:41:29.671 --> 01:41:30.613
I don't need to watch it.

01:41:30.613 --> 01:41:32.243
I will pick and choose which movies I want to watch.

01:41:32.243 --> 01:41:43.041
I'm not following along the way I'm now because over the last five years, this universe has ebbed and flowed to a point where it legitimately ruins my day when these movies are bad, when these TV series are bad.

01:41:43.041 --> 01:41:44.002
Like it hurt.

01:41:44.002 --> 01:41:45.403
We talk about it here on the show.

01:41:45.403 --> 01:41:58.109
A big pillar of this, of this podcast of our conversation is Aaron and I, love to get out here and talk about these cinematic universes that emulate these characters that we love.

01:41:58.329 --> 01:42:07.350
And what really struck me was the night that I went to go see Captain America Brave New World, I came home, I'm fucking bummed out.

01:42:07.350 --> 01:42:08.750
I'm like, God, this sucked.

01:42:08.750 --> 01:42:13.970
I do need to talk about this with my best friend Aaron, but I just need something, something to pick me up.

01:42:13.970 --> 01:42:18.390
And I went and watched one of them days with, we talked about it during our Misc.

01:42:18.390 --> 01:42:23.350
films of 2025, you've got SZA is in it.

01:42:23.350 --> 01:42:25.310
And then also what's her name from?

01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:26.689
Kiki Palmer.

01:42:26.689 --> 01:42:27.860
Thank you, Kiki Palmer.

01:42:27.860 --> 01:42:29.792
Kiki Palmer and SZA in it.

01:42:29.853 --> 01:42:32.454
And I had way more fun with that movie.

01:42:32.454 --> 01:42:38.498
Now granted it is a comedy, but like it was better made, the jokes were better, like it looked better.

01:42:38.498 --> 01:42:41.069
just top to bottom was it just a better movie.

01:42:41.069 --> 01:42:43.302
And I remember thinking like, is this where we are?

01:42:43.302 --> 01:42:44.533
Is this what Marvel is now?

01:42:44.533 --> 01:42:53.279
Or is it just a content, you know, IP machine where like Kevin DeFigy is going to get up on stage with his stupid sports.

01:42:53.293 --> 01:43:07.394
coat and his hat of the whatever movie's coming out next and just like tells us, Oh, in 2032, everybody, we're going to get a new version of, I don't know, name, name an event from Marvel from 1970.

01:43:07.394 --> 01:43:08.873
Like, is that what we are now?

01:43:08.873 --> 01:43:18.926
And these movies were always popcorn movies, but like at some, like we've said about, we said about this many times with the MCU is that like, it gets us on board with, with loving the characters.

01:43:18.926 --> 01:43:22.006
At the end of the day, if we love these characters, that's about all we can ask for.

01:43:22.006 --> 01:43:23.645
I've said it already in the conversation.

01:43:23.645 --> 01:43:27.826
I love Anthony Mackie as a character, but he deserves better than this.

01:43:27.826 --> 01:43:33.305
He deserved better than Falcon and Winter Soldier, which I thought was fine, but not great.

01:43:33.586 --> 01:43:35.286
I'm just, I'm tired, Aaron.

01:43:35.286 --> 01:43:38.386
I guess the last thing I'll say is I'm tired of these.

01:43:38.386 --> 01:43:44.421
And if Thunderbolts isn't good, it's gonna really worry me for Fantastic Four.

01:43:45.033 --> 01:43:50.765
I mean, again, I'm just I was so shocked learning that you didn't like this.

01:43:50.765 --> 01:43:51.155
I am.

01:43:51.155 --> 01:43:59.047
I am absolutely shocked because I I had such a good experience with this movie and I and I honestly like again, I was emotional during the movie.

01:43:59.047 --> 01:43:59.807
I laughed.

01:43:59.807 --> 01:44:02.759
I enjoyed the combat, the aerial combat.

01:44:02.759 --> 01:44:05.300
I again, there's absolutely things that I put there.

01:44:05.300 --> 01:44:09.860
I think that's with any any Marvel film is like there's wanting more.

01:44:09.860 --> 01:44:10.220
Yeah.

01:44:10.220 --> 01:44:16.885
And maybe maybe because I didn't look I didn't do so much research or I didn't know so much about the reshoots and all.

01:44:16.885 --> 01:44:18.966
I didn't know all that stuff before having watched it.

01:44:18.966 --> 01:44:27.461
Like I went in there with more of maybe a tabula rasa clean slate idea of what this movie of I just the only thing I did was I just want I went in and I had an idea.

