MOVIE REVIEW: Kraven the Hunter

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Hey, this is Ryan Stegman, artist of Venom, Superior Spider-Man, and Vanish, and you are listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Norris.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 177 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I'm Chris Hacker and I'm the Spider-Man that doesn't show up in any of these movies.

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And joining me is prisoner 8046, my co-host and BFF Aaron Knowles.

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Villains aren't born, they are made.

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I really wanted to do the intro in a Russian accent, but everyone, can't do accents.

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Aaron is here to that lose, You lose, you fool, you American scum.

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I my bird.

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I want my board.

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Tony.

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Tony there's blood in the water.

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There's blood.

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I want my board.

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Now every time I hear a Russian accent, I just think of Red Guardian.

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Yeah.

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Did you see a Thunderbolts trailer?

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No.

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For the movie today?

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I did.

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Very excited for it.

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It was for me, it was Brave New World.

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And is there a Sony movie in there anywhere?

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Usually Sony likes to attach their trailers.

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I wasn't paying attention companion, perhaps something like that.

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Anyway, everybody, we're talking about Craving the Hunter.

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little back story on why we're watching or why why we watch this movie, why we're reviewing it is because at the very beginning of the year, everyone, I told Aaron that I kind of wanted to review Madam Webb on the show just for this like sure comedy of it all.

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I want to just, you know, watch that.

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We all knew it could be bad.

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Like we were pretty sure that this is not going to be a good movie.

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And Aaron to, you know, to his chagrin, he was like, well, if we do Madam Web, we have to also talk about Craven the Hunter.

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And I was like, OK, fine.

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And then both of these movies were created and now we had to watch them and talk about them on the show.

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So consider this to be like a companion piece to the Madam Web review from earlier this year.

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I'm going to try and do this entire show.

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No, please.

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don't.

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No.

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OK, sorry.

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You can bring it in every once in a while.

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Fine.

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We love a bit here on the Oblivion by everybody.

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Love a bit.

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We love a bit.

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Aaron, quick deviation before we get into Craving the Hunter and our News and Notes.

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I want to talk quickly about last night.

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I went to go see Inistella 5555, the Daft Punk anime from the 90s that we all saw on Toonami and I own on DVD.

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It's like one of the three DVDs that I own in my entire movie collection.

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I'm kind of a snob when it comes to movie collecting.

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I only collect Blu-rays and 4Ks and all the things.

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But my partner, Olivia and I went to go see this movie at AMC.

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They're showing it for a couple of days.

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for the anniversary.

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think it's 30 year anniversary for the film.

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Had she seen it before?

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She had never seen it before.

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Had she had, is she a Daft Punk fan?

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She is a very passive Daft Punk fan.

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She likes some songs.

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You know, she's like most people that when you tell them, when you tell them that you love Daft Punk, they're like, I've never heard Daft Punk.

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And then you play them three songs.

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They're like, I know that song.

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I'm like, yeah, of course you know that song.

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didn't, didn't, yeah, they must've taken that from that Kanye song.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I've heard stronger by Kanye West.

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Yeah.

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death punks in that music video everybody and it was their song originally.

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Point being is that we went to go see this movie last night packed crowd to almost completely full.

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It was rumored.

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I was hoping that this wasn't gonna be like a distracting feature and Aaron, my feelings, our feelings on AI in a creative setting.

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We just talked about it on the grid just last night.

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New episode, episode one 45 everybody.

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AI in the creative world is mostly not great.

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I would say almost always not great.

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And it had been rumored that this movie had been upscaled to 4K with AI.

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I thought, man, I'm really going to kick myself if I go, if I don't go to this remastering reshow, re-release of Innistela 5555.

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And we get there, Aaron.

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And let me tell you everybody, it was soul crushing how terrible this viewing experience was.

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no.

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Because of how distracting the AI upscaling was.

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Like all, all the bad stuff, everything that I was worried about.

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was bold and in your face throughout this movie.

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So it just pretty much reaffirmed how much I hated the idea of AI being in these movies.

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Can you give an example?

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Yes.

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you know, of course, going back to the 90s, this movie is an anime from the 90s that was created for TVs that were not supposed to ever be shown at a higher capacity of like 720p.

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Like that was like the highest quality you're ever going to get.

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So like a lot of the backgrounds were like sort of blurred out or like very, very like minimally legible.

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And when you do the 4K remastered clarity version, all of that becomes very obvious.

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So like a lot of the signs in the background or like movement by characters that are like not well done, they come in either blurry or the letters come in as like hieroglyphics because they were never legible letters to begin with.

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So stuff like that.

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And then like mouth movements and things like, like it's very, it's very obvious.

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Everyone, if you go, if you, I think they're going to release this on 4K, like as a physical piece of media.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't recommend spending money on this, if you somehow get your hands on this 4k restoration, check it out because this is the problem.

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And this is our issue with AI being used in like a cinematic creative form.

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I hope that they release this.

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If they do, like when they do put it on 4k, I hope they do what some of them do offer.

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And that's like offer like the original version.

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Yes.

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So that you don't have to watch it because that's one thing again, like one of my favorites, anime is, is Akira.

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And I hate.

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the more recent dubbing that they've done.

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I don't like to watch things in-dubbed.

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It's partially because of, I want to say it was like 2005 or something when they re-dubbed it and it was like all the names were completely pronounced differently.

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And I'm just like a traditionalist in that sense.

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And so, but they do offer like the original dubbing as one of the options.

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So I hope that they offer the non AI version of this.

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That's unfortunate.

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honestly, That hurts me because I know how much you love this.

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I enjoy it also.

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I did want to go see it, kind of glad that I didn't now.

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Yeah, as well as the fact that that's just I was like that your story had me like thinking that there was gonna be like a twist ending like excitement.

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It was all great.

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It amazing.

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They did it like they fucking did.

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It's the first time.

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It's been amazing.

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And like, you know, like I was like, OK, but no, no, no, this it shit.

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This story shit the bed like most sci fi, a I influenced stories.

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The A.I.

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won in the worst way possible.

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But anyway, everybody, we're we're beating around the bush here this week.

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We're obviously talking about Craven the Hunter, the fifth and final Sony Spider-Man spinoff.

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And we'll get into why this is the final one in the Sony Spider-Man universe.

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That's right.

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All right, let's go ahead and get into our news and notes.

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and notes.

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All right, he's starting us off here with our first piece of news.

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We have Chris Evans version of Steve Rogers.

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Aaron will be in Avengers Doomsday and reportedly his role has been secretly announced.

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So spoiler alert, if you do not want to know anything about Avengers Doomsday, totally get it.

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Fortunately, Aaron and I are in the business of knowing these things, which is sort of good and sort of bad at the same time, but spoiler alert.

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So if you don't want any of this news, I would skip maybe two or three minutes ahead.

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That way you don't know what we talk about.

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But for those that do want to know, The news comes out from a trusted Hollywood insider, Jeff Schneider, speaking to the Hot Mic podcast.

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Schneider said, I've heard who the character is.

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I was having a conversation today with someone apparently high up at Marvel and Disney and they mentioned Nomad.

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Now Nomad for everybody who doesn't know is an alternate version of Steve Rogers at one point in, this is in the 1970s version of the comics, 1974 specifically.

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Captain America 180, which was written by Steve Engelhardt, illustrated by Sal Bushema.

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In the storyline, Steve abandons his Captain America moniker after losing faith in the US government and becomes the man serving no country.

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Now, Aaron, this was rumored to be leading up to Avengers Endgame a couple of years ago when you see this version of Chris Evans as Captain America, where he has the star removed from his suit from the end of Captain America Civil War.

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He basically doesn't have the shield.

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He has his like Black Panther arm guards.

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He's got the long hair and the beard.

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just basically doesn't look like Steve Rogers anymore.

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The coloring on his suit is no longer red and white.

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It's just it's all dulled out.

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It's almost it almost looks like his stealth suit.

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But you could see where it's kind of like he took out the red part.

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So it's just like, you know, just all dulled down.

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So he's obviously trying to very much distance himself from the American flag.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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And a lot of people were sort of.

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speculating even back then, this is around 2017, 2018, that Captain America would be adopting the moniker Nomad in the movies.

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But of course, it's not really touched on as we know in Infinity War, Captain America is sort of the side character he's barely even talked about.

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And then by the time we get to end game, he re adopts the Captain America moniker after having a sort of come to Jesus moment with Tony there in the front of the Avengers facility.

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So while this is just a rumor, I've also heard this sort of over the last couple of months when that was sort of confirmed that Chris Evans was coming back.

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Obviously, he came back in Deadpool Wolverine as a version of Johnny Storm from the Fantastic Four movies from the 2000s.

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Very funny moment in that movie.

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Aaron loves that part.

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I love it so much.

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I just love Chris Evans.

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We all fucking know that.

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Yes.

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And also, I love how he's my hall pass.

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Same.

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Same.

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When fucking a mirror mirror image.

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Whatever.

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If anything, I'm like a I'm like trying to look like him.

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It's almost weird.

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to a certain extent.

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I squint.

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I would never.

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I'm I'm I look like Chris Evans after a couple of shots and like a couple of beers like you look at me.

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If I'm buddy, let's have a look.

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Let's go for it in a dark bar from across the room.

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You're like, is that maybe?

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I don't know.

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Like he's he doesn't have a Boston accent.

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And I'm on the other side.

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I'm like, don't bother.

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It's a disappointment.

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I will say that like Deadpool, Wolverine, I love how when he's talking like when it comes to fruition that this version of Johnny Storm was talking a bunch of shit about.

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What's her name?

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Cassie Cassidy, Nova Cassidy or Cassidy?

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Whatever the Cassandra Cassandra Nova.

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There it is.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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When he's talking shit about Cassandra Nova, he has like a very strong Boston accent, which is anyway, the longest short of it is Chris Evans will be back as a version of Captain America.

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And what are your thoughts on this?

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So I read something the other day that was saying, like, is this just an act of desperation to bring relevance into this new phase of the MCU with with Tony Stark and You know, with Chris Evans coming back, you know, with, you know, Robert Starr, Robert Downey Jr.

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We don't know if it's Tony Stark.

