MOVIE REVIEW: Longlegs w/ Nick DiNizio

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Hey, this is Daniel Warren Johnson, creator of books such as Murder Falcon, Extremity, Wonder Woman Dead Earth, and Beta Ray Bill, and you're listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

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Hello everyone.

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Welcome to episode 163 of the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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I'm Chris Hacker.

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I'm one of your co -hosts here.

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And joining me this week is not Aaron Knowles.

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is officially, he is off this week again.

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I had to kick him out of here because I had to bring in one of my good friends in the podcasting world.

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One part of the former FN Nerds, Nick Denizio is here on the Oblivion Bar.

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Welcome Nick.

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Thank you, man.

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Thank you for having me.

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What a pleasure it is to have you here because I knew once I found out that Aaron couldn't be here, I had to bring in the big guns for this week's episode, which We're going to be reviewing the latest neon, some say instant classic long legs of the many friends, the mutuals that we've had from the history of the oblivion bar podcast.

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You were one of the very first people that I thought of when I came to like, who could I seriously bounce off of and have like a really great conversation about this very, you know, it very divisive, but also very interesting film.

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And you were like the first person I thought of.

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I appreciate that man.

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Yeah.

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It's very, It's very a 24 ask if we can go into that.

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mean, obviously the first the first episode that we did together was for the Green Knight.

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You know, we had we had our talk of of a 24 films.

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And it's funny because neon is kind of in that same vein of a 24 is this very I guess I guess you could say at this point highly respected like indie label that just does these these very original films.

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And it's definitely it's definitely an interesting film to talk about.

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I can't wait to get into it.

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There's there's For all the hype, there's also that much controversy too.

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So I can't, I can't wait to delve into that.

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Yeah.

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It is very much one of those films that requires a conversation.

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Like if you go into this movie cold, not knowing what it is, not even seeing a trailer and sort of just trying to gather your thoughts.

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Cause I actually saw this on Thursday and we'll get into it here in just a bit.

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Sort of talk about the evening of and all that.

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I saw it on Thursday and I remember walking out of the theater with my girlfriend and we were trying to discuss the film and I, and I had a hard time sort of wrapping my brain around You know, like I couldn't fully grasp it in the way that I wanted to.

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So I'm excited to sort of get your perspective and then sort of go through everything that I've found about the film since seeing it.

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So before we get into that, though, I want you to sort of lay out for the listener here, explain the Effing Nerds what that was or what it is and also kind of what you're doing now.

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So the Effing Nerds podcast was something that me and my good friend Martin, we started back before the pandemic.

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We actually started two months before the pandemic happened.

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And it's funny too, because I think a lot of the podcasting friends that we've made along the way were born out of the pandemic.

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So it was a very interesting time to really get into podcasting during that time.

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And we did it for a couple of years and then both of our jobs kind of took center stage and we had to stop because I mean, know better than anybody how much work goes into having a podcast, the quality that you want to try to keep up with.

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And as soon as it starts to dip, you start to lose.

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You know, it's not that you lose interest, that that motivation just isn't there when things aren't working like how you want them to.

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But, you know, it wasn't like anything bad happened.

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It was just one of those, you know, organic things that was just like, you know what?

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Like, we're just going to stop for a little bit.

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And if we end up coming back to it, we'll come back to it.

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I've definitely had the itch.

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So I'm happy that you that you hit me up because I was like, I'll bring him of retirement.

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Yeah, man.

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It's fun.

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It's it's a lot of fun, man, because I love doing this.

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I love talking movies.

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I love talking, you know, all kinds of nerd stuff.

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So.

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Yeah, so once that ended, his job took him into new directions.

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He got great opportunities and I'm really proud of what he's doing now.

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And then for me personally, about two years ago now, I left my original job and I started working for a visual effects company.

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So I work for Brainstorm Digital and we do visual effects for movies and TV.

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And I've been trying to break into the movie industry for years and finally.

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finally got in and it's been such a blast.

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Obviously it's a little bit of a tough time right now because we went through the strikes last year.

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We were out of work for a couple months.

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We literally just started back up like a month and a half ago.

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So that's been the only bummer is like I finally get in and then all of a sudden these strikes happen and work's not there.

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So, but other than that, it's been great.

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That's incredible.

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Yeah.

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And to kind of speak of what you were saying earlier, well, first of I'm really proud that you're finally in the industry.

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know even back then you guys, both you and Martin were trying to get And what I always really loved about the FNRJ is you guys had a quality that I really appreciated.

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You could just see it, see it.

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mean, you guys obviously did video and stuff, but you could hear it immediately in your show that, and I know you would be the one to edit it, but it just matched that quality that I think podcasters strive for.

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And to kind of speak on what you're saying about how like when you're going through changes in your life, one of the first things that goes is maybe the podcast because not because you don't want to do it because you can't put the time into it that you want to, you can't put the quality in there.

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And I've definitely felt that here on the Oblivion Bar.

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I totally understand it.

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do selfishly hope at some point you guys bring it back in some capacity, even if it's only ever so often.

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But I totally get it.

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You guys are doing other things and we can at least appreciate the time that we had the FNRTS because you guys were one of the best movie podcasts around, at least from my perspective.

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I really always enjoyed the show.

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Man, it's awesome hearing you say that, man.

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I really appreciate that.

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I mean, but also too, man, for you, you know, obviously we all kind of started out at the same time and seeing where you guys started to where you are now.

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The growth has been insane.

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The guests you've had on has been insane.

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And I'm really proud of you guys too, man.

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You've just absolutely crushed it.

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And I can't wait to see like where you're going to go in the future.

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I appreciate that.

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Yeah.

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It's a, it's a labor of love.

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think that's a good way to sort of surmise that's the best way.

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Yeah.

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nerdy podcasting landscape is the labor of love.

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It deserves our participation.

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It requires it.

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And we're just trying to put a little love into that, you know, movies, comics, television, video game corner of the world.

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It's the best, but, it brought us And here we are talking about long legs.

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absolutely.

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One more piece of news here.

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I will be at San Diego Comic -Con at the end of this month.

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Nick, have you ever been to San Diego Comic -Con before?

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I have not.

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man.

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I not.

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You know, I've been to New York a couple of times.

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Actually, we actually finally met in person two years ago at New York Comic-Con.

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So that was great.

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But yeah, San Diego Comic -Con is one that I eventually will get out there for.

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I've kind of been doing the Star Wars celebration circuit lately, but yeah, San Diego Comic -Con is definitely on my list to get out there at least once.

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I mean, New York is incredible.

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I was trying to explain to someone the other day, sort of the difference between New York and San Diego, because I think they're like 1A, 1B in the comic book convention landscape.

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And New York Sensory overload.

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It's everything all at the same time and you're never gonna get to everything that you want to, but you're gonna have fun and it's gonna be tiring.

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San Diego is like a diet version of New York, but it's the same amount of incredible talent, but smaller, if that makes sense.

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Plus Hall H.

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Well, Hall, I mean, that's the thing.

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I feel like people think that San Diego is bigger because of Hall H.

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Because you have just these massive announcements, you have all these big stars.

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That's where usually Marvel is, that's where DC is.

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You know, New York in terms of that, in terms of star power is a little bit lesser, but still pretty big.

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But I feel like I've heard people say that if you're a comic book fan, New York is the better place to be than San Diego.

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100%.

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Yeah.

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If you're, if you were a true blue Wednesday warrior, New York Comic -Con is a, it has to be on your bucket list.

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It's, mean, to put it in context, I guess you could say, and to sort of speak on what you're saying with San Diego and New York is that San Diego has become much more entertainment, television, movies, what have you.

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Anime is also really big at San Diego, which it is at most conventions anyway.

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But San Diego artist alley is I would say less than a hundred creators total.

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I would say maybe like 80 to a hundred creators total.

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So that's maybe like six or seven rows.

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New York Comic -Con is A through Z, nut to butt all the way through a giant exhibitor hall.

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I'd there's over probably four or 500 creators in New York.

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It's insane.

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It's almost overwhelming.

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Like you mentioned sensory overload.

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That's what artist alley is in New York Comic -Con.

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It's just, wild.

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It's a wild place to walk through.

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Yep.

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And trying to meet folks and like coordinate through all that is incredible.

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I yeah, I'm so excited about San Diego.

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is by, I mean, I wouldn't say it's by far my favorite con, but I always look forward to it.

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It's a good halfway point in the year.

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It's something I can look forward to and it's just, it's the best, but I'll be there Wednesday through Sunday.

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If you happen to stop by the Comic Sketch Art Lane there in San Diego, we have a bunch of creators that are going, please come and say hi.

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That'd be incredible.

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and I'll probably be running around losing my mind anyway.

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if you happen to see me, just grab it real quick.

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We'll take a photo or whatever.

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But Nick, if you're ready, we'll get out of all the disclaimer stuff.

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Let's go ahead and get into our news and notes.

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All right, so first up, and Nick, this is interesting because there was some news that happened over the last couple of weeks.

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We got like a new look at the Superman logo and some of behind the scenes stuff.

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There was a couple of things that happened, but a ton of trailers dropped in the last two weeks.

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I know you saw this.

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Too many.

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Too many to the point where we can't even talk about all of them.

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We would have to dedicate an entire episode to sort of deep dive into each one.

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We're actually, Aaron, I talked to him about this before we actually set this episode in stone.

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And I wanted to preview a new segment which we're gonna call Trailer Train Choo Choo.

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This is a new segment on the show where we just dedicate our entire News and Notes to trailers, because we all love trailers.

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One thing before we get into these trailers, I have to get your opinion on this, and I go to the movies a lot, I'm sure you do as well.

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The movie theater is like our chapel.

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It's sanctity.

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You walk in and bless the screen and you walk to your seat.

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Too many trailers, man.

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Nick, there are like 12 trailers in front of these movies.

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What is going on?

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Dude, saw, so I saw Long Legs last night.

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Yep.

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There were so many trailers, so many, like it's seriously like the movie is supposed to start 745.

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Long Legs didn't get started until almost 820.

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It was insane.

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Yeah.

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I mean, don't get me wrong.

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I was happy to see like a lot of the trailers and some of them were actually going talk about today.

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I mean, the big thing, it's not on the list, but seeing the Alien Romulus trailer on the big screen.

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was magic.

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cannot wait for that movie.

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yeah, way too many trailers, a lot to just to just go through like it's the point where I'm just like, wait, what movie am I seeing again?

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So yeah, it's it's a lot.

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I mean, don't be wrong.

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Like I love trailers, but we need to cut this down to like five or six at most.

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100%.

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Yeah.

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Like unless it unless it's a big film that a lot of studios want to just promote their big movies that are coming out.