01:44:27.461 --> 01:44:36.416
I was like, I want them to slightly talk about Isaiah Bradley's past and like how it's affected by this film and then some other stuff and I'll be good.

01:44:36.416 --> 01:44:38.627
And I got I got way more than that.

01:44:38.627 --> 01:44:39.329
So.

01:44:39.329 --> 01:44:42.494
Maybe going in with less and is better off.

01:44:42.494 --> 01:44:46.420
I feel like maybe, maybe you went in with too much expectations.

01:44:46.841 --> 01:44:49.305
But again, that's, that's, that's your prerogative, man.

01:44:49.305 --> 01:44:53.771
I'm not going to tell you, you ever expect, you shouldn't expect a lot from these films.

01:44:53.771 --> 01:44:55.502
You know, I'm just, I'm easier to please.

01:44:55.502 --> 01:44:56.353
There's a threshold.

01:44:56.353 --> 01:45:02.167
I think that again, if you just got to hit a certain level of quality, I don't expect these movies to be Schindler's list.

01:45:02.167 --> 01:45:08.393
You know, like I just want them to be fun and have like, just like a layer or two.

01:45:08.393 --> 01:45:12.315
If there's like a layer or two of substance, I can get behind them.

01:45:12.315 --> 01:45:14.346
You know, like they have my money again.

01:45:14.346 --> 01:45:18.470
I said it, like I'm going to go see these movies and I'm going to enjoy them on some level.

01:45:18.470 --> 01:45:21.603
Like again, I didn't like this movie, but there are moments that I was fun.

01:45:21.603 --> 01:45:31.509
Like again, the red Hulk, the 10 minutes we got him and I sort of liked the opening scene a little bit with Anthony Mackie and him infiltrating that Sidewinder mission that he was on.

01:45:31.529 --> 01:45:34.273
Some of that was fun, but just overall not great.

01:45:34.273 --> 01:45:35.914
But let's get into the ratings here out of five David A.

01:45:35.914 --> 01:45:37.136
Weiner's as we do.

01:45:37.136 --> 01:45:41.300
Again, first film of 2025, we rate everything out of five David A.

01:45:41.300 --> 01:45:41.621
Weiner's.

01:45:41.621 --> 01:45:46.185
So Aaron, out of five Weiner's, what are you gonna give Captain America Brave New World?

01:45:46.636 --> 01:45:48.590
I'm giving it a 4.5.

01:45:49.391 --> 01:45:50.422
goodness.

01:45:51.623 --> 01:45:52.725
goodness.

01:45:52.746 --> 01:45:54.025
We need to.

01:45:55.307 --> 01:45:56.469
we need to.

01:45:56.548 --> 01:45:57.488
no.

01:45:58.511 --> 01:45:59.060
OK.

01:45:59.060 --> 01:46:00.233
All right.

01:46:00.233 --> 01:46:01.193
Wow.

01:46:01.243 --> 01:46:02.014
wow.

01:46:02.274 --> 01:46:07.314
Yeah, this movie for me, honestly, like as crazy as the sound was near perfect for me.

01:46:07.314 --> 01:46:08.261
I enjoyed it.

01:46:09.003 --> 01:46:09.944
Okay.

01:46:09.944 --> 01:46:10.335
Sorry.

01:46:10.335 --> 01:46:11.707
My heart just started to flutter.

01:46:11.707 --> 01:46:17.729
Like it just was, I think I was, I think I was having, I was having some, some Thunderbolt Ross heart palpitations.

01:46:17.729 --> 01:46:18.591
Don't take any pills.

01:46:18.591 --> 01:46:21.596
They're laced with with trace amounts of gamma.

01:46:22.007 --> 01:46:23.612
I'm gonna give this movie a two out of five.

01:46:23.612 --> 01:46:25.917
This is not great.

01:46:25.917 --> 01:46:30.318
Again, as I said earlier, it's borderline Madam Web, in my opinion.

01:46:30.318 --> 01:46:31.682
How fucking dare you?

01:46:31.682 --> 01:46:35.826
I'm going to, I'm going to smack you like a bitch when I see you next.

01:46:35.826 --> 01:46:36.095
listen.

01:46:36.095 --> 01:46:37.947
Hey, if you're listening right now, please let Aaron.

01:46:37.947 --> 01:46:41.168
I know we are clearly on wildly different sides of the coin here.

01:46:41.168 --> 01:46:42.859
We are literally joker and the Batman.

01:46:42.859 --> 01:46:44.940
So like tell us what you think.

01:46:44.940 --> 01:46:47.182
We want to know, like, what are your thoughts on this?

01:46:47.182 --> 01:46:49.484
If you enjoyed it or not, but we're to get off our.