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True.

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Let me rephrase that.

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Robert Downey Jr.

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Thank you.

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Motherfucker.

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And Chris, Chris, Chris Evans.

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So like, that's the thing is like, is this a cash grab?

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Is this them kind of being fearful about the future of the MCU?

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We're going to see.

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mean, who knows?

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Short answer is yes.

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Short answer is yes.

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Long answer is it could have been planned.

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Do we know?

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We'll never know.

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Just fucking go with it.

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Who cares?

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I agree.

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I'm excited to see whatever they come up with.

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Am I nervous?

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Of course.

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For Doomsday and Secret Wars.

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We say this every fucking property that comes out.

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We say this now with the MCU.

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It's becoming redundant.

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We are nervous, but we're ready.

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They have our money.

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Our tickets are bought for the MCU through 2026.

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We got like season passes for the rest of our life.

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We are both wearing Marvel shirts currently.

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Aaron's actually wearing a Marvel logo.

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Hashtag not a sponsor.

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It will be tattooed on me later.

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Yes.

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I'm wearing a Silver Surfer shirt for everybody who wants to know.

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Aaron, let's get into the other house.

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The other part of the big two.

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I mean, it's not the house of mouse because that's Marvel.

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The House of Rat Mouse.

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House of No Mouse.

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Mike Flanagan's Clayface movie is getting officially greenlit at DC Studios, which is amazing.

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Flanagan, who you'll know from Dr.

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Sleep, The Haunting of Bly Manor, Midnight Mass, only wrote the script for the film.

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So unfortunately he won't be directing the film because he's working on his 2026 Exorcist film.

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But DC Studios is now on the hunt for a director for the property.

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Flanagan previously shared that he would...

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be really keen to do a standalone Clayface movie as a horror thriller tragedy, which I think is a great kind of like dissection of what a Clayface movie should be.

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You know, shout out, go check out.

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It's the one shot of Clayface.

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What's that one book?

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Crystal, look it up real quick.

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They did a couple of them.

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They did one for the Riddler.

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They did one for- Kelly and Jackson Lansing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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One bad day.

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One bad day.

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The Clayface one.

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Read that.

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That is a perfect- All of those are really great, but yeah, they're amazing.

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I personally loved Clayface's version like the most out of all of them.

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anyways, Flanagan later shared that he actually pitched the movie to Warner Brothers saying, I wanted to talk about Scarecrow, Justice League Dark and Constantine.

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And I kind of threw everything up there and then said, as a child, I used to dress up as Superman because that was my hero.

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Christopher Reeves Superman was my hero.

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And the meeting kind of went nowhere.

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Warner Brothers didn't really grab onto any of that stuff.

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Yeah, this is cool.

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I like the fact that they're going to be including some villain backstories or maybe even standalone films in the DC universe, because we've never actually never gotten that in the MCU.

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Like, of course, we've gotten villains that we really like, like Loki.

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And you've got Killmonger, of course.

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Thanos has obviously got some.

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you talking about?

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We're about to talk about one today.

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I mean, sure.

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Maybe Sony is showing us why we don't need Marvel villain movies, I guess.

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But I mean, venom.

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Come on.

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Right.

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but I will say that since.

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Mike Flanagan is not going to be directing this film.

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Can I throw out a couple of names, Aaron, that I'd like to see direct this film?

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Sam Raimi.

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That would be well, sure.

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Honestly, anything Sam Raimi wants to do.

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I'm for it because he's done enough good in the world.

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But like, I feel like Multiverse of Madness has sort of dulled my excitement on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.

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Well, mean, Sam Raimi did Spider-Man, of course, he was all incredible and Evil Dead.

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And he's done a lot of great stuff.

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But like Multiverse of Madness kind of I'm not as excited anymore.

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I will say Oz Perkins who did Long Legs.

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He's doing The Monkey in 2025.

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Go back to our most anticipated films of 2025 for that, our thought process on that film coming out eventually.

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I also really liked Aaron.

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went and saw the 824 film Heretic.

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I don't know if you've heard of that one.

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I'm getting ready to watch that one because I have heard some amazing things.

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It is very good.

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Hugh Grant, Sophie Thatcher, Chloe East, Topher Grace is in that movie speaking of Spider-Man, but Love that movie.

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Very, good.

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It was an instant 4k buy, but that is directed by Scott Beck and Brian Woods.

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I would love to see them tackle Clayface over in the DC, DC studios or DC universe, whatever.

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So I would honestly, Mike Flanagan involved.

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I'm bored.

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Like you said, you were, said you were excited about earlier.

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Same from me, Aaron, let's get into our last bit of news and sort of ties into our main topic here, which is sort of hilarious and ironic at the same time.

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Sony Pictures pulls the plug on the Spider-Man universe spinoffs after Craven the Hunter.

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You lose.

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There's blood in the water.

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Sony Pictures upcoming Marvel movie, Craven the Hunter will be the last Spider-Man universe spinoff film for the time being.

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Every other project outside of that that involves Spider-Man will be canceled effective immediately.

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The news comes from The Rapt, which says the studio is completely focused on Spider-Man.

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The top talent agent said they developed what they want to develop for now.

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It is it's really only about Spider-Man going forward when talking about the issues of the Spider-Man spinoff films.

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Another insider shared the biggest issue, and this is going to be very obvious to you, by the way, the biggest issue with the spidey Spider-Man spinoff seems to be the lack of quality control.

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They went on to say the movies aren't very good.

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Sometimes the lack of quality meets a movie.

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No one asked for which was the case with that web and which was a no win scenario.

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It may be time for Sony to start.

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Cultivating different IP to launch new franchises.

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Hey Sony No fucking shit.

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None of us wanted any of this.

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We didn't want Madame Webb I think for the most part even though I think venom has made money overall No one really wanted anything past the first one.

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I know I didn't Aaron.

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What I'm gonna watch the new one I'm still gonna watch the new one.

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I haven't yet I'm still gonna watch it because the movies to go see it though.

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I didn't know no not at all, But I have to watch it because I need to know Why people seem to love what I have heard has been a huge seeming log of shit.

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People love it.

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I've heard that people I heard it made fucking money.

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It was like a ton of money.

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Yeah.

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So why did it make so much money if it was dog shit?

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I think if that's a good question here and I was about to say if you throw Spider-Man on anything, it's probably going to make at least a little bit of money.

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But as we've seen from Adam Webb and as we'll we'll talk about here with Craving the Hunter, which spoiler alert, it's going to.

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make the least amount of money of any of these movies.

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That's not always the case just because it has Spider-Man involved in some way where to be completely honest, Craven the Hunter barely references Spider-Man in the movie in like a very, very loose way.

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And Madame Web, you have, what's name?

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Sidney Sweeney show up in a Spider-Man suit at one point.

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That's really about it.

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And also you have like the bad looking Spider-Man guy, which makes no sense.

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But point being is this makes sense.

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I'm happy about this.

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I'm glad that they're done with these movies.

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We'll get into it.

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Let's I'll tell you what, instead of beating around the bush, let's just get into it.

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Everybody dive right in.

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I'm fucking ready.

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Let's let's not put this off any further.

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That'll do it for our news.

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And that's this week.

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Let's go ahead and get into our review of Craven the Hunter.

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Me too.

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Alrighty, let's talk about Craven the Hunter.

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Spoilers ahead, everybody.

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If you want to go see Craven the Hunter, if you're one of the 17 people that have wanted to see Craven the Hunter and haven't yet, spoilers ahead.

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So 16 others besides me.

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Aaron, initial thoughts on Craven the Hunter?

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If you muted it, I would actually enjoy it.

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OK, explain.

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Honestly, you're going to hate me for saying this.

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I really liked it, but the dialogue was so shitty.

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You know what's funny, Aaron, is that to go into my initial thoughts, I didn't hate it.

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Like, it's not terrible.

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It's not.

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That's not definitely not as bad as Madam Webb.

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Yeah, I think it's better than Venom 2.

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I think it's better than Venom 3 for sure.

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I'd say it's probably as good if not maybe even slightly better than Venom 1.

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Mm hmm.

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Thoughts are similar.

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I would agree with that.

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I would agree with that.

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Absolutely.

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Don't hear what we're not saying, everybody.

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This is not a good movie.

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OK, but it is the best version of this kind of movie.

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Yes.

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Right.

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That's a great.

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Woo.

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That is a great, great way to say it.

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Sony, you've done it.

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Congratulations.

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You finally figured it out.

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Wow.

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Before you lose.

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yeah.

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OK, everybody.

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Yeah, this is not it's not unwatchable.

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Like it's thrown.

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It is.

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You know, Aaron Taylor Johnson.

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I like him in this movie.

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I like him in the role.

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I think I don't know if it's just because Aaron Taylor Johnson is one of the five hottest people in the world.

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But I liked him like in this movie and I liked him in the role mostly because he's just Aaron Taylor Johnson.

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He's not Craven the Hunter at least.

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And I probably should admit off the top everybody.

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I'm not some Craven the Hunter aficionado.

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I don't know everything about Craven the Hunter.

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I've read Craven's last time like we all have.

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Like honestly I know about surface level info as everybody else when it comes to Craven the Hunter.

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But like you know I like the interpretation and I Russell Crowe just doing his Russian accent.

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Yeah, I was fine with it.

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He wasn't terrible.

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Like I liked him better in this than I did the mummy, for instance.

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Yes.

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So all I want you to do is I want everybody right now, if you're listening to this, I want you to go to Google and I want you to Google kick ass.

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And then I want you to Google Craven versions of Aaron in this movie.

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OK.

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And I want you to not get a boner, a lady boner, a man boner.

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Whatever kind of owner you have, whatever kind of boner you get.

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I want you to try not to because like look the glow up on this fucking guy.

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Tonya go again.

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Like Aaron just said, go back to kick ass.

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Look at what a fucking dweeb Aaron Taylor Johnson is in that movie.

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And then go to this movie.

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Did you know that his abs are real?

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None of that CGI.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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You could wash your laundry on those things.

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All right, Aaron, let's this everybody.

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We should probably pre warn everyone.

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This is not going to be a crazy in-depth review.