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I understand that.

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But a small movie like Long Lake should not have 10 trailers in front of it.

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I'm sorry.

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I will say it was funny to see a trailer for Deadpool, Deadpool, Wolverine Long Legs.

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was wildly different movies.

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It was a weird tone to set before Long Legs.

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That's for sure.

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Yeah, same thing.

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I've seen A Quiet Place Day 1, Maxine, and Long Legs.

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I went to the movies three times this week.

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Hell yeah.

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I would say that the most annoying part of each of those viewings was just the multiple trailers.

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Like you said, more than 10 at least.

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Yeah, and that's the thing too, is when you have somebody like us who goes to the movies a lot, obviously for the average moviegoer, they're probably not going as much as we are, but when we go a lot and we see the same things over and over again.

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It's like, my God, like let's just, let's, let's get this going, man.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Well let's get into some of these strategies.

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So we have, here's a couple that have released and we're just not going to talk about them in depth unless you have something quick you want to say, Nick, but I'm just going to go through them and you just stop me if you want to talk about something really quick.

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So we got Paramount smile too.

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Stop.

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Okay.

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Go ahead.

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No, I don't want to say anything crazy, but I'll just say that the first smile was such a surprise to me.

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I didn't expect to love it as much as I did.

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Really great body horror.

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really like if you, people have seen the movie, know the ending for the ending.

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Fantastic, like practical effects, really good stuff.

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The trailer for Smile 2, I love Naomi Scott.

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I think she's awesome.

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I can't wait to see her in this.

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the trailer was, I think the trailer is great.

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I really do.

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Like I really like this trailer.

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It gets the point across as to what it's going to be about, you know, dealing with the whole music industry as well.

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And then, you know, there's some stuff in there that reminds me of Suspiria.

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So I can't wait to see what they kind of like cook up with this trailer, but very excited.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why I thought that was Blumhouse.

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Did you think that as well?

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Or yeah, you know, I did too.

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I thought, thought that was Blumhouse and it's, it's, we're going to have a Blumhouse film that we're about to mention too.

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But, uh, I had this conversation with Martin kind of how Blumhouse has fallen off a little bit with their quality.

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They've at least a lot of quantity over quality, a lot of movies lately.

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There were some, they teamed up with universal.

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They've, they've been putting out a lot of direct lately.

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So I'm, I, I'm wanting to come back.

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They make money.

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They money.

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That's what it comes down to.

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They make money.

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So that's what it's all about.

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It's just pump them out.

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And then one of them pump them out for 10 to 20 million.

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And one of them will hit a hundred, you know, it'll be like a Friday night at Freddy's.

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Like it's one of those sort of situations where they're just shooting their shot.

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They're like a, they're like a horny 40 year old at a bar at 2am.

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They're just shooting their shot in every direction and they'll hit, they'll hit Peter at some point.

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They're going to hit something.

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Yeah.

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They will penetrate something, whether it's a hole in the wall or otherwise.

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But we've got three A24 trailers this week.

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We live in time starring Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh, which destroy me.

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I already know for a fact that dude, I just looking at what the subject matter is.

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I just already know it's going to just bring tears to your eyes.

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know, real man tears will be absolutely for sure.

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We have Herrick by Hugh Grant.

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Did see that one?

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I did.

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You know what, man?

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The movie itself, I'm a little iffy on because it's from the guys that wrote A Quiet Place and other than A Quiet Place, their track record is not good.

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Correct.

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So I'm a little hesitant on this, but I love where Hugh Grant's career has gone these last couple of years.

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I don't know what started off, maybe it was like Cloud Atlas where he played like a cannibal in that, but played a lot of characters in that, but one was a cannibal.

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since then, he's had such interesting picks.

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He's teamed with a guy, Richie, a couple of times, which I've loved.

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So I'm all for this new career that Hugh Grant has done.

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I just watched Honor Among Thieves the other day and I just love his character in that movie.

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Oh, he's so good in that he's so good in that.

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And then we had a surprise one.

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I actually saw this before.

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Long Legs, the front room starring Brandi Norwood.

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Welcome back, Brandi.

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What is welcome?

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Where was she at the last 15 years?

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I have no idea.

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This is another one, too, where it's it's kind of a toss up.

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You know, it kind of looks like it's it's it's pulling from like Get Out a little bit and a couple other films that if you see, you know, like it's inspirations.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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Well, it's this is one's question mark for me.

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Like the trailer was fine.

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So we'll see if it's any good.

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You know, speaking on what you're saying a moment ago, Blumhouse, and I don't want to, I don't want to speak ill about my, boys, a 24, you know, I'm a big a 24 shell.

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Of course, of course I'm nervous.

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I'm very nervous because since they bought or they were, who were they purchased by?

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it, I actually, don't know.

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I don't know if they officially got purchased.

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They probably did, but I know what you're talking about.

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Cause there was a story that came out a couple of months ago, how they needed to kind make money, they have to start making money.

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Because regardless of how critically acclaimed their films are, whether audiences like them or not, their movies don't make enough money.

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that was the worry from the start is that A24, while they're able to do all these original films, if you're not making money, you're not going to last long.

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that's kind of where they're at right now.

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And they've been signing big talent.

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In the last couple months, they've gotten Dwayne Johnson, doing The Smashing Machine with Betty Safdie.

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I just saw Jennifer Lawrence is going to do a movie with them.

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They have a comic too.

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based on exactly based off a comic.

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I know they're going after big talent.

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And so that's my worry too, is they're going to become like Blumhouse and start, you know, but we'll see, we'll see, we'll see what happens.

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It hasn't happened yet, but you know, we'll see, we'll see where this goes.

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Cause that used to be the thing with A24.

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You knew when you went into an A24 horror film, you were going to see something very specific and whether you're, know, it matched your quality or not was sort of up to the viewer, but it was going to be a very centralized, specific view from a filmmaker.

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And you knew that it was probably going to stick with you and more times than not, it was going to be very good.

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Of these three, I will say the only one that I'm truly interested about, is the one that's not a horror film.

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It's the, know, Herrick and the front room.

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I'll probably see at some point, but we live in time is the only one that I'm truly interested in.

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Yeah.

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No, I agree.

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I think it has to do with the fact that it's Andrew Garfin and Florence Pugh as well.

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You got these, two A -list stars, fan favorites that everybody loves.

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So that's, that's definitely a big pull for them.

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And if I believe it or not, uh, past lives was also a 24, right?

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It incredible.

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was.

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So, so I like how eight 24 is kind of moving into like this other genre a little bit more now too.

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And they're kind of broadening their horizons.

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Yeah.

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And Civil War was kind of like their first big box office try.

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I don't know, actually I'm not familiar with the box office, but I think it was relatively well received.

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It was.

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It was very well received.

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want to say it made, I know it made over a hundred million worldwide.

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And I think it's, I think to this point, I think it's their second highest grossing film.

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Behind Everywhere All At Once.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yup.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Well, let's move on here.

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We've got Max's, The Batman Spinoff, The Penguin.

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Do see this I did.

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I'm excited.

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Yeah, me too.

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I'm excited, man, because like, you know, the fact that the Batman part two got pushed to another year, which is insane to me.

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I don't know what's what is happening.

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But but I'm excited for this.

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Colin Farrell is the best and his Penguin was definitely a highlight of the first film.

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Yeah.

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I'm hearing rumors that Pattinson might show up for an episode or two.

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So we'll see what happens there.

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But even if he doesn't, I'm excited to get back into this world.

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I'm excited to see what they do.

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And it's the Penguin's rise.

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It's how he becomes the Penguin.

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I can't wait to see how this all plays out.

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looks like the Sopranos in like DC comics.

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So I'm all for that.

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I kind of want just for the funny part of it.

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I want them to keep doing these spinoffs and just call it the something like the Catwoman, the scarecrow.

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Like just keep doing these books in the front.

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to just make sure everyone knows that it's in the patents and exactly that continuity.

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All right.

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This one I'm excited about Robert Eggers, Nosferatu.

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Yeah, it looks it looks awesome.

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I know Chakra.

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I mean, put it this way.

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Even if you're not a fan of Robert Eggers, his films always look top tier.

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They look like cinema.

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Cinema and just like big yellow letters above your When I watch this, I'm like, yeah, this trailer is cinema.

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The cast is phenomenal.

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I can't see what Bill Skarsgard does with this character.

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Quite honestly, if you've seen a Robert Eggers movie, you kind of know what to expect.

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A lot of his movies are slow burn.

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don't know if this is going to take that same route because it looks a little more intense than some of his previous films.

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mean, even the Northman for thinking it was going to be an action movie for two hours was not.

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So it could just be a really well edited trailer, but yeah, this is definitely on my list for, and it comes out the end of the year.

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So I can't wait for that.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of Blumhouse, we've got, it's afraid, but it's like a fra AI D it's about a killer AI everybody.

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That's all it is.

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I will say just note of it.

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And Nick, I'll let you sort of talk about it as well if you need to, but a good friend of the show, David Dasmal.

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She was somewhere in the film.

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I didn't see him in the trailer, but he is credited on IMDb and it's somewhere.

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So I'm wondering what he, what he's doing there.

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Yeah.

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Which, tells me maybe he's, he's, he's got like almost like, it's not like a secret role, but maybe they're kind of keeping it under wraps a little bit.

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But yeah.

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Also, congrats for getting him on.

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That's awesome.

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And I love David Dasmatch and he's great.

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Yeah.

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but yeah, again, this kind of falls under, you know, Blumhouse just making these really cheap, like horror films.

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I mean, this way they pumped out so many between Night Swim, Imaginary, like and none of these movies have been good either.

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this I don't know if it I don't know man I just saw this I'm like this is gonna be the first of many you know killer AI movies that are probably gonna come out.

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And who's gonna be the first one to do it Blumhouse?

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Exactly, exactly.

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So I don't have any expectations for this if it ends up being you know at least halfway decent maybe I'll check it out when it's on you know streaming or something but other than that it's a hard pass for me.

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Well, speaking of low to no expectations, we got Venom the Last Dance.

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Wow.

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I don't know how Sony keeps doing this.

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Who keeps giving them money?

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What is going on?

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OK, so for Venom, right?

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Obviously, the first movie comes out.

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No one expects.

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I mean, no one expects it to be like as bad as it was.

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Actually, some people find it to be a guilty pleasure, which I can definitely see.

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But when you're doing a movie about Venom, should at least be somewhat decent.

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Yeah.

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The second movie comes out, has Carnage.

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Me and Martin went to go see it and I can't tell you how packed that theater was and how into it the audience was throughout the whole thing.

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The first two made money.

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First two made so much money and Let There Be Courage is a trash movie.