01:46:49.484 --> 01:46:51.074
We've been talking about this for almost two hours now.

01:46:51.074 --> 01:46:55.817
Aaron, let's get into my favorite segment, one that I've been missing here in 2025.

01:46:55.817 --> 01:46:57.278
Let's get in Aaron's arcade.

01:46:59.234 --> 01:47:02.175
It's time for Aaron's Arcade.

01:47:05.869 --> 01:47:07.149
Welcome to Aaron's arcade.

01:47:07.149 --> 01:47:08.829
am exhausted.

01:47:09.149 --> 01:47:14.289
Uh, that's, this has been one of the most intense reviews of a movie that we've ever done, think.

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Um, but I wanted to talk about my recent delve into mobile competitive gaming.

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And with that, this is, this is not a sponsored segment, but there's something I want to talk about because I recently, uh, a guy that I know, Scotty Ted well, who, you know, helped develop the G fuel brand has, uh, recently invested in a company called puck.

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And that's P UK.

01:47:36.729 --> 01:47:41.627
And it is a mobile gaming, like kind of ecosystem developer.

01:47:41.627 --> 01:47:46.046
And there's actually a, there's a news outlet called puck as well, like a Hollywood, Hollywood reporter type.

01:47:46.046 --> 01:47:46.926
Yeah.

01:47:46.926 --> 01:47:47.627
didn't know that.

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But Puck is a mobile gaming controller designed to elevate your gaming experience.

01:47:50.779 --> 01:47:55.532
It aims to make mobile gaming feel more comfortable, more immersive.

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with they have like thoughtful features, as they say, with like tailored to solve common gaming challenges, know, ergonomic controls that are improved, allowing you to play without compromise.

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So whether you're a casual gamer or a pro, Puck is helping you take your mobile gaming to the next level.

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And I say this because Chris, you know that I've got some some nerve damage in my hands.

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So I have to be careful about how long and what I play on mobile devices.

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Cause I like playing mobile games.

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Like, you know, call of duty mobile is one that I'm on a huge kick right now.

01:48:25.140 --> 01:48:27.511
And I've been kicking some serious ass.

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but I'm not going to lie like this puck gaming kind of, ecosystem as they call it, the, the ergonomic, like, like grips that I have.

01:48:38.488 --> 01:48:47.738
So, I'm just gonna tell you, I'm, I've been testing out the complete bundle package with each cell, which it sounds like a lot, but I think it's actually really, really, affordable.

01:48:47.738 --> 01:48:49.439
It's like $85 for everything.

01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:51.740
And I got that using a coupon code.

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It comes with like these triggers, a thumb stick that is magnetic that like magnetizes to the screen.

01:48:57.243 --> 01:48:59.204
So you don't have to like attach anything.

01:48:59.204 --> 01:49:04.677
These grips that you attach to like a case, you basically get a case that's kind of just like something you can throw away.

01:49:04.677 --> 01:49:05.078
That's fold.

01:49:05.078 --> 01:49:05.679
That's bendable.

01:49:05.679 --> 01:49:10.570
So you can put your phone in and out of it and a link cable that helps charge it.

01:49:10.570 --> 01:49:15.340
So it's not in the way of like your hands while you're playing, which again, it all works.

01:49:15.340 --> 01:49:16.710
really that's why I call it ecosystem.

01:49:16.710 --> 01:49:18.390
It all works very well together.

01:49:18.390 --> 01:49:27.193
It's all kind of, what's the word like modular, and it helps you play like at a more competitive level because it's ergonomic.

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There's less strain, there's less pain and there's less fatigue.

01:49:30.613 --> 01:49:34.875
And, as, again, as somebody who, you know, that is a big deal for me.

01:49:34.875 --> 01:49:36.095
I work on a computer all day long.

01:49:36.095 --> 01:49:44.417
I'm a freelance writer, so I'm at a computer, and with the nerve damage they have in my arms and my hands, like I haven't had the same pains that I've been having.

01:49:44.417 --> 01:49:45.278
while using this.

01:49:45.278 --> 01:49:46.248
So I included a link.

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I included a picture in the show notes, go to puck gaming.com, tell them that Aaron sent you.

01:49:51.771 --> 01:49:54.844
but again, I, I, I've been playing a lot of call of duty.

01:49:54.844 --> 01:50:04.658
I've been playing a lot of pub G mobile, and this is honestly one of the best mobile gaming peripherals that I like.

01:50:04.658 --> 01:50:12.323
I didn't even think that I needed or wanted, and it's so helpful that this magnetic magnetic thumb stick stylus thing is so cool.

01:50:12.323 --> 01:50:15.231
Cause it just like, and magnetizes to your screen.