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We're not going to get into the intellectual complexities of Craven and the Rhino and the Chameleon in this review.

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I think for the most part, when it comes to movies like this, Aaron, I don't like to lay into them.

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You know, obviously, as we said at the beginning, this is not an incredible film.

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However, I do want to highlight some interesting parts of this.

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We're not going to shy away from the bad parts, of course.

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But I think for the most part, there are like interesting tidbits.

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And I think that and I want to hear your thoughts of this, Aaron.

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I think that there are like small nuggets of cool things in this that could have been good.

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I'm just going to tell you again, other than the shittiest, some of the shittiest dialogue that I ever heard.

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Audio dubbing and dubbing.

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yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Shitty dubbing, shitty dialogue.

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Other than that, and like some some just choices that were made with what the characters are doing in some of the scenes.

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Other than that, honestly, I really fucking like the movie.

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I really like the fucking movie.

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Let's let's be careful.

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Let's not say really like.

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OK, no, I did.

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had I did.

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I'm not that's why I'm telling you I was going to surprise.

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I'm trying not to build.

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I know I'm getting really excited and probably talking way too loud right now.

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OK, but like these are exciting times.

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These are exciting times.

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I did not want to like just jump into it because I wanted to kind of get the back and forth going the banter here.

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But I really had a good time with this movie when he is doing like his craven movements like he's doing the animalistic movements when he's doing across roof.

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Yeah, the cravenness.

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He's running across rooftops.

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He's climbing up walls.

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He's bending shit.

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I'm just like, holy shit.

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Like they did a great job with that.

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It didn't feel stupid.

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It didn't feel over exaggerated.

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It didn't feel like shitty CGI.

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It was really cool.

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Like I would love to see more of this in tons of other like situations, you know?

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Yeah, I agree.

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I when Craven's doing a doing a hunt, love that when Rhino is doing a scheme and looking for a partner, I'm kind of on board for that.

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Like I know we don't get...

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Will you be my partner?

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I'm looking for a partner.

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Like when all that's happening, I'm into it, you know, and we'll get to the cast here in just a moment, the director and all that.

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But Aaron, I'd love for you to give the folks at home the summary to this film.

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Do it in a Russian accent as well.

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know you want to.

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Craven's complex relationship with his ruthless father, Nikolai Kravinov, starts him down the path of vengeance with brutal consequences.

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Motivating him to not to become not only the greatest hunter in the world, but also one of its most feared.

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Is that good?

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That was pretty good.

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I like that.

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you.

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Thank you.

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So here's here's I just want to throw this out there.

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Okay, the entire the entire The entire movie.

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Yeah, they're trying to figure out who the hunter is Nobody's heard the name Craven.

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Okay, nobody's heard the name Craven How fucking hard is it to figure it out that this dude's his name's fucking Craven off?

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The entire time it kept bothering me.

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Like how do you fucking not figure this out?

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Cravin', cravin' off.

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Cravin', cravin' off.

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That's it.

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Einhorn is Finkle.

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Finkle is Einhorn.

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Einhorn is a man! my God! Einhorn is a man! Okay.

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A little Ace Ventura for you.

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Yeah.

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I'm trying to think.

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Okay.

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So in the beginning of movie, basically we get an intro of Kraven being thrown into prison to essentially he's like was caught on purpose to kill someone within prison.

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And then we get a time, we get a time jump backwards about 18 years where we sort of get the actual backstory of Craven and his brother.

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And then we get, and it's funny, one of the most jarring parts of this movie, I think, is how once we get back to present day, we just go right back to the moment of Craven in the plane leaving the prison.

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Like we just, we just time jumped backwards for 20 years for about 20 minutes.

00:26:07.247 --> 00:26:09.347
And when they would come right back to present day.

00:26:09.488 --> 00:26:12.930
Did you like, did you find that jarring at all or were you just along for the ride?

00:26:12.930 --> 00:26:14.240
I was just along for the ride.

00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:27.692
But the thing that fucking bothered me about the, the time jumps and stuff is, like, especially whenever they're traveling in this movie, the thing that's jarring to me is that they never are like specific about where they are.

00:26:27.692 --> 00:26:31.074
They're just like Northern Russia, Eastern Russia.

00:26:31.074 --> 00:26:39.246
Like they don't give like a place like North, like North America fucking, it's like, it's like, they don't fucking give you a place of like where they're at.

00:26:39.246 --> 00:26:41.916
It's like, we understand like Eastern Russia.

00:26:41.916 --> 00:26:44.057
It's probably like, I don't know, Croatia.

00:26:44.057 --> 00:26:44.347
I don't know.

00:26:44.347 --> 00:26:45.258
I don't know.

00:26:45.334 --> 00:26:48.295
I guess cold, like it's like Serbia.

00:26:48.295 --> 00:26:53.076
Like they say they say like Serbia, but they're like, you know, it's far east Russia.

00:26:53.076 --> 00:26:56.797
OK, this movie, I want to go back and what you said earlier about the CGI.

00:26:56.797 --> 00:26:57.997
I tend to disagree a little bit.

00:26:57.997 --> 00:27:09.800
I think the CGI is pretty horrific in this movie, but I don't know if I necessarily blame anyone but the budget and Sony specifically, but also like this movie could have used another 100 million dollars and I think it would have looked OK.

00:27:09.800 --> 00:27:19.968
Now, part of reason why I bring all that up is because like you said, they go to like Ghana at one point at the beginning of the film where you know Craven and his family, his brother and his father are out hunting.

00:27:19.968 --> 00:27:21.509
He gets that lion blood in him.

00:27:21.509 --> 00:27:25.021
But like it's people acting like they're in the jungle when they're not.

00:27:25.021 --> 00:27:26.755
Or they're in the Sahara and they're not.

00:27:26.755 --> 00:27:28.237
Nobody's even fucking sweating.

00:27:28.237 --> 00:27:29.180
It's so clear.

00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:29.317
Yes.

00:27:29.317 --> 00:27:32.481
It's so clear as day that they're on a green screen set.

00:27:32.481 --> 00:27:32.863
Yeah.

00:27:32.863 --> 00:27:36.096
And it's not even like they're trying to not act like that's what it is.

00:27:36.096 --> 00:27:37.326
Everyone's really clean.

00:27:37.326 --> 00:27:38.906
Like you said, no one's sweating.

00:27:38.906 --> 00:27:40.186
No one's like dirty.

00:27:40.186 --> 00:27:41.617
There's no wind even.

00:27:41.617 --> 00:27:43.107
Like it's just green screen.

00:27:43.107 --> 00:27:46.858
And it's like that really terrible effect where like the background is blurry.

00:27:46.858 --> 00:27:48.047
You know what talking about?

00:27:48.047 --> 00:27:51.250
And like the person in the foreground is very, very clear, almost like crystal clear.

00:27:51.250 --> 00:27:54.391
It's so not in camera and so obvious that this is like a set.

00:27:54.391 --> 00:28:00.752
This is like the initial scene where we meet Calypso and her grandmother.

00:28:00.752 --> 00:28:01.792
Great name, the way.

00:28:01.792 --> 00:28:04.248
First off, OK, here's a note.

00:28:04.248 --> 00:28:07.059
You're going to be somebody if your name is Calypso.

00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:14.005
No parent, no, I don't give a fuck how rich or how whatever hoity-toity you are.

00:28:14.005 --> 00:28:18.548
No parent will call their kid the entire full name.

00:28:18.548 --> 00:28:18.897
Yeah.

00:28:18.897 --> 00:28:19.929
All the time.

00:28:19.929 --> 00:28:21.608
Like it's going to be Cali.

00:28:21.789 --> 00:28:23.550
It's going to be like Poe.

00:28:23.550 --> 00:28:24.372
See.

00:28:24.372 --> 00:28:25.412
Lipsy.

00:28:26.053 --> 00:28:27.153
Lipsy.

00:28:27.153 --> 00:28:29.434
Something like, yeah, see Cali.

00:28:29.434 --> 00:28:31.676
Something like nobody's going to be like Calypso.

00:28:31.676 --> 00:28:32.416
Calypso.

00:28:32.416 --> 00:28:32.958
Calypso.

00:28:32.958 --> 00:28:33.958
Calypso.

00:28:34.210 --> 00:28:39.771
You know, it's like it's so to me that there's again and then the dubbing between the girl and her grandma, the clips on her grandma.

00:28:39.771 --> 00:28:49.773
And then the whole fucking thing with like, first off, nobody with a tarot card deck is just going to give one card away because and then carry that same deck around for decades because now you're missing a fucking card.

00:28:49.773 --> 00:28:50.122
Sorry.

00:28:50.122 --> 00:28:51.994
I'm just to like, God damn it.

00:28:51.994 --> 00:28:53.795
Like these are there's some small glaring things.

00:28:53.795 --> 00:28:58.116
But again, other than the stupid shit that's glaring, I thought it was a pretty cool movie.

00:28:58.116 --> 00:29:03.627
But is it is it like a are we talking about like a a difference of expectations?

00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:13.309
Like we go into these movies and we think for the most part, we're like wanting to go to be entertained and we have like certain standards that we go into and go, if this movie, it doesn't do this and this and this wrong, right.

00:29:13.390 --> 00:29:15.180
Then I'm going to be disappointed.

00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:22.410
But I think because you and I and everyone that probably goes to see this movie over the next two or three weeks is expecting it to be terrible.

00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:25.240
Maybe the fact that they do some things okay.

00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.009
We're like, wow.

00:29:27.009 --> 00:29:29.569
I actually had a decent time with that movie, right?

00:29:29.569 --> 00:29:31.490
I think that's really what we're talking about, to be honest.

00:29:31.490 --> 00:29:33.382
Like none of this is good.

00:29:33.385 --> 00:29:35.826
None of this is good people.

00:29:35.887 --> 00:29:40.191
But like the fact that some of it's not outright terrible makes it like enjoyable.

00:29:40.191 --> 00:29:48.056
So I just think, you know, again, I went pretty much opening night and I think there was maybe like 10 people in the theater with me.

00:29:48.296 --> 00:30:00.276
So for me, it's like I didn't expect, I didn't, you know, like I, especially after Madam Webb, I didn't go into this thinking at all that this was going to be quality, but I was pleasantly surprised with how good this stuff was that I did enjoy.