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It's terrible.

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but the audience was so into it.

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I was so surprised.

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was like, am I watching something different than everybody else?

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So there's an audience.

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Is this the comic book movie version of like Fast and Furious?

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Like this is brain candy.

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It's just colors and lights.

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Exactly.

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That's exactly what it is.

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So there's obviously an audience for this.

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And the thing with Venom and this is my stupid headcanon is I kind of hope that this movie does well just so that, you know.

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Warner Brothers can see this and say, hey, Tom Hardy has some some star appeal and he can pull an audience and maybe we should just go ahead and make that Mad Max Wasteland movie, even though Furiosa bombed.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, 100 percent.

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You're absolutely right.

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It's did you see the bike riders with him in there?

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I didn't.

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didn't.

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I've it's you it's funny, man.

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All these movies that come out now, it's like they're they're in theaters for a couple of weeks and then they throw them around streaming.

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So it's like the bike riders.

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I obviously I'm going to go see try to see in the theater first, you because I'm trying to like get away from streaming.

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I don't want to do any of that stuff.

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You know, I'm definitely gonna try to go see that in theaters, but my, my family saw it and they said it was great.

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They loved it.

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It's my second favorite movie of year behind doom part two.

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Is it really?

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Yeah.

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Nice.

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the moment you can get to it, I would recommend it.

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Austin Butler's great in it.

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Jodie Comer, incredible.

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John, John, she crushes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hardy's incredible in it too, but let's actually get into what we wanted to talk about here.

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there's no, there's nothing to talk about venom guys.

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I promise.

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Go watch the trailer if you want.

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We're not interested on, at least I'm not, I don't know if don't know if it is either, but, it'd be curious to see if it makes money again, Nick, I'm going to pass this off to you.

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We've got four trailers that came out this week that we really wanted to talk about.

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these are the ones we're to go in depth with a little bit.

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I'm going to pass off to you because I know you're very excited about this film.

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I am.

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I'm put this way.

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I'm cautiously optimistic about this one, but let's get into it.

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So Paramount has released the first trailer for Ridley Scott's highly anticipated Gladiator 2.

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The story takes place years after Maximus gave his life upending the leadership of the decadent and corrupt society.

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The sequel centers on Lucius, the son of Lucia.

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the nephew of Commodus, the son of Roman leader Maximus Aurelius, who murdered his father and seized the throne.

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Commodus met his downfall in the gladiator ring against Maximus, who despite being mortally wounded, took down the emperor before passing on to reunite with his family.

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Maximus had saved Lucius and his mother, leaving a lasting impact on the young boy.

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The first gladiator took place in 100 AD, and it is rumored that gladiator two is likely said about 19 years after the original in the year 2011 AD.

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The film stars Paul Mescal as Lucius, Kanye Nielsen as Lucia, Denzel Washington, who we're going to talk about as Macronus.

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You motherfuckers.

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That's honestly, I saw the best comment for that, that like everyone's talking with an accent and Denzel sounds like a corrupt cop from Yonkers.

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It's just training day two, in 2200 AD.

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So good.

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Joseph Quinn is in this is Emperor Gita and Pedro Pascal as Marcus Akeis.

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Yeah, I think I said that Yeah, no, fantastic cast.

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The trailer, absolutely like, I love the trailer and there's controversy around it, surprisingly, because unsurprisingly, I guess unsurprisingly, it's so stupid, man.

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It's like, who cares?

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So they put they put No Church in the Wild, which is a Jay -Z Kanye West song.

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And it's like it's first of all, it's not the first Denzel movie that's gotten that song before.

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If you want to go all the way back to Safe House with the Ryan Rells, it also had that same that same music.

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Like, is it a little out of place?

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Maybe, but it's not the first time a historical epic has used modern music.

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It's not the first time any movie based on wherever has used modern music.

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So I don't know what this uproar is.

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It's really weird to me.

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And then I saw something that like it's one of the most downvoted like trailers of all time on YouTube.

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Like it's some fucking far right idiot getting the rage bay on YouTube and then all these minions and morons all are.

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It's just culture war bullshit.

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It's all it is.

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It's stupid.

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The trailer looks great in my opinion.

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And I agree with you 100 percent.

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The music I think it set a pretty good tone for the trailer.

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They're obviously not gonna fucking play Jay -Z in the Coliseum.

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Let's move everybody.

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No, they're not.

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Everyone's like, they got rid of Hans Zimmer for Jay -Z.

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It's like, first of all, if you watched the, if you want to go all the way back to Gladiator One, there was a Super Bowl spot for Gladiator One and they played, what they play, I they played Creed or something in the, the, promo for that.

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So it's like, it's like, it's like movies have.

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You know, marketing departments have done this for years.

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It's nothing new.

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I don't know where this outrage came from.

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It's just nonsense that somebody tried to conjure up for clout and it's just it's so stupid.

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regardless of that, I think it looks great.

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I mean, it's funny there was a I someone was like, you know, gladiators should never get a sequel.

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Wait, there's water battles in this is totally true.

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And for those that don't know the Coliseum did have naval battles back in the day.

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So this it's all that's that's 100 % accurate.

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So that I can't wait to Paul Mescal is obviously a huge rising star right now.

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And the fact that got Pedro Pascal in there too, mean, who's just has completely blown up in the last like three years.

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Joseph Quinn.

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Joseph Quinn, who's now also just blown up.

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Yeah, he's on the rise right now.

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mean, on the rise, man, a quiet place, stranger things.

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And then now he's gonna be a fantastic for next year is Johnny Storm.

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So, then this, like, I mean, yeah, I would say, but I was gonna ask you about this between Paul Mescal and Russell Crowe, but I think you could make a strong argument that like, you know, there's like, there's a good mixture proven stars.

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then people were on the rise between Joseph Quinn, Paul Mescal.

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And then I think Pedro Pascal is like there.

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Like I think his star has risen, but he's still, I think there's still room for him.

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Right.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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And you know, it's funny too, between him and Joseph Quinn, both fantastic for now.

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So I mean, that's, that's, that's, gonna, that's gonna skyrocket him even further now.

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But yeah, no, I agree.

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I think it's a very smart cast because I don't know who decided to do the casting for this, but it's, to me it's, it's genius because you have between Paul Mescal, Joseph Quinn, Pedro Pascal, rising stars.

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Denzel Washington obviously is just like, as soon as people see Denzel, that's automatically gonna peak so many people's interests.

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So I thought that that was just a really great pick.

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And then obviously you have Connie Nielsen who was in the original way back when.

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So she's kind of that connection to the original film.

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Yeah, I mean, I can't wait.

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And obviously the reason why I'm cautiously optimistic is because as much as I like Ridley Scott.

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His track record is very hit or miss, especially in the later years of his career.

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get the last duel and then you get the, what's the Emperor movie he did with Joaquin Phoenix?

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was that?

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Napoleon.

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Napoleon, yeah.

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Napoleon, yeah, which is not good.

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And then he did like House of Gucci, which was terrible.

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So it's like, he's very hit or miss.

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And like, I would even say he hasn't made a really good movie since like The Martian.

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And even before that, there was also a gap.

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yeah, I've heard He's getting up there in age too.

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I think he's close to 80.

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Yeah.

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And he's still, he's still pumping out these movies.

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like hats off to him for still doing this.

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and to be fair, even if you didn't like Napoleon, the battle scenes in that were, were top tier.

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So I think it's going to be the same for this movie.

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It's just, hopefully it has a very compelling story.

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I I've heard early word is, is, is good so far on this.

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some people are even calling it Oscar worthy.

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I don't want to jump to that far just yet.

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mean, cause Oscar worthy could mean it gets nominated for its clothing.

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You know what I mean?

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So special effects and visuals and know, set clothing.

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I'm sure it'll get a lot of that.

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It'll get looks for that.

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Yeah, yeah, I'll get a lot of tech awards, yeah, but we'll see.

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I'm definitely pumped for it.

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have, like I said, cost you optimistic, but my hopes are high.

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So we'll see.

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are your thoughts on the reqri I said it again.

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What are your thoughts on the recent acquisition of Paramount Pictures by Skydance?

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Do you see this?

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It was bought by Skydance for $8 billion just a week ago.

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Now, I don't think this is going to change anything with like, let's say gladiator, Just in terms of like, want to get your cinema brain reaction here.

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Yes.

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The sixth oldest movie theater in the world.

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The second oldest in the United States has just been bought by Skydance.

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What's happening here?

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Yeah.

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So it's, it's, it's really funny.

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So, you asked me about this.

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I'm wondering why it didn't happen sooner.

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And the reason why I say is because Skydance has had a relationship with Paramount for the longest time.

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If you go back to watch Paramount Phillips, whether it's You know, the most recent Star Trek movies, every Mission Impossible movie, Skydance, Skydance's logo is always over that stuff.

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So they've been working with them for years.

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And from what I hear, David Ellis is who who owns Skydance Media is very great to work with.

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And he cares a lot about films and filmmaking.

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So he has a very he has a big appreciation for it, which I think is missing from a lot of studio heads these days.

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Sure.

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So I think it's I think it's a good move.

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You know, it's funny, too, because I didn't realize Paramount was in such a bad hole.

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until until recently with all this was going on and I have a friend that works for CBS Sports, which is under Paramount.

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So they're directly affected by that.

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So luckily their job is safe.

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But but still it's one of those situations where you know, it could have gone horribly wrong.

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mean, I still don't agree with Disney buying up 20th Century Fox.

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You know, I don't I don't like to see these studios eating each other alive like that discovery buying Warner.

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It's got me my word, which is which has been horrendous so far.

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It's been terrible.

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The is as well as cutting, wholesale, not releasing movies, cutting jobs, putting a bunch of my, dating my uncle and my baby is 600 pounds on Macs.

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Like just the worst shit possible you could do.

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He's like capitalizing HBO.

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It's terrible.

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Yeah.

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And that's what I was talking about is like you have studio heads who aren't film people.

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They're either business people or whatever.

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And they have no clue as to what makes films work, know?

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And case in point, is funny though, how like Warner Brothers still can put some solid films, like, know, Dune falls under Warner Brothers still, you know, so they - Yeah, Barbie, Oppenheimer and Dune part two in the last nine months.

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That's what I mean.

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it's like, it's crazy how they're able to still put out like these high profile films and them not be completely messed up.

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But yeah, but you know, going back to this, I do think it's a good move.

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I don't think much is going to change in terms of like the landscape and what kind of films they're putting out.

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My hope is that with David Ellis in charge, maybe he can kind of the ship a little bit better, but you know, from what I know, Paramount has not been - hurting in terms of like on the theatrical front.

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think a lot of the movies that come out, I think they're successful.