01:50:15.231 --> 01:50:23.201
So you just put it exactly where your your like little thumbstick is and you can it's it's so what's the word?

01:50:24.621 --> 01:50:25.757
Revolutionary.

01:50:25.783 --> 01:50:29.166
not revolutionary, was gonna say it's so, like you can customize it.

01:50:29.166 --> 01:50:32.798
It's so customizable for the individual.

01:50:33.099 --> 01:50:36.110
you, again, you don't have to use all the pieces.

01:50:36.110 --> 01:50:38.172
could travel with just the thumb stick.

01:50:38.172 --> 01:50:39.373
You can travel with just the grips.

01:50:39.373 --> 01:50:40.944
You can travel with just the link cable.

01:50:40.944 --> 01:50:43.025
It all goes with how you like to play.

01:50:43.025 --> 01:50:45.648
And that's why it's so awesome as a feature to have.

01:50:45.648 --> 01:50:46.729
So keep an eye out.

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I'm gonna be doing some more reviews, some more videos.

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Probably gonna be streaming pretty soon with this as I get things developed over on Twitch.

01:50:54.167 --> 01:50:56.189
for the Oblivion Bar Pod Twitch channel.

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So keep an eye out for that.

01:50:58.122 --> 01:51:02.365
And mobile gaming action can gonna be coming at you with the help of Puck Gaming.

01:51:02.365 --> 01:51:10.574
And again, go over there, send them an email, tag them on social media, tell them that the Oblivion Bar Pod and Better Action says hi, and go check them out for yourself.

01:51:10.574 --> 01:51:14.538
Cause I guarantee you, if you play mobile games, you won't be disappointed.

01:51:14.538 --> 01:51:18.322
And now let's go to my favorite part of the show, which is Chris's Corner.

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It's time for Chris's Corner.

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Alrighty this week for Chris's Corner we're talking about assorted crisis events as written by Dennis Camp illustrated by Eric Zawalski colors by Jordy Belair and lettered by Hossan Otsman Elham and this is an upcoming comic from Image it comes out on March 12th I got an early look well Aaron and I got an early look from Image shout out to Image for giving us early looks at their books and this is an awesome book now Dennis Camp has been doing a lot of great stuff recently he is also the writer of The Ultimates over at Marvel He also wrote 20th century men, which Aaron and have talked about many times where it is a sort of also somewhat of an anthology, sort of a different perspective.

01:52:05.903 --> 01:52:21.850
Every character in the story is sort of a different perspective of war, which is interesting, which is something we often omit when it comes to war stories, is sort of how war affects everyone differently and how, you know, multiple people can sort of view that conflict in different interesting ways.

01:52:21.951 --> 01:52:27.703
So assorted crisis events, an ongoing anthology series about the compromised clicks of our clocks.

01:52:27.703 --> 01:52:41.823
full on one shot stories, both beautiful and ugly, tragic and redemptive, surreal, and somehow all too familiar stories of people and reality in crisis, trying to keep it together while the world is falling apart, seconds twisted by seconds.

01:52:41.823 --> 01:52:44.355
So yeah, this is really cool.

01:52:44.355 --> 01:52:48.469
just, really intrigued and interested in the idea of assorted crisis events.

01:52:48.469 --> 01:52:50.189
The first issue is Immaculate.

01:52:50.189 --> 01:52:51.411
I absolutely loved it.

01:52:51.411 --> 01:53:02.603
It's basically about this girl sort of just trying to go about her regular day while a sort of DC crisis event is happening around her and how there are like, it's just, it's interesting.

01:53:02.603 --> 01:53:04.363
I don't want to spoil anything about this book.

01:53:04.363 --> 01:53:16.998
I want you to go in fully blind outside of that and how time is this interesting story construct where you kind of have to know where you're at in time to understand what's happening on the page, on the page.

01:53:16.998 --> 01:53:17.918
Right.

01:53:18.019 --> 01:53:18.609
It's great.

01:53:18.609 --> 01:53:21.841
Dennis Camp, I think is one of our great young writers in comics right now.

01:53:21.841 --> 01:53:24.942
He has sort of burst onto the scene again with Marvel's.

01:53:24.942 --> 01:53:28.582
uh, the ultimate and then obviously 20th century men and this.

01:53:29.221 --> 01:53:33.082
So yeah, he's also doing DC's Martian manhunter ultimate Martian manhunter.

01:53:33.082 --> 01:53:39.242
So if you're looking at his ultimate ultimate absolute, sorry, absolute Martian manner that's coming out, I think later this year.

01:53:39.242 --> 01:53:40.502
So keep an eye out for that.