00:30:00.276 --> 00:30:00.974
All right.

00:30:00.974 --> 00:30:03.192
Well, Aaron, actually, this is not the first time.

00:30:03.192 --> 00:30:08.855
that we've tried to get Craven in this universe, not only this universe, but also kind of the MCU as well.

00:30:08.855 --> 00:30:12.989
So here are some of the attempts that they had to bring Craven the Hunter onto the big screen.

00:30:12.989 --> 00:30:20.152
We have Sam Raimi speaking of, he wanted to bring him, integrate him into the Spider-Man 4 movie that ended up not being made.

00:30:20.374 --> 00:30:24.156
We also have Craven's spear appeared in the Amazing Spider-Man number two.

00:30:24.156 --> 00:30:32.551
Now everyone remember at the end of that movie, it's basically just a setup for the eventual Accenture 6 film that they've been wanting to make since like 2012.

00:30:32.685 --> 00:30:34.386
Sony, of course, never got there.

00:30:34.386 --> 00:30:35.906
So you lose.

00:30:35.906 --> 00:30:37.507
You lose, Sony.

00:30:39.067 --> 00:30:45.769
We've got in the MCU Ryan Coogler actually wanted to include him in Black Panther, the first one, really taking inspiration from Christopher Priest.

00:30:45.769 --> 00:30:49.851
Excellent Black Panther run from back in the day, but they couldn't secure the rights from Sony.

00:30:49.851 --> 00:30:54.011
Sony didn't want to give him up probably because Sony wanted to include Craven in their movies.

00:30:54.311 --> 00:30:59.134
And then John Watts wanted to include Craven as a backup villain in Spider-Man No Way Home.

00:30:59.134 --> 00:31:03.038
But of course, again, rights couldn't be secured and also the multiverse.

00:31:03.038 --> 00:31:04.499
So fuck Sony.

00:31:04.499 --> 00:31:08.440
Sony is just always doing the worst, know, just being the biggest villain of them all.

00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:08.759
They are.

00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.381
They're their own sinister six.

00:31:10.381 --> 00:31:13.102
And it's the six executives that make all these decisions.

00:31:13.102 --> 00:31:14.162
Yeah.

00:31:14.162 --> 00:31:14.491
OK.

00:31:14.491 --> 00:31:19.943
This is the sixth, as we said earlier, the sixth Sony Spider-Man film or otherwise known as the SSU.

00:31:19.943 --> 00:31:22.163
Have you been calling it the SSU the entire time?

00:31:22.163 --> 00:31:23.085
No.

00:31:23.134 --> 00:31:23.664
OK.

00:31:23.664 --> 00:31:26.125
It's called the shitty Spider-Man movies.

00:31:26.125 --> 00:31:27.006
Yeah.

00:31:27.874 --> 00:31:28.763
The SSM.

00:31:28.763 --> 00:31:30.255
I it is the SSU.

00:31:30.954 --> 00:31:32.674
The shitty Spider-Man universe.

00:31:32.674 --> 00:31:33.829
All right.

00:31:33.829 --> 00:31:35.635
Well, Craven the Hunter was presumably inspired.

00:31:35.635 --> 00:31:45.318
The character of Craven the Hunter was inspired by Richard Connell's 1924 short story, The Most Dangerous Game, about a Russian aristocrat who hunts people for challenge.

00:31:45.318 --> 00:31:53.540
This is in the debut of The Amazing Spider-Man number 15 from August of 1964, of course, written by Stan the Man Lee and illustrated by Steve Ditko.

00:31:53.540 --> 00:31:57.041
Craven refers to Spider-Man as the most dangerous game.

00:31:57.185 --> 00:32:05.021
That's kind of like the overarching conflict between Craven and Spider-Man in the comics is that Spider-Man is just a game to Craven.

00:32:05.021 --> 00:32:09.494
Yeah, they have no other backstory or reason to hate each other.

00:32:09.494 --> 00:32:15.338
It's just that Spider-Man doesn't want to get killed and Craven wants to hunt him because no one's ever been able to kill Spider-Man.

00:32:15.338 --> 00:32:16.492
I want a spider.

00:32:16.492 --> 00:32:17.240
I'm not spider.

00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.042
I want a Craven versus Predator comic.

00:32:20.042 --> 00:32:21.323
That would be cool.

00:32:21.523 --> 00:32:25.326
I think that Frank would just murder Craven.

00:32:25.521 --> 00:32:29.924
I think he would just mow him down with a not not not punisher.

00:32:30.306 --> 00:32:32.218
I a predator like sorry.

00:32:32.218 --> 00:32:32.607
Sorry.

00:32:32.607 --> 00:32:33.759
I don't know why I heard punisher.

00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.210
Sorry Predator.

00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:35.691
got it.

00:32:35.691 --> 00:32:36.971
Well that can't happen now.

00:32:36.971 --> 00:32:47.540
I think there was one where it was like The punisher was going after spider-man and I think that the I think it might have been the cartoon like craven was involved in it or something There's something going on with it.

00:32:47.540 --> 00:32:48.280
Very possible.

00:32:48.280 --> 00:33:01.032
Yeah, I mean that I will say that like in the comics and I hate saying this everybody just I don't like to be the well actually guy on the show, apparently I'm just wearing that hat going forward.

00:33:01.032 --> 00:33:03.933
like Craven in the comics is unpowered.

00:33:03.933 --> 00:33:05.094
He is a normal man.

00:33:05.094 --> 00:33:07.895
He is just a very, very talented hunter.

00:33:07.895 --> 00:33:09.006
And I like that idea.

00:33:09.006 --> 00:33:14.778
I like that he's just a normal guy that is just obsessed with the game, right?

00:33:14.877 --> 00:33:23.682
I get why they made Aaron Taylor Johnson's character powered to give him a shot against the rhino and to make him really cool outside of just being super hot and ripped.

00:33:23.682 --> 00:33:24.813
Like he also has powers.

00:33:24.813 --> 00:33:25.482
Isn't that cool?

00:33:25.482 --> 00:33:26.044
Right.

00:33:26.044 --> 00:33:28.032
But like I kind of like issues.

00:33:28.032 --> 00:33:30.446
It's got some daddy issues as we all do.

00:33:30.446 --> 00:33:30.977
I get it.

00:33:30.977 --> 00:33:41.503
Or, know, but like I just kind of wish that they would have left him depowered because it makes him more interesting because he has to sort of rely on his wit as like a punisher has to in the comics and in the shows as well.

00:33:41.503 --> 00:33:44.576
Like he has to rely on his wit to a certain extent.

00:33:44.576 --> 00:33:51.280
So the original release date for this film was January 13th, 2023, but it was delayed two years.

00:33:51.280 --> 00:33:53.422
The first delay was in October.

00:33:53.422 --> 00:33:58.481
October 6th, 2023 following the year long delay for whatever reason, there really isn't disclosed.

00:33:58.481 --> 00:34:03.801
And then August 30th this year from the strikes, the SAG after strikes.

00:34:03.902 --> 00:34:08.391
So and then of course it was delayed until December 13th, which is where we got it.

00:34:08.391 --> 00:34:13.402
So Aaron, let's talk about the director who I actually think is a pretty talented filmmaker.

00:34:13.402 --> 00:34:13.992
Yeah.

00:34:13.992 --> 00:34:15.101
You got J.C.

00:34:15.101 --> 00:34:21.481
Chandor who, you know, 2011 margin call, 2013 all is lost.

00:34:21.661 --> 00:34:38.409
2014 of most Violent year and then 2019 triple frontier, which I can honestly I haven't watched any of those so I don't really have too much of experience with his directing style But chandler was nominated for best original screenplay for margin call.

00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:43.409
Yeah, i've actually seen a most violent year It is one of my favorite sort of dark horse a24 films.

00:34:43.409 --> 00:34:51.750
It's one of the earlier ones came out again in 2014 So this is the early days of a24 stars oscar isaac and jessica chastain Really good movie.

00:34:51.750 --> 00:35:03.130
It's basically about Oscar Isaacs is part, it's, it's kind of like a modern day Godfather where Oscar Isaacs is part of this crime family and he has sort of grip with, does he take over the family business or does he sort of go a different way?

00:35:03.130 --> 00:35:04.501
So really, really good.

00:35:04.501 --> 00:35:07.344
I have not seen any of the other films, but as you said, I take that back.

00:35:07.344 --> 00:35:17.992
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I have seen triple frontier, which is, it was Ben Affleck, Oscar Isaac, Charlie Hoonum, Garrett Headland and Pedro Pascal as there.

00:35:17.992 --> 00:35:22.505
So they're a group of, out Delta force, like special forces operators.

00:35:22.615 --> 00:35:28.967
who reunite, they do a heist because one of them is basically working with, he's like, works with a security agency.

00:35:28.967 --> 00:35:34.510
There's this human trafficker drug cartel boss that's like in this house, this mansion in the jungle.

00:35:34.510 --> 00:35:37.389
And so one of them's like, hey, I'm gonna hire all you guys.

00:35:37.389 --> 00:35:50.039
We're gonna go and basically kick ass and take all this money because we're all, these are all like, know, veterans, like Ben Affleck's character is like an ex, so he's like an ex special forces operator who's now- fly.

00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:51.471
He's like a real a realtor.

00:35:51.471 --> 00:35:53.632
Yeah, you can't sell shit.

00:35:53.733 --> 00:35:57.014
So they all want money and it's just it's the movie's awesome.

00:35:57.014 --> 00:35:59.246
If you get a chance, the movie's fucking amazing.

00:35:59.246 --> 00:36:05.702
What a cast to like you said, an athlete Oscar Isaac, Charlie Hunnam, Garrett Hedlund of Tron Legacy fame, Pedro Pascal, of course.

00:36:05.702 --> 00:36:07.443
So pretty cool stuff.

00:36:08.003 --> 00:36:11.326
Aaron budget is one hundred thirty million dollars.

00:36:11.746 --> 00:36:12.766
That makes sense.

00:36:12.766 --> 00:36:16.791
You know, like we've always said, standard superhero movies usually around two hundred million.