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I think they make money at the box office.

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So hopefully this just means they're going to get better after the fact.

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I have one more question for you before we move on from Gladiator.

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I wanted to just kind of get your thoughts on the comparison, sort of the star power comparison between let's say 2000s Russell Crowe and presumably the star of this Gladiator 2, which is Paul Mescal.

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2024 has been, I would say 2023, 2024 has been great for Paul Mescal.

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I think is again, as we said earlier, his star rising incredibly fast.

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You've got After Sun, all of us strangers.

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He's been doing a lot of incredible stuff.

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So I'm curious between 2000s Russell Crowe, who Russell Crowe at that time was doing a lot of sort of small budget crime.

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He was the leading actor, but it was like small movies.

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Smaller films, Like LA Confidential and things like that.

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Yeah, you could make a case that like Gladiator was the movie that maybe pushed him over the top into true stardom.

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So what are your thoughts there?

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What's the comparison?

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Yeah, I would definitely agree.

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I Gladiator definitely you know, catapulted Russell Crowe into that stratosphere of being a really like powerhouse A -list actor.

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That's kind of where it really all started.

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And for Paul Mescal, this could absolutely do the same thing.

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I mean, it's very similar, I think, in terms of not so much like the films that they've been doing, but in terms of where their kind of star power is, one before a Gladiator film hits.

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Yeah, I mean, and Paul Mescal really like, and it's not just Gladiator, like his plate is full.

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Like he's getting picked up for a lot of different films.

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He's showing the range that he has and that he can kind of jump genres and kind of do different things.

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So that's very good.

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But I mean, for you, though, how do you feel about like, how do feel about Paul Mascall in general?

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How do you feel about him kind of leading this film, you know, as opposed to going up against someone like Denzel Washington, Pedro Pascal, who, you know, is established in this kind of world.

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So what do you think?

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I am in agreement.

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think Paul Mascall is one of our best young actors.

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I think he was the only one missing in Dune Part 2 as like the old heads and the younger generation, the passing of the torch.

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Like if they could have just somehow put Paul Mascow in the background somewhere, it be perfect.

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Cause you have the young guard of like Florence Pugh, Austin Butler.

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Why am I spacing with the main actor, fucking Paul Atreides.

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Oh, Timmy man, Timmy Charlie.

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Timmy Charlie, thank God.

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What am I doing here?

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And then you've got like, you know, the old heads that were all, you know, you've got one of the scars guards, you've got.

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Which about Christopher Walken Josh Brolin.

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Well, it's it's funny man Yeah, hit that on so on you hit the nail on the head on that one yet Dune Dune has Literally probably one of the best cast in terms of like the young generation the current generation and the old generation it literally has such a wide variety of of actors and yeah, Paul Paul's definitely he's the only one that's missing from that group of You up -and -coming young actors.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and I think I'm excited to see what Paul does with his career I think again, I think this is gonna be sort of I would be really excited for people for this to be like the first time they see his potential as an A -list star.

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think this could push him over the edge and get him some serious leading work.

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Yeah, I think so.

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Let's move on to something here that I was maybe a little more Luke Warmon, I'll say.

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Studios drops the first teaser for the upcoming WandaVision spinoff, Agatha, all along.

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So in this series, have Catherine Hahn's Agatha Harkness starring in this new series.

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Here's the synopsis, sort of a broad synopsis.

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Sets off.

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On a dangerous, mysterious adventure filled with trials and tribulations, Agatha finds herself down and out of power after a suspicious Goth teen helps her break free from her distorted spell.

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Which I'm assuming is the spell that Wanda put her in at the end of WandaVision.

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So we have showrunner Jack Schafer is back from WandaVision and I think the entire writing staff of WandaVision is just bloop, putting right into this Agatha all along.

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Which is sort of exciting because I'm curious to hear your thoughts really quickly, Nick.

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What was your thoughts on WandaVision being like that first Disney plus COVID series?

00:35:31.717 --> 00:35:33.878
To be honest, it was a blast.

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had so much fun and even like for podcasting, it was a blast talking about it because we had done and I think a lot of podcasts were doing it too, like just basically taking doing weekly recaps of the series, giving our speculations of what we thought was going to happen.

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And it was so much fun to do that because also too for Marvel, this was their first TV show.

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So everyone was excited for that aspect too.

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And I think it was successful for the most but WandaVision took a dive for me and its final episode.

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thought it was, know, and there was obviously reasons as to why that happened because it apparently got rushed because of COVID, but I thought it was such a disappointing, end to everything, especially from the sort of promise that was like being shown to us throughout the series.

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And it really didn't deliver as much as I wanted it to.

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looked like they were trying to do something different in the beginning with the eras and like trying, truly trying to deviate from the quote unquote superhero method.

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Yes.

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final episode, big pink, blue sky and CGCG fest.

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And what's funny is that this one division kind of set that precedent to what Marvel shows were going to be from from here on out.

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I mean, from what we hear now, they're going to change that up.

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I think after Agatha is done, like we're now going into like the era where there are TV shows supposed to have like showrunners now and, you know, take more time to develop.

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So hopefully that's that's the case.

00:36:52.278 --> 00:36:57.630
But but yeah, it's been it's been a rough go for Marvel TV since one division, I would say.

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minus like Loki season three and yeah, Loki's been fantastic.

00:37:02.315 --> 00:37:03.987
What I liked Miss Marvel.

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I thought she hook was OK in certain spots, but mostly it's lukewarm to bad, just outright bad secret invasion.

00:37:09.621 --> 00:37:10.273
I'm looking at you.

00:37:10.273 --> 00:37:18.688
Yeah, I feel I feel I feel like everyone everyone has like their you know their their favorites and like I honestly liked Hawkeye more than I think most people did.

00:37:18.688 --> 00:37:26.911
I liked I like seeing the the boots on the ground aspect of that even even I mean we're going talk about Captain America in a little bit, but Falcon Warrior Soldier.

00:37:26.911 --> 00:37:32.126
Again, was another one that was played by a rushed ending, but I liked majority of it leading up to the ending.

00:37:32.126 --> 00:37:32.967
Agreed.

00:37:32.967 --> 00:37:34.157
So let's see here.

00:37:34.157 --> 00:37:34.998
We got the cast here.

00:37:34.998 --> 00:37:37.030
So Joe Locke's Billy Kaplan, aka Wiccan.

00:37:37.030 --> 00:37:40.494
So we got an upgraded, you know, updated Wiccan on the show.

00:37:40.494 --> 00:37:44.646
We got Shashir Samada as Jennifer Kale, who is a Marvel character.

00:37:44.646 --> 00:37:45.757
I'm not familiar though.

00:37:45.757 --> 00:37:47.159
Maria de Dizda.

00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.161
We got Paul Aldenstein.

00:37:49.161 --> 00:37:55.755
Aubrey Plaza as Rio Vilda, who is apparently a original character, not from the comics, which is kind of interesting.

00:37:55.755 --> 00:37:56.365
Yeah.

00:37:56.365 --> 00:37:59.246
And like I said earlier, the entire writing team of Wandavision is returning.

00:37:59.246 --> 00:38:06.608
All Along will be nine episodes and will premiere on Disney Plus on September 18th with a two episode debut.

00:38:06.608 --> 00:38:10.510
temperature check on Agatha All Along, Pretty cold.

00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:11.269
I'm not gonna lie.

00:38:11.269 --> 00:38:11.960
Pretty cold.

00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.862
really, I mean, look, I say this with as much love as I can.

00:38:15.862 --> 00:38:17.342
I love Catherine Hahn.

00:38:17.342 --> 00:38:18.501
think Catherine Hahn's amazing.

00:38:18.501 --> 00:38:20.853
She's an incredibly talented actor.

00:38:20.853 --> 00:38:24.865
You know, not even just for comedy, even though I think that's where she excels is in comedy.

00:38:24.865 --> 00:38:28.038
I mean, anyone seen Step Brothers, she steals all of her scenes that she's in.

00:38:28.038 --> 00:38:29.369
She's absolutely hilarious.

00:38:29.369 --> 00:38:33.170
I'm put you a little ball and throw you in my vagina.

00:38:33.170 --> 00:38:34.052
She's so good.

00:38:34.052 --> 00:38:35.001
She's so good.

00:38:35.001 --> 00:38:38.295
And like, obviously she was a scene stealer in Wandavision.

00:38:38.295 --> 00:38:43.117
So, I mean, like it's one of those things where, you know, that character works in small doses.

00:38:43.117 --> 00:38:46.409
I don't know how it's gonna play out in a full series where their character's front and center.

00:38:46.409 --> 00:38:47.951
I don't think we really needed this.

00:38:47.951 --> 00:38:52.456
I think they're just kind of trying to capitalize on WandaVision hype.

00:38:52.456 --> 00:38:54.887
But you know, it have been a smart neck is that they would have capitalized on it.

00:38:54.887 --> 00:38:57.358
They capitalized on it two years ago after WandaVision.

00:38:57.358 --> 00:38:59.860
we're four years away from WandaVision.

00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:04.375
dude, it's kind of crazy how long it takes some of these some of these these projects to drop.

00:39:04.375 --> 00:39:05.275
It's crazy.

00:39:05.275 --> 00:39:07.286
And to the point where you would just lose all that momentum.

00:39:07.286 --> 00:39:11.039
but yeah, I mean, like I really don't have any any interest in this.

00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:22.097
I don't think I'm going to watch it just because I mean, it's not even just for out Not caring about it, but also to it's really hard to keep up with everything nowadays between movies and TV.

00:39:22.097 --> 00:39:24.987
There's so much stuff and you really have to pick and choose what you're going to watch.

00:39:24.987 --> 00:39:25.989
There is an audience for this.

00:39:25.989 --> 00:39:26.719
Don't get me wrong.

00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.590
There's people that absolutely love WandaVision that are going to be all over this.

00:39:29.590 --> 00:39:32.750
It has like that flair that I know that people are just going to flock to.

00:39:32.750 --> 00:39:34.971
It comes out in September, which is right around spooky season.

00:39:34.971 --> 00:39:36.181
So it's you know, it's about witches.

00:39:36.181 --> 00:39:38.061
It's supposed to end right around Halloween.

00:39:38.061 --> 00:39:39.461
So that's perfect then.

00:39:39.461 --> 00:39:41.233
So yeah, so it's people are going to watch it.

00:39:41.233 --> 00:39:42.193
No doubt.

00:39:42.193 --> 00:39:46.164
But for me, I mean, it's a it's a pass for me.

00:39:46.166 --> 00:39:53.610
Nick, I envy you because as someone I'm to say this in the most annoying voice ever, I will watch this progressively.