01:53:40.502 --> 01:53:43.542
But again, assorted crisis events comes out on March 12th.

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Go give it a look.

01:53:44.381 --> 01:53:48.322
I've already pre-ordered it, put it on my poll list, very excited for it.

01:53:48.322 --> 01:53:49.822
Uh, and that'll do it for Chris's corner.

01:53:49.822 --> 01:53:53.381
Uh, and that'll do it for episode one 82 of the oblivion bar podcast.

01:53:53.381 --> 01:53:54.845
Aaron, we've done it once again.

01:53:54.845 --> 01:53:58.788
a movie review in the books and next week, another movie review.

01:53:58.788 --> 01:54:05.514
We're going to be talking about a movie that you and I have both seen and we haven't talked anything about it.

01:54:06.015 --> 01:54:08.657
Aaron's emulating a drum beating.

01:54:08.657 --> 01:54:17.304
We're going to be talking about the monkey, the brand new Oz Perkins film, new neon film, new horror film based on a Stephen King short story.

01:54:17.304 --> 01:54:21.938
It's currently getting pretty glaring reviews in terms of being all over the place.

01:54:21.938 --> 01:54:23.048
Some people are loving it.

01:54:23.048 --> 01:54:24.525
Some people are not loving it.

01:54:24.525 --> 01:54:34.426
And not only that, that's exciting to discuss, but also we're going to be joined by a good friend of the show, Eric Fett, who is the cohost of the Cryptid Camp podcast.

01:54:34.426 --> 01:54:36.605
She also has a giant following over on social media.

01:54:36.605 --> 01:54:37.405
She's a cosplayer.

01:54:37.405 --> 01:54:38.926
She does all the things.

01:54:39.286 --> 01:54:39.945
She's awesome.

01:54:39.945 --> 01:54:43.145
So we're excited to have her on the show to discuss the monkey.

01:54:43.145 --> 01:54:46.746
That'll be episode one 83 next week and that'll do it.

01:54:46.746 --> 01:54:48.358
there anything you want to say before we head out of here?

01:54:48.917 --> 01:55:05.684
Looking for that convert looking looking for that comfort looking forward to that conversation and to discuss this movie because I'm about to go read the short story that it's based off of because I As we've talked about recently need to know more This movie is interesting everybody.

01:55:05.684 --> 01:55:08.436
It's definitely, yeah, it's wild.

01:55:08.436 --> 01:55:13.542
It's one of those movies that you kind of, there's no, like you can listen to our review next week and we hope that you do.

01:55:13.542 --> 01:55:17.655
But I don't think you really can understand this movie unless you go see it yourself.

01:55:17.655 --> 01:55:22.569
There is no, there's no understanding this movie period, like not from a review, not from a person.

01:55:22.569 --> 01:55:29.323
This is a firsthand experience to understand movie and, it's, it is a wild one.

01:55:29.323 --> 01:55:31.104
And also to like get your own feelings on it.

01:55:31.104 --> 01:55:39.975
Like you can listen to Erin and I talk all day about what we thought about it, but it is a movie that you really honestly need to see yourself to like get a gauge on it.

01:55:39.975 --> 01:55:44.537
And I'm actually, really, excited to hear Erica's thoughts on it, cause she's very versed in horror.

01:55:44.537 --> 01:55:45.297
Like that's her thing.

01:55:45.297 --> 01:55:54.911
She loves horror and you I love horror, you love horror, but I think we all sort of approach the genre of horror in like a very different way, right?

01:55:54.911 --> 01:55:57.492
Like we all take different things.

01:55:57.492 --> 01:55:59.115
We all look for different things.

01:55:59.115 --> 01:56:00.095
That's what's interesting about horror.

01:56:00.095 --> 01:56:04.811
That's why it's such a fun genre to talk about because we all sort of, we gather different things from it.

01:56:04.811 --> 01:56:06.551
So great conversation.

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homework.

01:56:07.367 --> 01:56:08.140
Also do my homework.

01:56:08.140 --> 01:56:10.445
I need to finish long legs just to be aware.

01:56:10.445 --> 01:56:12.166
You should honestly watch long legs.

01:56:12.166 --> 01:56:14.145
Everyone, if you're listening to this, go watch long legs.

01:56:14.145 --> 01:56:18.105
That's Oz Perkins, recent film before the monkey.

01:56:18.126 --> 01:56:21.565
Also another movie that you kind of just have to see to believe.

01:56:21.725 --> 01:56:22.865
So, Aaron, that'll do it.

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Take us out of here.

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That'll do it.

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That'll do a pig.

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We will see you next week for our review of the monkey.

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But until then, see you later.

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