00:36:16.791 --> 00:36:19.063
That's like what Disney usually puts into their superhero movies.

00:36:19.063 --> 00:36:19.983
That's usually what Sony.

00:36:19.983 --> 00:36:21.965
It shows in the aircraft as well.

00:36:21.965 --> 00:36:28.228
Well, you know, as we said, this movie could have if this would have gotten another 70 million dollars, it probably would have looked pretty good.

00:36:28.228 --> 00:36:29.710
But we were close.

00:36:29.710 --> 00:36:32.552
Cravens flies around in the smallest airplane I've ever seen.

00:36:32.552 --> 00:36:35.333
Yeah, we also don't get a look.

00:36:35.634 --> 00:36:43.137
I had a feeling that like at some point in the development of this movie, that pilot was someone important and they just took it out for.

00:36:43.148 --> 00:36:43.728
budget purposes.

00:36:43.728 --> 00:36:47.860
The voice was like, the voice of someone that female because that person that was sitting there wasn't a female.

00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:48.440
Right.

00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:48.891
Exactly.

00:36:48.891 --> 00:36:49.481
Yeah.

00:36:49.481 --> 00:36:51.322
So who was on the line?

00:36:51.842 --> 00:36:53.014
Whose line is it anyway?

00:36:53.014 --> 00:36:53.804
I don't know.

00:36:53.804 --> 00:36:55.664
Aaron, talk about the box office here.

00:36:55.684 --> 00:37:01.347
Craven the Hunter is projected to gross 13 to 15 million dollars domestically.

00:37:01.347 --> 00:37:11.954
Not great, And it's opening weekend, even at the peak of 15 million dollars that would still make it the lowest opening weekend for any.

00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:14.471
of the Sony Spider-Man Universe movies.

00:37:14.471 --> 00:37:24.514
Madam Web in comparison made 15.3 million during its opening three weekend earlier this year, while 2022's Morbius managed to pull in $39 million.

00:37:24.994 --> 00:37:26.155
It's Morbin time.

00:37:26.155 --> 00:37:29.277
How have we gone this far into the review and not said it's craving time?

00:37:29.277 --> 00:37:30.396
Missed opportunities, Aaron.

00:37:30.396 --> 00:37:31.077
Yeah.

00:37:31.077 --> 00:37:31.958
What are we doing here?

00:37:31.958 --> 00:37:32.777
You lose.

00:37:32.777 --> 00:37:36.460
You lose two hours and seven minutes.

00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:37.460
Feels like it.

00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:38.139
feels like it.

00:37:38.139 --> 00:37:42.155
Honestly, I think this movie could have shaved off about 20 minutes and I would have been totally fine with it.

00:37:42.155 --> 00:37:44.617
Because why do we need to give him the jacket?

00:37:44.617 --> 00:37:45.268
Right?

00:37:45.268 --> 00:37:48.110
Why do we need to show that his brother is the chameleon?

00:37:48.110 --> 00:37:50.990
Although I will say the chameleon actually looks pretty comic accurate.

00:37:51.050 --> 00:37:57.094
Why do we need to go to the law firm of his friend?

00:37:57.695 --> 00:37:59.996
Yeah, we not a love interest.

00:37:59.996 --> 00:38:04.978
They don't even really suggest that they're lovers at any point, which is fine.

00:38:04.978 --> 00:38:07.601
But like, what is her point in the movie?

00:38:08.061 --> 00:38:15.639
She is literally just a I don't know what the term is, but she is like an ends to a means like she she just is there to keep the plot kind of going forward.

00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:16.949
She's an egg McGuffin.

00:38:16.949 --> 00:38:17.420
There you go.

00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:20.632
Aaron, did you know what we'll get in the cast?

00:38:20.632 --> 00:38:22.242
This is probably a good transition into the cast.

00:38:22.242 --> 00:38:25.434
But did you know that the chameleon is actually Spider-Man's first villain ever?

00:38:25.434 --> 00:38:26.715
I did not know that.

00:38:26.715 --> 00:38:28.076
Yeah, he was the very first one.

00:38:28.076 --> 00:38:33.478
Spider-Man number one, actually, from 1960, March of 1963, an amazing Spider-Man number one.

00:38:33.478 --> 00:38:35.880
So a little factoid for you there.

00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.202
Aaron, speaking of, let's get into the cast.

00:38:38.202 --> 00:38:39.284
All right.

00:38:39.284 --> 00:38:44.494
Aaron Taylor Johnson as Sergey Kraven off or Kraven the hunter.

00:38:44.494 --> 00:38:46.920
Once you hear that name, you're dead.

00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.751
Once you get on this list, you'll never get off.

00:38:50.751 --> 00:38:52.242
Ariana DeBose.

00:38:53.344 --> 00:38:54.105
Who is she?

00:38:54.105 --> 00:38:54.704
know that.

00:38:54.704 --> 00:38:56.436
feel like I know what she is.

00:38:56.436 --> 00:38:57.976
I know she's in a lot of musicals.

00:38:57.976 --> 00:39:01.329
That's probably why she's won multiple Golden Globes Academy Awards.

00:39:01.329 --> 00:39:02.219
She was in Hamilton.

00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:04.141
She was in West Side Story.

00:39:04.141 --> 00:39:05.652
Yep.

00:39:05.652 --> 00:39:07.320
As Calypso Aziz.

00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:11.541
Fred Heschinger as Demetri Smelyakov, the chameleon.

00:39:11.541 --> 00:39:12.260
I don't know why.

00:39:12.260 --> 00:39:17.413
yes, because he's a bastard child of Russell Crowe's character, which I'll talk about in a second.

00:39:17.413 --> 00:39:18.152
Yep.

00:39:18.152 --> 00:39:19.503
He got damn it.

00:39:19.503 --> 00:39:20.554
Little baby boy.

00:39:20.554 --> 00:39:22.014
Little baby boy.

00:39:22.014 --> 00:39:26.235
Also the second time we've seen him in two weeks here on the show because he was in Gladiator 2.

00:39:26.235 --> 00:39:33.536
One of the evil evil redhead Alessandro Nivola as Alexei Sitzewitsch, the Rhino.

00:39:33.536 --> 00:39:37.378
Christopher Abbott as the foreigner, which I'm excited to talk about him.

00:39:37.378 --> 00:39:39.800
And then Russell Crowe is Nikolai Kravinov.

00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:42.181
Yes, I am Nikolai Kravinov.

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I am husband to a murdered wife.

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I will have my vengeance in this life.

00:39:48.536 --> 00:39:50.916
I will have my hunt in this world.

00:39:50.916 --> 00:39:52.387
They'll be next.

00:39:53.228 --> 00:40:01.954
Interesting enough, Aaron Taylor Johnson was considered to play Spider-Man in The Amazing Spider-Man 2012 before Andrew Garfield won the role.

00:40:01.954 --> 00:40:04.175
He was too busy making kickass movies.

00:40:05.056 --> 00:40:07.297
Sony executive Stanford Paknik.

00:40:07.297 --> 00:40:11.199
had to Google Aaron Taylor Johnson's name before casting him in the role.

00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.920
I included that Aaron for a very specific reason.

00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.990
These Sony executives are so fucking above themselves.

00:40:17.990 --> 00:40:21.981
have no idea what's going on in their own world.

00:40:21.981 --> 00:40:25.682
Like Aaron Taylor Johnson is one of the biggest, he's going to be fucking the next James Bond probably.

00:40:25.682 --> 00:40:26.802
And they have no idea who he is.

00:40:26.802 --> 00:40:27.923
Are you kidding me?

00:40:28.623 --> 00:40:31.063
Anyway, Aaron, keep going here.

00:40:31.204 --> 00:40:36.365
Alessandro Nivella's Alexi Stijacevic, AKA The Rhino.

00:40:36.365 --> 00:40:38.246
Will you be my partner?

00:40:39.005 --> 00:40:44.405
I feel like he's, what do you, they should have gotten bore at Sasha Baron Cohen.

00:40:44.405 --> 00:40:47.045
Like, you'll be my partner.

00:40:47.425 --> 00:40:51.726
the rhino mentions, spoke with the scientists in New York about a cure for his disease.

00:40:51.726 --> 00:40:56.226
The scientist he mentions is Miles Warren, AKA the Jackal.

00:40:56.226 --> 00:40:58.295
Now, Chris, you know a little bit more about the Jackal.

00:40:58.295 --> 00:41:03.226
What I was kind of expecting him to say was that he was going to talk about a Dr.

00:41:03.226 --> 00:41:04.108
Connors.

00:41:04.108 --> 00:41:04.889
Yeah, I did as well.

00:41:04.889 --> 00:41:05.860
I thought that's where we were going.

00:41:05.860 --> 00:41:07.731
But nope, that's that's not what happened.

00:41:07.731 --> 00:41:10.384
Unfortunately, we got to mention of the jackal.

00:41:10.384 --> 00:41:12.965
The only reason why I wanted to bring up the jackal was for two main reasons.

00:41:12.965 --> 00:41:16.288
Number one, he is sort of the spearhead of one of the most.

00:41:16.849 --> 00:41:17.730
Hmm.

00:41:17.730 --> 00:41:19.990
What's the word to describe this one, Aaron?

00:41:20.030 --> 00:41:21.143
It's not hated anymore.

00:41:21.143 --> 00:41:27.358
I think for a long time it was hated, but the clone saga from the early 90s, which was, course, what created Ben Reilly.

00:41:27.478 --> 00:41:32.351
We also get Kane Parker in this is one of the other clones of Peter Parker.

00:41:32.570 --> 00:42:01.057
But the main reason why I wanted to bring up is because his weird relationship with Gwen Stacy, this scientist was a, I think he was like a, I want to say an educator to Peter and Gwen at Empire State University, but the Jackal became like obsessed with Gwen Stacy, which is super inappropriate to fall in love with one of your students, but he was, and that sort of started the rivalry between Peter and this Jackal character.

00:42:01.581 --> 00:42:02.362
What was it?

00:42:02.362 --> 00:42:03.442
Miles Warren.

00:42:03.442 --> 00:42:08.041
So and also it says here I was I was looking this up.