00:39:53.610 --> 00:39:56.271
I'm not excited about it, but I will be watching it.

00:39:56.271 --> 00:40:02.496
And, you know, I'm hoping that Deadpool and Wolverine sort of reinvigorates the love of the MCU inside of me.

00:40:02.496 --> 00:40:02.965
Marvel.

00:40:02.965 --> 00:40:03.246
Yeah.

00:40:03.246 --> 00:40:03.505
Yeah.

00:40:03.505 --> 00:40:09.340
Like, guys, listen, if you're listening to this right now and you weren't around for Endgame, I just, feel for you.

00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:14.858
Like you had to be there for that era of Marvel Studios where it was banger after banger.

00:40:14.858 --> 00:40:18.139
even the, even the movies that were not the best were still fun.

00:40:18.139 --> 00:40:18.679
Right.

00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:27.342
And it just seems like since, know, since end game, there've been a couple of highlights, guardians, the galaxy volume three, Shang -Chi, Spiderman, no way home, a couple of TV shows here and there.

00:40:27.342 --> 00:40:29.831
But for the most part, it's just been averaged to bad.

00:40:29.831 --> 00:40:35.164
And I honestly, think the average ones are more disappointing than the bad ones because they're not even there.

00:40:35.164 --> 00:40:38.054
They're unworthy of even talking about, there's no love in them.

00:40:38.054 --> 00:40:41.666
They have zero personality, which is bad to say, because I know it's hard to create things.

00:40:41.666 --> 00:40:50.896
I know, you know, this like It's tough to go out there and create stuff, but when you put these movies and these stories on conveyor belts and try to put them out in mass quantity, they're just not gonna be good.

00:40:50.896 --> 00:40:59.362
Yeah, and I also think that Disney Plus has a big thing to do with that because when that initially launched, it's like we have to have content for this, so let's just get as much going as we possibly can.

00:40:59.362 --> 00:41:02.864
And to be fair, I honestly think that it's really hurt the brand.

00:41:02.864 --> 00:41:06.137
It's hurt the Marvel brand and we're not talking about Star Wars, but the same thing with Star Wars.

00:41:06.137 --> 00:41:08.838
think it's hurting the Star Wars brand too, just with the shows that they're probably not.

00:41:08.838 --> 00:41:09.579
me, real quick.

00:41:09.579 --> 00:41:12.271
Sorry, not to cut you off, but give me a three word synopsis of the acolyte.

00:41:12.271 --> 00:41:13.101
haven't seen any of it.

00:41:13.101 --> 00:41:15.532
Just give me three words to describe the show.

00:41:15.532 --> 00:41:16.612
just want to know.

00:41:16.612 --> 00:41:18.233
A poorly written show.

00:41:18.233 --> 00:41:19.284
Right.

00:41:19.284 --> 00:41:19.884
That's what I'll say.

00:41:19.884 --> 00:41:22.074
It's got to, it has some things going for it.

00:41:22.074 --> 00:41:39.447
And obviously there's man, and this, this is a whole nother topic too, that I'll just, quickly sum up, but obviously, you know, you get to this, this thing where it's hard to be, it's hard for people to take your criticism seriously when you have a lot of douchebags running around that are bigots that are, you know, you know, talking down to the cast.

00:41:39.447 --> 00:41:42.800
sending death threats, which I don't, I don't still understand why people do that.

00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.123
Please refer to your gladiator to conversation just a moment ago.

00:41:46.123 --> 00:41:47.244
Exactly.

00:41:47.244 --> 00:41:48.425
Same exact folks.

00:41:48.425 --> 00:41:57.275
have that same thing, you know, whether they don't like that, there's, you know, minorities in the cast, whether it was women in cast like that, to me that I think that I think the cast for the accolade is solid.

00:41:57.275 --> 00:42:11.903
What they're doing is semi interesting, but it's just so poorly executed that it's, it's, it's honestly maddening to me and I'm not trying to you know, down, downplay anyone that's, that's saying that it's a good show, but I don't see how you could think that it's a good show.

00:42:11.903 --> 00:42:16.719
It's just, it's like, I mean, I look at things, it's a whole nother, it's a whole other thing to get into that.

00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.489
I just kind of want to cut off at its head.

00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:24.876
but I, I honestly hope that, I mean, obviously we have Andor coming out, Andor season two, so that's going to be another high point.

00:42:24.876 --> 00:42:27.708
But, but yeah, I, was very disappointed with Accolade.

00:42:27.708 --> 00:42:31.329
I thought it was going to be a lot more than was given.

00:42:31.329 --> 00:42:36.092
It's kind of like retreading over things that you've already seen in Star Wars, but they're doing it even worse.

00:42:36.251 --> 00:42:38.432
yeah, that was very disappointing.

00:42:38.432 --> 00:42:48.416
But yeah, but it just goes back to, you know, just Disney Plus in general, them just needing content and them kind of just letting anybody with a lot of money do whatever they want with no, I guess, control over it.

00:42:48.416 --> 00:42:54.090
While at the same time, trying to keep that IP train rolling, like at a very brisk pace.

00:42:54.090 --> 00:42:58.221
it's not even like a slow, steady pace.

00:42:58.221 --> 00:43:00.097
It's like two Star Wars, two Marvel.

00:43:00.097 --> 00:43:06.500
Let's write two, two series of each and then maybe two movies of each at the same, all of that at the same time.

00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:07.840
And they're all going to be average.

00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:08.960
it now.

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.541
Right.

00:43:09.541 --> 00:43:21.284
the, but the problem is, is that people are still eating it up and, and, that, and that's kind of going back to what I was saying to about, know, because of certain things being super critical when people actually do want to properly criticize something there.

00:43:21.284 --> 00:43:34.259
I feel like that, like their opinions aren't taken because it just kind of gets lumped into, well, you don't like minorities exactly when, my thing is look until we're able to properly like criticize something, studios are not going to listen.

00:43:34.259 --> 00:43:36.681
They're just going to keep making the same thing over and over and over again.

00:43:36.681 --> 00:43:38.112
And because they're like, well, it's making money.

00:43:38.112 --> 00:43:39.532
So we're not going to we're not going change anything.

00:43:39.532 --> 00:43:41.454
You so it's like we have to be critical these things.

00:43:41.454 --> 00:43:43.536
We can't just let average things pass.

00:43:43.536 --> 00:43:47.418
So that's that's my whole thing with Marvel and Disney and Star Wars and how they're doing things.

00:43:47.418 --> 00:43:49.820
It's like if something's not good, they need to know about it.

00:43:49.820 --> 00:43:51.822
Otherwise, we're to keep in the same thing over and over again.

00:43:51.822 --> 00:43:57.577
Yeah, we can't keep feeding the machine as someone who is totally a slave to pop culture and Marvel and Disney.

00:43:57.577 --> 00:44:00.070
It Disney owns all the things I love, unfortunately.

00:44:00.070 --> 00:44:01.101
Exactly.

00:44:01.101 --> 00:44:05.922
You know, it's one of those things where like I want it, but not like this, like, you know.

00:44:06.324 --> 00:44:08.936
But speaking of things that I really want, I'm full of transitions.

00:44:08.936 --> 00:44:11.347
I know what's going on, but things I really want.

00:44:11.347 --> 00:44:12.788
I want you to talk about this next one here.

00:44:12.788 --> 00:44:14.969
I'm very excited about this next entry.

00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:15.860
Me too, man.

00:44:15.860 --> 00:44:20.793
So Apple TV has released their first teaser for Brad Pitt and Joseph Kaczynski's F1.

00:44:20.793 --> 00:44:22.324
It's going to a little plot summary.

00:44:22.324 --> 00:44:27.213
Pitt plays a seven time world champion Formula One race driver who comes at a retirement to race again.

00:44:27.213 --> 00:44:29.333
and to also mentor a promising rookie.

00:44:29.333 --> 00:44:33.293
is also actively driving an actual Formula One car in the film, which is crazy.

00:44:33.293 --> 00:44:37.693
And if you're an F1 fan, you've definitely seen him at these races in the last year and a half.

00:44:38.213 --> 00:44:44.934
F1 made in collaboration with Formula One and the F1 community, including the 10 teams and their drivers, the FIA and race promoters.

00:44:44.934 --> 00:44:48.653
Cooper CEO Penny Thro serves as executive producer.

00:44:48.653 --> 00:44:54.548
As we say at the top, this film was directed Tron Legacy and Top Gun Mavericks Joseph Kaczynski.

00:44:54.548 --> 00:44:55.349
Yeah, buddy.

00:44:55.349 --> 00:44:55.860
Joseph is in.

00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:57.471
He's on a hot streak right now between that.

00:44:57.471 --> 00:44:57.900
on.

00:44:57.900 --> 00:45:00.503
He did Spider Head two right on Netflix, which was pretty good.

00:45:00.503 --> 00:45:02.143
If I remember, I never saw it.

00:45:02.143 --> 00:45:05.876
I know it got I think got a bit of a mixed response, but I liked it a lot.

00:45:05.876 --> 00:45:06.376
you liked a lot.

00:45:06.376 --> 00:45:06.795
OK, cool.

00:45:06.795 --> 00:45:09.257
mean, like it's a Netflix film and those are usually like toss ups anyway.

00:45:09.257 --> 00:45:10.827
You never really know what you're going to get.

00:45:10.827 --> 00:45:13.530
But yeah, man, he's I like I like Kaczynski a lot.

00:45:13.530 --> 00:45:25.150
I mean, obviously Tron Legacy, Top Gun Maverick, Oblivion as well, which is a a underrated film that I love a Yeah, man, I'm really excited for this, but kind of going back to it.

00:45:25.150 --> 00:45:30.369
So Kaczynski said that his team was determined to make the most accurate, impressive race movie anyone has ever seen.

00:45:30.369 --> 00:45:38.190
Seeing people react to an in -camera authentically captured film like Top Gun Maverick makes us all feel good that our approach works and is appreciated by all audiences.

00:45:38.190 --> 00:45:44.550
This is definitely the thing that I'm most excited about too, because when I saw the trailer, I was like, this is 100 % just Top Gun and cars.

00:45:44.550 --> 00:45:49.547
Yeah, which is the most obvious part about this whole thing, which is really funny because if you want to go.

00:45:49.547 --> 00:45:57.514
If you want to go all the way back to when they did the original Top Gun that Tony Scott made a couple years later, he did Rolling Thunder.

00:45:57.514 --> 00:45:59.505
No, it's Days of Thunder.

00:45:59.505 --> 00:46:00.427
That's what I said.

00:46:00.427 --> 00:46:02.507
Not Tropic Thunder.

00:46:02.768 --> 00:46:03.539
No Tom Cruise me.