00:42:08.041 --> 00:42:11.581
Apparently he has some kind of partnership with Calypso in the comic.

00:42:11.581 --> 00:42:24.742
So I wonder if had this series kept on, we would have seen a change in Ariana DeBose's character Calypso at some point over to help out this eventual jackal in the the movies.

00:42:24.742 --> 00:42:26.601
So that was the main reason why I want to bring it up.

00:42:26.601 --> 00:42:29.561
I thought it was interesting when I heard Miles Warren in the movie, I was like, who is that?

00:42:29.561 --> 00:42:30.711
And it was the jackal.

00:42:30.711 --> 00:42:31.342
Yeah.

00:42:31.342 --> 00:42:36.902
So this is the 12th R rated movie in the Marvel Universe or a Marvel film.

00:42:36.902 --> 00:42:41.521
I won't say just in the Marvel Universe, but the Punisher that this is the Dolph Lundgren.

00:42:41.521 --> 00:42:42.121
Dolph Lundgren.

00:42:42.121 --> 00:42:42.501
Thank you.

00:42:42.501 --> 00:42:44.311
Dolph Lundgren Punisher film.

00:42:44.311 --> 00:42:47.621
Blade, of course, Blade 2, another Punisher film.

00:42:47.621 --> 00:42:49.992
I want to I want to see a PG 13 Punisher film.

00:42:49.992 --> 00:42:55.141
I want to see how that goes from 2004 Blade Trinity, of course, Man Thing in 2005.

00:42:55.141 --> 00:42:55.981
There's a Man Thing movie.

00:42:55.981 --> 00:42:56.722
I didn't know that.

00:42:56.722 --> 00:42:57.202
Yeah.

00:42:57.202 --> 00:42:57.722
Really?

00:42:57.722 --> 00:42:59.211
Is that TV movie or is that?

00:42:59.211 --> 00:42:59.596
Yeah.

00:42:59.596 --> 00:43:00.956
Okay.

00:43:00.956 --> 00:43:01.346
right.

00:43:01.346 --> 00:43:03.226
Punisher Warzone, of course.

00:43:03.226 --> 00:43:05.228
You've got Deadpool, of course.

00:43:05.228 --> 00:43:07.688
Logan, Deadpool 2 and Deadpool Wolverine.

00:43:07.688 --> 00:43:10.168
So what have we missed here with this movie?

00:43:10.168 --> 00:43:11.849
Is there anything?

00:43:12.108 --> 00:43:15.269
What do we say about the end of the Sony Spider-Man universe?

00:43:15.269 --> 00:43:16.889
What is there to be said?

00:43:16.911 --> 00:43:18.090
Thank God.

00:43:18.331 --> 00:43:18.800
Yeah.

00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.681
I mean, this is I'm happy.

00:43:20.681 --> 00:43:22.911
I'm happy that the Sony universe is dead.

00:43:22.911 --> 00:43:26.663
But it's not that it's the it's the death of the villains of this.

00:43:26.663 --> 00:43:27.943
It's the death of the spinoffs.

00:43:27.943 --> 00:43:29.557
It's not the death of the Sony.

00:43:29.557 --> 00:43:47.650
Spider-man universe period because they're still going to focus on shitty spider-man movies Yeah, you know, but you think that they like set up null and venom 3 To eventually reboot this universe and have him be like the big bad in the next universe That's sort of my thought is that like why would you introduce a crazy huge belt?

00:43:47.650 --> 00:43:48.610
Sorry guys.

00:43:48.610 --> 00:43:53.735
I almost Tried to rationalize what Sony was thinking with these movies in these properties.

00:43:53.735 --> 00:43:54.126
Sorry.

00:43:54.126 --> 00:44:04.621
It was my mistake I shouldn't have thought rationally about what they're thinking on how to plan these movies out but like, why would you introduce Noel and then not use him somehow?

00:44:04.822 --> 00:44:12.708
And I think, like we just talked about, I think they're gonna use him later in like a, when they eventually reboot this universe and bring on a new Venom, a new Craven the Hunter, they're not done.

00:44:12.708 --> 00:44:14.769
They're not gonna not make these movies.

00:44:15.010 --> 00:44:20.335
All I'm gonna say is that like, again, I really, I did like this movie.

00:44:20.335 --> 00:44:21.155
I really liked it.

00:44:21.155 --> 00:44:22.175
I did.

00:44:22.856 --> 00:44:25.117
But I ended up not.

00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:32.211
feeling great about it again because of, as we said earlier, the dubbing and the bad dialogue.

00:44:32.211 --> 00:44:34.333
There were so many bad choices.

00:44:34.333 --> 00:44:36.072
You know, there were so many stupid choices.

00:44:36.072 --> 00:44:45.706
Like one of the choices, okay, is that every time Craven rode the plane, he had to wait for the fucking bay doors in the back to open up to leave.

00:44:45.706 --> 00:44:46.885
There's doors on the side.

00:44:46.885 --> 00:44:48.315
Just use the door.

00:44:48.315 --> 00:44:48.822
Just use it.

00:44:48.822 --> 00:44:54.498
You don't have to cinematically leave a plane every single time because it just takes too much time.

00:44:54.498 --> 00:44:56.619
Why did he have to wait to land in an airfield?

00:44:56.619 --> 00:44:59.733
Couldn't they just jump, like, fly over where he was living?

00:44:59.733 --> 00:45:04.407
He could just jump out and like kind of do like a Captain America, like landing in the trees or something.

00:45:04.407 --> 00:45:05.688
Like, is he wearing a parachute?

00:45:05.688 --> 00:45:13.195
No, no, But like there was like so many choices that were like silly, but there was some really fun choices.

00:45:13.195 --> 00:45:21.902
One thing I really liked is there's the scene where he basically pulls a Chris Evans and he's like holding down this helicopter after they try and kidnap they're kidnapping his brother.

00:45:21.902 --> 00:45:23.923
You know, I thought that that was seen was really good.

00:45:23.923 --> 00:45:34.331
The chase scene, him running, like again, very, it's like somebody, it's like somebody watched the MCU and was like, fuck, we can do that.

00:45:34.331 --> 00:45:43.449
And they were like, took every scene that Chris Evans did as Captain America and then applied it to Chris Evans, running through the city, like slamming into shit, like, but it was done well.

00:45:43.449 --> 00:45:47.643
Again, I enjoyed watching all the action in this movie.

00:45:47.704 --> 00:45:51.115
I will say I was a little bit disappointed with the fight.

00:45:51.405 --> 00:45:54.835
between the Rhino and I was going to ask you, what did you think of the Rhino?

00:45:54.835 --> 00:45:55.795
What did you think of his look?

00:45:55.795 --> 00:45:57.965
Like, did you like the characterization?

00:45:57.965 --> 00:45:59.945
I thought it was kind of cool.

00:45:59.945 --> 00:46:00.746
Yeah.

00:46:00.746 --> 00:46:14.346
I thought it was really neat that they, like how they kind of explained, you know, like what they did to him and then like the pain and like his feedback, like his character, the Rhino, Alexi's character was, was really interesting.

00:46:14.346 --> 00:46:18.677
he had a colossal effect from keeping him from being a being the Rhino.

00:46:18.677 --> 00:46:39.317
He had this funny little backpack, you know, but I thought it was also kind of cool because to be honest, this story very much reminded me of Iron Man three because the villain was a was a villain that you see at the very beginning who is obviously a little bit weaker, a little bit nerdier, has a bad haircut and then later comes back with powers upgraded himself.

00:46:39.317 --> 00:46:41.168
But now he can't really control that great.

00:46:41.168 --> 00:46:43.929
And it eventually becomes the death of him.

00:46:44.050 --> 00:46:45.257
know, so.

00:46:45.257 --> 00:46:54.235
Again, I thought there was like, you this movie was kind of like an amalgamation of a lot of projects that who are, know, when they wrote this and when they directed it was like, I fucking love this part of the MCU.

00:46:54.235 --> 00:46:55.565
I love this part of the MCU.

00:46:55.565 --> 00:46:59.588
Let me smash it into my movie and maybe I can make it better, which it did.

00:46:59.588 --> 00:47:01.528
I think that's where the successes were.

00:47:01.528 --> 00:47:07.733
But at the end of the day, it was still a heaping garbage bag of bad dialogue.

00:47:08.273 --> 00:47:09.653
That you really liked.

00:47:09.793 --> 00:47:13.757
that I, yeah, looking past the stuff that I didn't like, I did like it.

00:47:13.757 --> 00:47:18.800
Like one of the stupidest things was this guy lives out in middle of the fucking woods.

00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:20.862
Let me ask you this, Liz, out in the middle of the fucking woods.

00:47:20.862 --> 00:47:21.682
Yep.

00:47:21.682 --> 00:47:23.664
Has like fences around his land.

00:47:23.664 --> 00:47:25.284
Poachers are breaking in.

00:47:25.284 --> 00:47:27.246
Nobody knows where his house is.

00:47:27.246 --> 00:47:31.889
So tell me why you have a Batman statue that opens up to show all your weapons.

00:47:31.889 --> 00:47:32.769
Right.

00:47:32.769 --> 00:47:34.130
Who are hiding this shit from?

00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:35.052
Right.

00:47:38.380 --> 00:47:44.132
We never we and there's certain things like the foreigner, the foreigners power.

00:47:44.132 --> 00:47:47.021
You know, I thought that was originally, the way, was Mr.

00:47:47.021 --> 00:47:47.431
Negative.

00:47:47.431 --> 00:47:49.152
I thought that's who that was eventually going to be.

00:47:49.152 --> 00:47:52.143
And Chris Rabbit was was crazily underused in this movie.

00:47:52.143 --> 00:47:56.315
Like, yes, this rabbit is a great we're to see him a lot in twenty twenty five, both in the Wolfman.

00:47:56.315 --> 00:47:58.936
And he has another movie with Barry Keoghan that we talked about.

00:47:58.936 --> 00:48:00.416
But like, he's a great actor.

00:48:00.416 --> 00:48:01.956
I like him in a lot of things.

00:48:02.476 --> 00:48:13.034
I was curious about his character because I've never heard of this and like One, two, three.

00:48:13.034 --> 00:48:15.947
It's like he had to count like every fucking time he's about to use his powers.

00:48:15.947 --> 00:48:20.759
Like, like it's like calling out your your moves every time you're fighting somebody like I don't know.

00:48:20.759 --> 00:48:21.989
I honestly didn't know anything.

00:48:21.989 --> 00:48:22.239
I know.

00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:22.989
I know everyone.

00:48:22.989 --> 00:48:29.121
I know nothing about the foreigner outside of the fact that in one story I know he's like married to Silver Sable.

00:48:29.121 --> 00:48:29.762
Yeah, that's it.

00:48:29.762 --> 00:48:32.043
That's all I know about him in the comic.

00:48:32.043 --> 00:48:34.583
He's able to do it for 10 seconds.

00:48:35.364 --> 00:48:37.755
so he can like what is it like?

00:48:37.755 --> 00:48:40.081
He can like distort your views?

00:48:40.081 --> 00:48:43.014
It's almost like, it's almost like, okay, so there was a movie that came out not too long ago.

00:48:43.014 --> 00:48:45.056
I think it was a Ben Affleck film called Hypnotic.

00:48:45.056 --> 00:48:46.056
It's basically that.

00:48:46.056 --> 00:48:51.400
He's able, like something in his eyes, he has the ability to basically hypnotize and put people in a trance.

00:48:51.400 --> 00:49:03.951
When his, I don't really know, I don't know the basis of how his powers work or his technique, but he's able to hypnotize people when he takes his glasses off and then he can basically move while they're in this trance.

00:49:03.951 --> 00:49:10.280
So it makes it seem like he has either super speed, or he's able to like teleport.

00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:22.166
Now, in my opinion, if you are like a powered person and you're able to like move with like animal-like reflexes, you'd think you'd be able to see this guy moving.

00:49:23.547 --> 00:49:26.869
So there's, there's certain things that just didn't line up for me.

00:49:26.869 --> 00:49:30.851
But again, I really liked, I loved so many choices in this movie though.

00:49:30.851 --> 00:49:35.606
Like when he was going to rescue his brother and he's like moving through the house.

00:49:35.606 --> 00:49:38.186
and not killing everybody, like kind of moving behind them.

00:49:38.186 --> 00:49:39.637
That was a really cool stealth.

00:49:39.637 --> 00:49:45.170
Like they did some really cool choices with his movements and him not necessarily killing people.

00:49:46.090 --> 00:49:46.831
Can I?

00:49:46.831 --> 00:49:47.760
You're just sorry.

00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:59.835
I don't want to cut you off, but you kind of set me up for what is ultimately my biggest complaint with this universe, which is that Sony realized pretty quickly that if they're going to make money off of these characters, that's not Spider-Man.

00:49:59.835 --> 00:50:02.077
They have to make these characters heroes.

00:50:02.077 --> 00:50:04.568
But none of these characters work as heroes because they're not.

00:50:04.568 --> 00:50:05.536
They're villains.

00:50:05.536 --> 00:50:16.849
And you're not and you're taking away what is essentially their main purpose in these movies and in these stories and as characters, not only in the comics, but in these films is that they're supposed to be a foe towards Spider-Man.

00:50:16.849 --> 00:50:22.851
if Venom is a good guy and Madame Webb is a good guy and Craven is a good guy and Morbius is a good guy.

00:50:22.851 --> 00:50:24.411
Where's the conflict?

00:50:24.610 --> 00:50:26.012
Why are they fighting the bad guy?

00:50:26.012 --> 00:50:26.532
Right.

00:50:26.532 --> 00:50:27.351
Who's the bad guy?

00:50:27.351 --> 00:50:28.072
Exactly.

00:50:28.072 --> 00:50:28.981
So that's all.

00:50:28.981 --> 00:50:34.653
And like, I don't mind when I see Aaron Taylor Johnson, like, yeah, of course I want to root for him because he's Aaron Taylor Johnson.

00:50:34.653 --> 00:50:40.434
It's like When I see Chris Evans playing to sort of compare those two again, because they're both really hot dudes.

00:50:40.434 --> 00:50:46.559
But like, when I see those two in the movie, in a movie, I ultimately want to root for them because I like them as actors.

00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.324
because like Chris Evans played a bad guy in that movie with the Russo brothers and Ryan Gosling.

00:50:52.324 --> 00:50:52.929
Right.

00:50:52.929 --> 00:50:53.735
What was it called?

00:50:53.735 --> 00:50:54.005
Man.

00:50:54.005 --> 00:50:54.525
The Grey Man.

00:50:54.525 --> 00:50:55.219
Thank you.

00:50:55.219 --> 00:50:55.670
Obviously.

00:50:55.670 --> 00:50:56.527
in the ass, Suzanne.

00:50:56.527 --> 00:50:58.489
got shot in the ass, Suzanne.

00:50:58.849 --> 00:50:59.809
You know, he knives out.

00:50:59.809 --> 00:51:00.760
He's a bad guy in that.

00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.014
Like, anytime he's a bad guy, I'm like, I still like him because he's Chris Evans.

00:51:04.014 --> 00:51:04.599
Yeah.

00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:05.550
Same with Aaron Taylor Johnson.

00:51:05.550 --> 00:51:07.472
But the thing is like, he should not be a good guy.

00:51:07.472 --> 00:51:07.952
Yeah.

00:51:07.952 --> 00:51:26.222
The only thing that I could see them doing, if they hadn't done the dumb shit with like Morbius and some of the other ones, I think that the cool thing would have been like, if they would have just like, they did it from his perspective where again, he has no problem killing humans, especially when they're mean to animals, which is fine.

00:51:26.222 --> 00:51:34.045
But from anybody else's perspective, from anybody else's perspective, that's a bad person.

00:51:34.253 --> 00:51:35.153
And that's another thing.

00:51:35.153 --> 00:51:41.054
It's like one line in this movie was like, I'm a lawyer.

00:51:41.054 --> 00:51:42.233
Like, like you're a murderer.

00:51:42.233 --> 00:51:43.094
I'm a lawyer.

00:51:43.094 --> 00:51:44.773
And then like, she's okay with it.

00:51:44.773 --> 00:51:46.094
Like she's okay helping him.

00:51:46.094 --> 00:51:47.713
She's like, wait, you're hot though.

00:51:47.713 --> 00:51:49.574
So what are we doing again?

00:51:49.574 --> 00:51:50.403
What's the plan?

00:51:50.403 --> 00:51:50.884
your life.

00:51:50.884 --> 00:51:52.713
It must've been for a reason.

00:51:52.914 --> 00:51:54.614
Like, yeah.

00:51:54.614 --> 00:51:54.873
Okay.

00:51:54.873 --> 00:51:55.853
I think we're near the end.

00:51:55.853 --> 00:52:04.673
will say last, last thing that I'll say is that both in this movie and in gladiator two, I don't get why Fred Hutchings is in these movies.

00:52:04.673 --> 00:52:07.675
I don't like him in any of these movies.

00:52:07.675 --> 00:52:08.996
I don't like him either.

00:52:08.996 --> 00:52:10.016
It's something about his face.

00:52:10.016 --> 00:52:12.838
And I mean that in like the most respectful way possible.

00:52:12.838 --> 00:52:13.518
don't like it.

00:52:13.518 --> 00:52:14.139
punchable face.

00:52:14.139 --> 00:52:15.659
It's got a really punchable face.

00:52:15.659 --> 00:52:17.219
He only got punched like once or twice.

00:52:17.219 --> 00:52:23.342
But like I will say at the very end when they have to make them hate each other because, because reasons.

00:52:23.583 --> 00:52:25.824
I like when he changed to the chameleon.

00:52:25.864 --> 00:52:30.106
I had to get over small Aaron Taylor Johnson for a quick second.

00:52:30.106 --> 00:52:31.202
But then once he...

00:52:31.202 --> 00:52:33.342
like flipped back into chameleon again.

00:52:33.342 --> 00:52:36.543
The look of chameleon is like spot on comic accurate and it looked great.

00:52:36.543 --> 00:52:38.164
So I was about that.

00:52:38.164 --> 00:52:40.045
That was very cool.

00:52:40.045 --> 00:52:51.628
I thought that was such a cool turn, especially like, again, that was probably one of the best parts of the movie was when his brother comes and sits down after he's singing.

00:52:52.827 --> 00:52:56.338
again, that whole thing of the story was a great addition.

00:52:56.338 --> 00:52:58.626
Like that's not one of those dumb things that they just...

00:52:58.626 --> 00:53:00.005
like shoehorned in there.

00:53:00.005 --> 00:53:04.186
The fact that his brother was amazing at changing his voice.

00:53:04.188 --> 00:53:06.827
you're like from the beginning, you're like, he's a chameleon.

00:53:06.827 --> 00:53:09.909
Like if you didn't catch it, you didn't catch it, but you knew it was coming.

00:53:09.909 --> 00:53:16.271
And then at the end when he's like, when the guy tells him about the doctor that made him powerful, like I love that for that character.

00:53:16.271 --> 00:53:18.231
Like I fucking hate Hesinger.

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I do, he's got a punchable face.

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I hated him.

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And Gladiator wanted to beat his ass in that one too.

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But this was a great like...

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Train like change for him.

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It was a you know, like I thought that again the character arc was was was was cool Because he's like I don't want to fucking run away from the bullets.

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I want to run towards them You know, yeah I think we've talked this thing to death Aaron.

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Let's go ahead and do our rating here out of five Davey whiners What are you gonna give Craven the hunter and the end of the Sony spider-man universe the SSU?

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2.5.

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Okay.

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All right See, here's the thing is that I didn't love it like you I don't say you want, you didn't love it.

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You really liked it.

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said, yeah, I didn't really like it.

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I'd say like, I thought it was entertaining.

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I found like the good in it.

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I didn't like it, but like I thought it was okay.

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I didn't, I didn't hate it, which is I think a win overall.

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And for those reasons, sharks, I'm going to give it a 2.5 as well.

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think 2.5 is pretty, I wouldn't recommend this to anybody, but if you're going to watch it, I'd be like, if you were to come to me be like, should I watch Craven 100?