00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:06.871
But still, but yeah, no, Days of Thunder, which was also Bill, this Top Gun in cars.

00:46:06.871 --> 00:46:07.152
Right.

00:46:07.152 --> 00:46:08.733
So it's kind of funny how history is kind of.

00:46:08.733 --> 00:46:11.326
And it was I think it's produced by the Bruckheimer team.

00:46:11.326 --> 00:46:11.887
Bruckheimer too.

00:46:11.887 --> 00:46:12.177
Yeah.

00:46:12.177 --> 00:46:15.199
We're all just doing coke and had prostitutes on the scene.

00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:15.650
my God.

00:46:15.650 --> 00:46:16.079
Absolutely.

00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.561
I heard the behind the scenes of that movie was just insane.

00:46:18.561 --> 00:46:20.192
I mean, lot of Brock Hummer productions were like that.

00:46:20.192 --> 00:46:21.782
It's crazy.

00:46:22.083 --> 00:46:24.563
But yeah, but the cast for this is what I'm excited for.

00:46:24.563 --> 00:46:36.347
know, obviously, you know, with Brad Pitt, have Kerry Condon, who I'm very big on lately, Javier Bardem, Tobias Menzi, Sarah Niles, Kim Bouda, Boudinier, if I'm saying that right.

00:46:36.347 --> 00:46:37.166
Samson Kyle.

00:46:37.166 --> 00:46:42.327
And then there's the rookie is Damson Idris, who is in Snowfall.

00:46:42.327 --> 00:46:43.588
He plays the rookie in the film.

00:46:43.588 --> 00:46:48.302
And he's another one who I kind of have high hopes for that his star is going to just like kind of skyrocket.

00:46:48.302 --> 00:46:56.481
Sure, because I didn't see all snowfall but what I saw of it he's very good in it and I've seen interviews the guy he just sees he's a very he's a very cool guy to hear to hear talk.

00:46:56.842 --> 00:46:58.641
But yeah, I'm definitely pumped for that.

00:46:58.681 --> 00:47:05.902
But wrapping this up, F1 was filled with IMAX enhanced cameras and will be available on Apple TV and in theaters via Warner Brothers on June 27 2025.

00:47:05.902 --> 00:47:07.541
We're gonna wait another year for this.

00:47:07.541 --> 00:47:09.661
I didn't realize I thought I was gonna come out this year.

00:47:09.661 --> 00:47:13.690
Crazy man, but the behind the scenes on this one's very interesting too Yeah, Chris, give me your thoughts.

00:47:13.690 --> 00:47:15.351
What would you think of this trailer?

00:47:15.351 --> 00:47:16.351
I was fucking in, man.

00:47:16.351 --> 00:47:19.713
The entire from start to finish with the song choice.

00:47:19.853 --> 00:47:22.364
I like initially would kind of like win, so it was like Queen.

00:47:22.364 --> 00:47:23.313
We're doing Queen right now.

00:47:23.313 --> 00:47:25.255
It's a little corny, little cheesy.

00:47:25.255 --> 00:47:26.576
But how do you not get invested?

00:47:26.576 --> 00:47:32.588
Like, how do you not like immediately as soon as he gets in the car and you hear the revving and you see all the in -camera work from Kaczynski?

00:47:32.588 --> 00:47:37.480
And again, as you said, Brad being in the actual seat, he's right there.

00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.360
Like, there's no way they could take this.

00:47:39.541 --> 00:47:40.791
It's it's chilling.

00:47:40.791 --> 00:47:42.081
It looks incredible.

00:47:42.382 --> 00:47:46.061
tickles that part of my brain the same way that watching Top Gun Maverick.

00:47:46.061 --> 00:47:47.121
I hope it's as good.

00:47:47.121 --> 00:47:49.001
Top Gun Maverick is a very high bar to reach.

00:47:49.001 --> 00:47:57.902
I will tell you here on the show, there's only been two things that I've ever given five stars out of our five stars on the show, which was Top Gun Maverick and X-Men 97.

00:47:57.902 --> 00:47:59.501
There's only two things I've ever given a perfect score.

00:47:59.501 --> 00:48:00.342
That's crazy.

00:48:00.342 --> 00:48:06.621
Well, I mean, to be fair, I actually, just did a rewatch because it was 4th of July and I was in the mood for some, for some patriotism.

00:48:06.621 --> 00:48:12.862
So I watched Top Gun Maverick again and That to me is like a once in a generation type of film.

00:48:12.862 --> 00:48:18.456
It's very rare that you find a film that hits every single bar, checks every single box.

00:48:18.456 --> 00:48:19.327
That movie's incredible.

00:48:19.327 --> 00:48:19.958
It really is.

00:48:19.958 --> 00:48:25.342
And the more I watch it, the more it's just gonna like, the legend's gonna build in my head about how fantastic that movie is.

00:48:25.342 --> 00:48:27.364
Another movie you had to be there for.

00:48:27.364 --> 00:48:28.826
I saw it in theaters four times.

00:48:28.826 --> 00:48:30.898
And you had all types of folks seeing this.

00:48:30.898 --> 00:48:32.989
You had dads being there, you had young people.

00:48:32.989 --> 00:48:33.900
Everybody.

00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:39.340
Yeah, it's one of those movies where it definitely has captured everybody when it came out kind of like what Barbie did last year.

00:48:39.340 --> 00:48:40.992
It's in that same kind of vein.

00:48:40.992 --> 00:48:41.351
Yeah.

00:48:41.351 --> 00:48:44.713
And I really hope that that this is at least half as good.

00:48:44.713 --> 00:48:44.963
Yeah.

00:48:44.963 --> 00:48:47.034
If it's like a half or I'll have a great time.

00:48:47.034 --> 00:48:47.804
Yeah, exactly.

00:48:47.804 --> 00:48:53.114
And like you said, like as soon as you see those shots of of the racing, it's going to be it's going to be awesome.

00:48:53.114 --> 00:48:56.215
It's just going to be taking us into the next practical era of movies.

00:48:56.215 --> 00:49:00.536
Like, is he going to be the one sole voice that is just avoidance like CGI?

00:49:00.536 --> 00:49:03.097
He's going to have some CGI like most of course.

00:49:03.222 --> 00:49:07.925
Is he going to be the one that really makes that sort of like Spielberg effort to be on camera?

00:49:07.965 --> 00:49:19.054
I hope so, dude, because I remember having discussions about this, too, is like, we have Nolan, we have Denis, know, we have Scorsese, Tarantino, you know, we have these we have these these directors have been around for a long time.

00:49:19.054 --> 00:49:26.789
But who's who's the next generation that's going to kind of pick up the torch of really caring about filmmaking, how to make a film, whether it's shooting on film or not.

00:49:26.789 --> 00:49:29.634
mean, I just saw the new Twisters film that comes out next week.

00:49:29.634 --> 00:49:32.335
that they shot that on film because of how they want that film to look.

00:49:32.335 --> 00:49:33.936
And I love that that was the approach.

00:49:33.936 --> 00:49:35.338
It's not like we're not just gonna do it cheap.

00:49:35.338 --> 00:49:36.509
Like film has a certain look.

00:49:36.509 --> 00:49:37.610
We want it to look this way.

00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:40.802
We're going for it, regardless of how much time it takes.

00:49:40.802 --> 00:49:47.385
like, I can't wait to see like what this next generation of directors is gonna kind of, like I said, pick up that torch, carry it forward.

00:49:47.385 --> 00:49:54.050
That really just wants to make a great film, no matter what, not be, know, integrated or anything like that, or trying to make it as fast as possible.

00:49:54.050 --> 00:49:55.952
It's like they're gonna put as much love and care into it.

00:49:55.952 --> 00:49:57.793
And I really hope F1 is successful.

00:49:57.793 --> 00:50:02.170
Cause like I said, There's been reports that its budget has ballooned over 300 million.

00:50:02.869 --> 00:50:05.190
But is that Apple has that blank check?

00:50:05.190 --> 00:50:05.969
Apple has a blank check.

00:50:05.969 --> 00:50:07.190
So that really doesn't matter.

00:50:07.190 --> 00:50:09.849
And I think this should do decent at the box office.

00:50:09.849 --> 00:50:11.130
It's coming out in prime summer.

00:50:11.130 --> 00:50:13.030
It's going to have that IMAX appeal.

00:50:13.070 --> 00:50:18.409
It's building itself as an event film, which is I think is what gets people into theaters nowadays is making sure that's an event film.

00:50:18.409 --> 00:50:21.070
This must see you have to go see it no matter what.

00:50:21.070 --> 00:50:24.449
In the theater, like in the theater, have to see on the biggest screen in the loudest.

00:50:24.449 --> 00:50:25.197
Yeah.

00:50:25.197 --> 00:50:25.697
Right.

00:50:25.697 --> 00:50:31.958
know, and like I said, like they're and they're still filming like like Pitt was at I guess they just had an F1 event and Pitt was there filming scenes for it.

00:50:31.958 --> 00:50:34.137
So you know, and unfortunately, the strikes delayed it.

00:50:34.137 --> 00:50:36.057
So that kind of ballooned the budget a little bit.

00:50:36.057 --> 00:50:38.557
But yeah, I appreciate what they're doing with this.

00:50:38.557 --> 00:50:39.838
The fact that they're actually there.

00:50:39.838 --> 00:50:41.936
I think it makes a world of difference.

00:50:42.018 --> 00:50:44.097
And yeah, man, we'll see how this turns out.

00:50:44.097 --> 00:50:49.326
Yeah, I think that it just my internal movie brain is working here 300 million.

00:50:49.326 --> 00:50:54.405
has to double its budget to make profit or just to break even, then just to break even.

00:50:54.405 --> 00:50:55.686
that's 600 million dollars.

00:50:55.686 --> 00:50:56.885
have to just write.

00:50:56.885 --> 00:50:57.565
That's your bar.

00:50:57.565 --> 00:50:59.405
If you don't hit 600 million, this is a wash.

00:50:59.405 --> 00:50:59.806
Right.

00:50:59.806 --> 00:51:01.646
That's including marking probably either.

00:51:01.646 --> 00:51:06.445
this thing has to get a billion dollars, like basically to like get some kind of decent profit to really break even.

00:51:06.445 --> 00:51:11.706
Now, now, Brookheimer came out recently that once the trailer launched, they did a huge spread on deadline where they were interviewed.

00:51:11.706 --> 00:51:13.226
It was him, Kaczynski and somebody else.

00:51:13.226 --> 00:51:20.079
And they were they they mentioned the budget and they basically said that the three price tag is exaggerated.

00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:26.811
Now, whether that's them doing damage control or not, we don't know, but they said obviously they're getting tax breaks and things aren't costing as much as being reported.

00:51:26.811 --> 00:51:29.411
So it's Hollywood math, know?

00:51:29.411 --> 00:51:31.501
mean, they hide figures all the time.

00:51:31.501 --> 00:51:35.932
So you're never really gonna know whatever the reported budget is, and they'll try to spin it.

00:51:35.932 --> 00:51:45.226
the hope is that a movie like this does do well because I am always for these types of event films, especially something that's not tied to a pre -existing IP.

00:51:45.934 --> 00:51:48.634
And then also too, Hans Zimmer's doing the music for it.

00:51:48.634 --> 00:51:56.594
And if you've seen Rush, which did not do well in theaters, which was another racing movie, Rush is a phenomenal film that nobody saw, which I hope people go check out.

00:51:56.594 --> 00:51:57.893
But his score for that's intense.

00:51:57.893 --> 00:51:59.614
And I can't wait to see what he does for this too.

00:51:59.614 --> 00:52:00.173
Hell yeah.

00:52:00.173 --> 00:52:02.193
All right, let's get into our last trailer here.

00:52:02.193 --> 00:52:06.253
Nick, we said before with the recording, we're going to do about 30 minutes of Oh my God, I just saw the time.

00:52:06.253 --> 00:52:07.253
We're at like an hour.

00:52:07.253 --> 00:52:08.594
All right, let's get through this one here.

00:52:08.594 --> 00:52:13.753
We've got the first teaser trailer for Marvel Studios, Captain America Brave New World.

00:52:14.034 --> 00:52:15.855
This is highly anticipated by everybody online.

00:52:15.855 --> 00:52:16.585
People are so excited.

00:52:16.585 --> 00:52:21.699
It was rumored for a while that it was going to come out this week for anticipation for Deadpool will reign.

00:52:21.699 --> 00:52:23.190
This is the new Marvel thing.

00:52:23.190 --> 00:52:26.402
You have to sort of expect this at this point when there's a new Marvel movie coming out.

00:52:26.402 --> 00:52:30.565
They're going to release the trailer for whatever the next one is week, like maybe a week or two before.

00:52:30.565 --> 00:52:33.657
Get people excited and then show it in the actual movie.

00:52:33.657 --> 00:52:43.010
yes, as many people know, Anthony Mackie, Sam Wilson officially took the mantle of Captain America in the finale of Marvel's aforementioned the Falcon and Winter Soldier or Captain America and Winter Soldier.

00:52:43.010 --> 00:52:44.230
Here's the synopsis.

00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:54.452
So after meeting the newly elected US president, Thaddeus Ross, played by Harrison Ford, making his MCU debut after the passing of the great William Hurt, Sam finds himself in the middle of an international incident.

00:52:54.452 --> 00:53:02.394
Sam must discover the reason behind an nefarious global plot before the true before a true mastermind has an entire world seeing red.

00:53:02.394 --> 00:53:11.518
When previously talking about the film, Kevin Feige said he's looking to capture some of the magic that they delivered with Captain America, the Winter Soldier by leaning into the whole political thriller aspect of the story.

00:53:12.076 --> 00:53:13.626
I think that it was pretty obvious.

00:53:13.626 --> 00:53:17.581
mean, I think they've been trying to recapture that Winter Soldier magic since Winter Soldier.

00:53:17.581 --> 00:53:18.851
And they haven't come close.

00:53:18.851 --> 00:53:19.041
Yeah.

00:53:19.041 --> 00:53:20.824
This is the same thing about Black Widow.

00:53:20.824 --> 00:53:22.936
This is the same thing about Falcon and Winter Soldier.

00:53:22.936 --> 00:53:27.780
They keep saying they keep making this benchmark of Winter Soldier and it's just, yeah, it's not going to happen.

00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:29.831
I don't think even even Secret Invasion was the same thing.

00:53:29.831 --> 00:53:31.773
They're like, this is going to capture the Winter Soldier spirit.

00:53:31.773 --> 00:53:33.135
And that definitely did not.

00:53:33.135 --> 00:53:33.806
Right.

00:53:33.806 --> 00:53:37.009
Before I go on thoughts, just kind of overall thoughts on the trail.

00:53:37.009 --> 00:53:38.818
What were sort of your thoughts on the trailer?

00:53:38.818 --> 00:53:39.998
I thought the show was fine.

00:53:39.998 --> 00:53:40.798
I didn't love it.

00:53:40.798 --> 00:53:41.889
I didn't hate it.

00:53:41.889 --> 00:53:45.851
There was some things about it that looked pretty cool to me.

00:53:45.851 --> 00:53:50.815
Red Hulk, someone that they've been talking about since think William Hurt initially came in as the character that was going to happen.

00:53:50.815 --> 00:53:54.817
Unfortunately, he passed away and Harrison Ford's picking up that mantle, which is a very interesting pick.

00:53:54.817 --> 00:53:57.789
I didn't think Ford would be down for something like this, to be completely honest with you.

00:53:57.789 --> 00:54:02.590
It's kind of weird seeing him play this character and just knowing how he is in person.

00:54:03.152 --> 00:54:09.652
all the actors to push off the superhero genre, I thought Harrison Ford would be leading that I honestly did too, but he's here.

00:54:09.652 --> 00:54:13.824
I got, know, hopefully he brings, he brings that Harrison Ford charm to this, to this character.

00:54:13.824 --> 00:54:16.646
But yeah, you know, and it's, it's unfortunate too.

00:54:16.646 --> 00:54:21.128
And obviously the general audience is not going to know about this, but we do cause we're a slave to all this stuff.

00:54:21.128 --> 00:54:26.148
We know the production hell this movie has, has gone through and is going through currently.

00:54:26.349 --> 00:54:30.661
know, they talked about the reshoots and they said how it's only adding action scenes.

00:54:30.661 --> 00:54:33.592
I don't buy that for a number of reasons.

00:54:33.612 --> 00:54:33.963
guess what?

00:54:33.963 --> 00:54:39.001
If they were doing that, if they were just doing action scenes, Marvel will just CGI the fuck out of that movie.

00:54:39.001 --> 00:54:39.521
That's all saying.

00:54:39.521 --> 00:54:40.561
That's all they what I'm saying.

00:54:40.561 --> 00:54:40.902
Yeah.

00:54:40.902 --> 00:54:43.853
So I think these reshoots are changing a lot of aspects of the story.

00:54:43.853 --> 00:54:46.436
One could be a certain controversial character that's in here.

00:54:46.436 --> 00:54:47.715
I might talk about them here in a minute.

00:54:47.715 --> 00:54:48.237
Exactly.

00:54:48.237 --> 00:55:04.952
But I think another part of it is that they were saying that it just wasn't working like they wanted it to, which kind of leaves me a little little wary, especially because the director who like, obviously the thing, the thing that's funny, because everyone always attacks directors and writers and you never know what goes on behind.

00:55:04.952 --> 00:55:06.963
closed doors behind it, you what happens on a production.

00:55:06.963 --> 00:55:08.072
Sometimes it's not the director's fault.

00:55:08.072 --> 00:55:09.443
Sometimes it's not the writer's fault.

00:55:09.443 --> 00:55:11.563
Especially in these movies, especially in the big budgets.

00:55:11.563 --> 00:55:12.574
Especially in these movies.

00:55:12.574 --> 00:55:12.893
Yeah.

00:55:12.893 --> 00:55:13.072
Yeah.

00:55:13.072 --> 00:55:16.724
Cause a lot of times their voice is not heard, especially if it's not a big, a big name director.

00:55:16.724 --> 00:55:20.036
They're like fourth on the list of people they go to for a change.

00:55:20.036 --> 00:55:21.347
like, okay, let's talk to Kevin.

00:55:21.347 --> 00:55:22.896
Talk to the two executive producers.

00:55:22.896 --> 00:55:25.307
We'll talk to the hairstylist for Anthony Mackie.

00:55:25.307 --> 00:55:29.309
We'll talk about, we'll talk to Anthony Mackie's dog, then Anthony Mackie and then the director.

00:55:29.309 --> 00:55:29.958
And then the director.

00:55:29.958 --> 00:55:30.318
Exactly.

00:55:30.318 --> 00:55:30.619
Yeah.

00:55:30.619 --> 00:55:32.869
There's a low man on the totem pole.

00:55:33.197 --> 00:55:43.998
But with this, know, again, it's like, I don't know why Marvel and Star Wars and Disney in general is kind of handing their big IPs off to unproven talent, you know?

00:55:43.998 --> 00:55:48.978
And I'm not saying that they don't deserve a shot, but it's almost like let them get more movies under their belt.

00:55:48.978 --> 00:55:52.617
Let them deal with big budget productions before you give them something like this.

00:55:52.617 --> 00:55:53.818
It's something that's been happening a lot.

00:55:53.818 --> 00:55:55.197
It happened with the accolade.

00:55:55.197 --> 00:55:58.398
know, Leslie Hedlund has not done anything like that before.

00:55:58.398 --> 00:56:02.717
And the fact that she just has, they gave her $180 million to do that show to me is wild.

00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:04.351
And it's, I think it's happening here with Marvel.

00:56:04.351 --> 00:56:09.213
Marvel has done this before, you know, in their previous, you know, in the infinity saga.

00:56:09.213 --> 00:56:09.753
Yeah.

00:56:09.753 --> 00:56:17.579
I was going to say a lot of the directors, I would not, I would say all of them, a lot of them, Russo brothers being a good example of this were first time directors on Winter Soldier.

00:56:17.579 --> 00:56:20.539
As we just said, they came from fucking community to Winter Soldier.

00:56:20.539 --> 00:56:21.170
Exactly.

00:56:21.170 --> 00:56:21.521
Exactly.

00:56:21.521 --> 00:56:27.664
So, so it has worked in the past with this kind of stuff, but lately it feels like it just hasn't been working with some of the talent that they've been bringing in.

00:56:27.664 --> 00:56:29.255
So I don't know where that's changed.

00:56:29.255 --> 00:56:32.085
I don't know if it's because maybe Infinity saga.

00:56:32.085 --> 00:56:37.057
they knew what story they were telling and they knew that there was an end game, no pun intended to where they were, they were where they were leading.

00:56:37.057 --> 00:56:41.809
So there was always a through line that they had to kind of stick to certain bullet points that kind of kept some kind of continuity.

00:56:41.809 --> 00:56:42.168
Sure.

00:56:42.168 --> 00:56:47.349
But late, but lately with, this, with the multiverse saga as we're calling it, there's it's been all over the place.

00:56:47.349 --> 00:56:53.512
So that's what I'm worried about is that they, brought somebody in that didn't really have a good hand on what they were doing and it's a mess.