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I'd be like, no, but like, Maybe, I don't know, like mileage may vary.

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I would say if you got, if you have nothing to do and you want to go to see a movie.

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If you're cleaning the house.

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If you got nothing to do and you want to go see a movie and this is in theaters and there's nothing else you want to see, go see this.

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If you're browsing Netflix and you've already watched Ocean's Eleven and Superbad and the latest season of Stranger Things.

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And Love is Blind.

00:54:50.561 --> 00:54:54.612
And Love is Blind and Squid Games and what else, Aaron?

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Backdoor Husseys number four.

00:54:56.990 --> 00:54:58.271
Backdoor Husseys.

00:54:59.331 --> 00:55:00.472
Drunken Sluts number 11.

00:55:00.472 --> 00:55:00.742
Yeah.

00:55:00.742 --> 00:55:04.025
Then I guess turn on Craving the Hunter.

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Black Babes number eight.

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On that note, let's go ahead and get into my favorite segment and all the Big Booty Black Babes favorite segment on the show.

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Aaron's Arcade.

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It's time for Aaron's Arcade.

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Welcome to Aaron's Arcade, where I get to talk about my stuff.

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so I...

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Things and stuff.

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I, thanks to what may be, you know, I'm not going to hint at anything, but thanks to an upcoming opportunity, I was able to read this, The Last Mermaid, which this is book number one.

00:55:43.074 --> 00:55:44.554
I was able to read it in its entirety.

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This is volume one of a really, really cool story that I started reading back months ago.

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And I'm going to give you the snaps real quick for The Last Mermaid.

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Book number one, a solitary mermaid wanders an endless desolate wasteland on a quest that defies all reason.

00:55:58.487 --> 00:56:04.489
To continue her journey, she must endure the vast waterless expanses, evade bands of ruthless cybernetic cannibals.

00:56:04.489 --> 00:56:06.190
Apparently I'm going through puberty again.

00:56:06.190 --> 00:56:07.911
And survive deadly mutant creatures.

00:56:07.911 --> 00:56:10.431
What drives her to take such perilous risks?

00:56:10.431 --> 00:56:14.373
And who is the mysterious cloaked figure observing her from the shadows?

00:56:14.373 --> 00:56:16.693
So this is, wrote that myself.

00:56:18.476 --> 00:56:34.130
because I really enjoyed it, you know, and I don't want to give too much away in this summary, but this is a really cool, not only looking book because when you buy it physically, has, has, it's like a smaller, like square, like six by six book.

00:56:34.130 --> 00:56:35.990
It's almost like miniature prestige.

00:56:35.990 --> 00:56:36.380
Yeah.

00:56:36.380 --> 00:56:39.001
You don't get the same comic book feel.

00:56:39.001 --> 00:56:43.472
It feels very much like a cool story book and the story inside is very cool.

00:56:43.472 --> 00:56:46.773
You've got everything from, again, cybernetic mutants.

00:56:46.773 --> 00:56:51.068
You've got just creatures like sea creatures.

00:56:51.068 --> 00:56:54.001
got mermaids, you've got just a little, a little axolotl.

00:56:54.001 --> 00:56:55.211
That's a pet.

00:56:55.483 --> 00:56:56.574
you got, I don't know.

00:56:56.574 --> 00:57:01.219
It's just, it's such a cool story that I've never really seen done before.

00:57:01.219 --> 00:57:07.074
So it's, I just had a great time when I picked it up and I could not stop reading it once I read through the entire book one.

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So, this is actually, Eisner Harvey and Ignatz award winning creator, Derek Kirk Kim.

00:57:13.811 --> 00:57:24.199
He returns with his first graphic novel in a decade, launching an epic adventure, a truly unique, I use this, fish out of water tale that will redefine the post-apocalyptic genre.

00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.561
Because all this takes place in what looks to be like a decimated earth.

00:57:28.842 --> 00:57:33.016
Again, I don't know if this is a mutant human as a mermaid.

00:57:33.016 --> 00:57:38.590
don't know if this is like just, we don't know too much of the story yet, but it's very fun.

00:57:38.590 --> 00:57:41.592
It's very fascinating and I highly recommend it.

00:57:42.530 --> 00:57:46.545
And with that, let's get into my favorite segment of the show, Chris's Corner.

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It's time for Chris's Corner.

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This week Aaron we're not talking about a movie.

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We're not talking about a comic what we're not talking about Something else I talked about a book turn about a normal prose novel Aaron you can read I just learned who taught you that I learned what you get that from who told you this who gave you this Learned you this I learned it from you.

00:58:17.706 --> 00:58:28.215
I learned it watching you dad This is how you lose the time war Aaron written by Max Gladstone and Amal El I hope I'm saying that correctly.

00:58:28.215 --> 00:58:37.722
But this book, Aaron, the way I described this the other day, I think is perfect how I feel about it, which is that when I read this book, I feel like I'm talking to the smartest person at a party.

00:58:37.722 --> 00:58:42.735
And I say that in a way that like while reading it, it's basically about these two characters.

00:58:42.735 --> 00:58:44.469
You have red and you have blue.

00:58:44.469 --> 00:58:55.958
And now we're not talking about the halo series, but think similar things because these are two time traveling mercenaries that are basically running through time and they're leaving notes to each other.

00:58:56.233 --> 00:59:01.355
at these moments in history where they're affecting all of time and space.

00:59:01.615 --> 00:59:09.307
And these are like back to the future time travel rules where like if you do one thing in the past, it changes the future in multiple different ways.

00:59:09.307 --> 00:59:14.179
You step on a blade of grass and we have tails in 200 years, something like that, you know?

00:59:14.179 --> 00:59:16.028
So it's really interesting.

00:59:16.028 --> 00:59:17.239
It's really beautiful.

00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:22.501
And I just love the relationship between these two people who are at first adversaries.

00:59:22.501 --> 00:59:56.773
And then you can tell throughout their notes to each other throughout these different and this is this book is like 200 pages by the way it's a really quick read it's really easy to read the chapters are like i would say less than 200 words most of the time it's just it's really beautiful and i'll give you a synopsis here i don't want to spoil too much but just hopefully that sets you up enough among the ashes of a dying world an agent of the commandment finds a letter it reads burn before reading thus begins an unlikely correspondence between two rival agents hell-bent on securing the best possible future for their warring factions.

00:59:56.773 --> 01:00:05.954
Now what begins as a taunt, a battlefield boast grows into something more, something epic, something romantic, something that could change the past and the future.

01:00:07.014 --> 01:00:16.634
So highest recommend from me, everybody, if you even have like a Aaron just said a gift and the transcript of you lose.

01:00:17.414 --> 01:00:20.293
Do it, You lose.

01:00:20.293 --> 01:00:21.233
lose.

01:00:21.233 --> 01:00:22.494
Sorry.

01:00:23.213 --> 01:00:26.536
Obviously you're talking about talk about time traveling love and he's like, you lose.

01:00:26.536 --> 01:00:27.715
want my bird.

01:00:30.170 --> 01:00:33.360
everybody anyway, that'll do it for Chris's corner again.

01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:38.521
Go check out both the last mermaid and this is how you lose the time war.

01:00:38.521 --> 01:00:40.498
So, that'll do it for episode one 77.

01:00:40.498 --> 01:00:42.184
Aaron, we've done it once again.

01:00:42.184 --> 01:00:47.896
Next week we are doing our last movie review of the year and I'm hoping it's better than the movie we just watched.

01:00:47.896 --> 01:00:49.168
I think it will be.

01:00:49.168 --> 01:00:50.958
We've covered the first two ones on the show.

01:00:50.958 --> 01:00:52.994
We've Sonic the hedgehog one.

01:00:52.994 --> 01:00:57.809
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and now we got to round it out with the third installment with Sonic the Hedgehog 3.

01:00:57.809 --> 01:00:59.409
I actually want to read this book that you're talking about.

01:00:59.409 --> 01:01:00.677
Sounds awesome.

01:01:00.677 --> 01:01:01.615
Do it.

01:01:01.657 --> 01:01:02.478
Do it.

01:01:02.478 --> 01:01:06.559
And I'm excited for Sonic because obviously Keanu Reeves is amazing.

01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:07.199
Yes.

01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:07.719
Yeah.

01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:13.592
We have now Jim Carrey, Keanu Reeves, Eldris Elba, Eldris up.

01:01:13.592 --> 01:01:14.382
Am I saying that?

01:01:14.382 --> 01:01:14.902
Idris Elba.

01:01:14.902 --> 01:01:15.643
Idris Elba.

01:01:15.643 --> 01:01:16.324
Jesus.

01:01:16.324 --> 01:01:18.603
Ben Schwartz.

01:01:18.625 --> 01:01:21.025
And then the person who voices Tails, which we still don't know.

01:01:21.025 --> 01:01:24.202
But That's a great cast, right?

01:01:24.202 --> 01:01:24.923
Yes.

01:01:24.923 --> 01:01:26.655
And then also the guy that was in X-Men.

01:01:26.655 --> 01:01:29.827
I'm forgetting his name, but he's in these movies as well.

01:01:30.447 --> 01:01:33.019
So anyway, we'll watch that next week and we'll talk about it.

01:01:33.019 --> 01:01:35.652
So Aaron, what?

01:01:35.753 --> 01:01:37.052
I want my blur.

01:01:37.353 --> 01:01:40.106
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01:02:45.713 --> 01:02:49.646
Anyway, Aaron, we should probably stay here at the very end of the show next week.

01:02:49.646 --> 01:02:51.965
is our second to last show of the year.

01:02:51.965 --> 01:02:53.365
Second to last show of the year.

01:02:53.365 --> 01:02:56.365
And then it's the last Call Awards, which is our final show of the year.

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It's exciting times.

01:02:57.706 --> 01:03:01.965
Glad we could end it with Craven the Hunter and Sonic 3.

01:03:02.626 --> 01:03:05.445
What a year 2024 has been.

01:03:06.706 --> 01:03:07.346
man.

01:03:07.346 --> 01:03:08.545
All right, everybody, that'll do it.

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We will see you next week for episode 178.