00:56:53.512 --> 00:56:56.672
now there's reshoots and yeah, it's interesting.

00:56:56.672 --> 00:56:57.322
We'll see.

00:56:57.322 --> 00:56:59.967
mean, I've heard the same thing and cautiously.

00:56:59.967 --> 00:57:01.889
I'm not, I don't know if cautious optimistic is even the right word.

00:57:01.889 --> 00:57:03.099
I think I'm just cautious.

00:57:03.099 --> 00:57:05.199
I think I'm just nervous about this movie in general.

00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:09.983
know this feels like it was part of the dark times at Marvel studios when this was truly in development.

00:57:09.983 --> 00:57:12.784
I think Deadpool was always in its own little segment.

00:57:12.784 --> 00:57:19.476
Like there's certain movies in the MCU that just sort of get put off to the side and are sort of just held by one creative.

00:57:19.476 --> 00:57:20.717
thinking of guardians of the galaxy.

00:57:20.717 --> 00:57:21.818
I'm thinking of the Russo brothers.

00:57:21.818 --> 00:57:26.259
thinking of, Ryan Reynolds and Sean Levy and Jackman.

00:57:26.259 --> 00:57:33.652
like they'll, when Marvel has again, if you have a proven record, they will leave you alone and let you sort of do your thing at least more so than the new guys.

00:57:33.652 --> 00:57:39.994
But when you're so heavy handed and so involved, that's when a lot of times stuff like Secret Invasion happens, for instance.

00:57:39.994 --> 00:57:40.414
Exactly.

00:57:40.414 --> 00:57:42.193
And then you mentioned Sean, Sean Levy too.

00:57:42.193 --> 00:57:44.175
mean, obviously he's done big budget things before.

00:57:44.175 --> 00:57:45.605
He's done a lot of big budget stuff before.

00:57:45.605 --> 00:57:50.376
So regardless of whether or not you think he's a great director, he just knows how to play in the sandbox.

00:57:50.376 --> 00:57:52.507
So that's why I think it's going to work for Deadpool Wolverine.

00:57:52.507 --> 00:57:55.251
But for this year, mean, We'll see how it shakes out.

00:57:55.251 --> 00:57:57.623
But I'm cautious on this one for sure.

00:57:57.623 --> 00:57:58.884
You know, I will.

00:57:58.884 --> 00:57:59.375
We'll see.

00:57:59.375 --> 00:58:01.806
I've heard that Sean's getting himself a Star Wars movie.

00:58:01.806 --> 00:58:02.556
Do see that?

00:58:02.556 --> 00:58:02.967
I did.

00:58:02.967 --> 00:58:03.458
I didn't.

00:58:03.458 --> 00:58:05.159
He got he got a writer for it now, too.

00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:08.331
So see if we if that if that that actually happens.

00:58:08.331 --> 00:58:10.664
mean, Star Wars has been horrendous with.

00:58:10.664 --> 00:58:13.094
So this has been horrendous with announcing movies and them not happening.

00:58:13.094 --> 00:58:16.487
So I love when when a director is hot.

00:58:16.487 --> 00:58:18.130
Star Wars is like here.

00:58:18.130 --> 00:58:18.710
Come here.

00:58:18.710 --> 00:58:19.931
We're going to do something with you.

00:58:19.931 --> 00:58:20.771
Come here.

00:58:20.771 --> 00:58:27.786
But then there's never happened so much development by the time the directors about to get into the Star Wars chair, they do a bunch of terrible shit, i .e.

00:58:27.786 --> 00:58:29.166
like Patty Jenkins, for instance.

00:58:29.166 --> 00:58:32.385
And then they're like, uh, maybe I see no Taika Taika.

00:58:32.385 --> 00:58:32.826
Same thing.

00:58:32.826 --> 00:58:36.146
11 Thunder comes out and it's like, ah, maybe we'll see about your Star Wars movie.

00:58:36.146 --> 00:58:38.085
Same thing with the guys from Game of Thrones.

00:58:38.085 --> 00:58:39.085
They had Game of Thrones.

00:58:39.085 --> 00:58:39.925
Who was it?

00:58:39.925 --> 00:58:42.425
I'm forgetting their names now, but they had them.

00:58:42.425 --> 00:58:46.925
Actually, that's why Star Game of Thrones is so terrible because they were trying to hurry up and get out of there so they could do Star Wars.

00:58:46.925 --> 00:58:49.420
And then they did Game of Thrones and they didn't get it.

00:58:49.420 --> 00:58:52.041
the total sidebar, but I don't know you're watching House of the Dragon right now or not.

00:58:52.041 --> 00:58:52.791
course, but it's incredible.

00:58:52.791 --> 00:58:54.163
But it's so good.

00:58:54.163 --> 00:58:58.434
But obviously, like because of that, you know, I'm catching episodes of Game of Thrones again, too.

00:58:58.434 --> 00:59:02.757
Like some of those early scenes are so phenomenal and I just can't believe how bad they fumbled that show.

00:59:02.757 --> 00:59:05.090
It's it's it's it's it's honestly legendary.

00:59:05.090 --> 00:59:06.110
It's a legendary fumble.

00:59:06.110 --> 00:59:09.782
We need a documentary series on the fall of Game of Thrones for sure.

00:59:09.782 --> 00:59:10.623
Absolutely.

00:59:10.623 --> 00:59:12.244
Let's continue on here with Brave New World.

00:59:12.244 --> 00:59:15.789
We got Tim Blake Nelson's Samuel Stearns, a .k the leader.

00:59:15.789 --> 00:59:19.369
is said to be the big bad in this film returning from Incredible Hulk from 2008.

00:59:19.369 --> 00:59:22.710
We haven't seen him since his head ballooned up there at the end of that film.

00:59:22.969 --> 00:59:26.690
He's not in the trailer, but I think it's just known at this point that he's in the film.

00:59:26.690 --> 00:59:27.550
They're seeing behind the scenes.

00:59:27.550 --> 00:59:28.750
It's not really even a spoiler.

00:59:28.750 --> 00:59:30.469
I don't think what was sort of a surprise.

00:59:30.469 --> 00:59:40.237
I know this was like there was some behind the scenes stuff that was shown, but I think this is the first time like general audiences are knowing this is that Giancarlo Esposito is going to be in the film rumored to be playing George Washington Bridge.

00:59:40.237 --> 00:59:43.498
which is a very, very deep cut dark horse Marvel character.

00:59:43.498 --> 00:59:44.978
If you don't know who G .W.

00:59:44.978 --> 00:59:46.358
Bridge is, I totally get it.

00:59:46.358 --> 00:59:46.878
I don't.

00:59:46.878 --> 00:59:47.878
I have no idea.

00:59:47.878 --> 00:59:48.757
Yeah, I get it.

00:59:48.757 --> 00:59:49.157
I get it.

00:59:49.157 --> 00:59:49.918
He's an X -Man.

00:59:49.918 --> 00:59:56.456
So, you know, it's one of those things where he's just one of those 90s X -Men that showed up for a moment in our Liefeld book and then went away.

00:59:56.456 --> 01:00:00.277
But, know, speaking of which, George Washington Bridge showed up in 91.

01:00:00.277 --> 01:00:02.358
His first appearance was in 1991's X-Force No.

01:00:02.358 --> 01:00:06.077
1 by Nakeza and Liefeld.

01:00:06.077 --> 01:00:11.045
Bridge is a former mercenary turned shield agent traditionally associated with which is cool.

01:00:11.045 --> 01:00:15.728
we get, I swear to God, Nick, if we get cable in this movie or some reference to cable, everything's forgiven.

01:00:15.728 --> 01:00:18.867
I'm like, just give me, give me, give me Nathaniel.

01:00:18.867 --> 01:00:19.289
I'll take it.

01:00:19.289 --> 01:00:20.708
That's what Marvel does.

01:00:20.708 --> 01:00:23.670
Whether or not the movie is like really great or not, they give you enough.

01:00:23.670 --> 01:00:26.931
They just feed you enough to be like, right, all right, you got me.

01:00:26.931 --> 01:00:27.951
Hawk, all right, fine.

01:00:27.951 --> 01:00:29.831
guess it's fine.

01:00:29.831 --> 01:00:33.092
Bridge was also part of cable six pack team along with Deadpool and Domino in the nineties.

01:00:33.092 --> 01:00:34.112
So that was pretty cool.

01:00:34.112 --> 01:00:37.384
We get a quick look at Red Hawk, as we said earlier.

01:00:37.384 --> 01:00:38.414
Yeah.

01:00:38.849 --> 01:00:42.771
I think there's a freeze frame and people have already been sort of using their magnifying glass on this.

01:00:42.771 --> 01:00:45.463
I did not see a mustache, which is a bummer.

01:00:45.463 --> 01:00:47.313
No, I did not see a mustache either.

01:00:47.313 --> 01:00:51.885
So, mean, cause like they even make that little joke in the beginning that he had to shave it for the election.

01:00:51.885 --> 01:00:57.137
So I guess that's, that's maybe why, but yeah, wouldn't it be funny if he grew one when he was a hawk and then it went away when he wasn't a hawk?

01:00:57.137 --> 01:00:59.177
That would be hilarious.

01:00:59.177 --> 01:01:00.318
me all of that.

01:01:00.318 --> 01:01:01.389
I would hope.

01:01:01.389 --> 01:01:02.619
all right.

01:01:02.619 --> 01:01:05.871
So the film stars, Danny Ramirez is Joaquin Torres, AKA the new Falcon.

01:01:05.871 --> 01:01:08.237
have Shira Haas is Ruth Batter Sheriff.

01:01:08.237 --> 01:01:11.217
We have Liv Tyler back as Betty Ross.

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Again, first time seeing her since Incredible Hulk in 2008.

01:01:14.557 --> 01:01:15.898
And it was crazy that they got her back.

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Yeah.

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I'm curious because it's not even, it's not Edward Norton.

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And I don't think that Mark Ruffalo's Hulk is in this either.

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So I don't think so either.

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So I'll be curious, curious to see how she fits in.

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Yeah.

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And then this was a cool surprise.

01:01:25.978 --> 01:01:28.438
Carl Lumbee is going to be back as Isaiah Bradley.

01:01:28.438 --> 01:01:31.978
So the first, technically the first Captain America will be in this film as well.

01:01:31.978 --> 01:01:34.938
So this is, as we said earlier, this is being directed by Julius Onan.

01:01:34.938 --> 01:01:38.349
He did the girl is in trouble in 2015 Cloverfield.

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Paradox in 2018, Loose in 2019, as you said, unproven.

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And the things that he has proved is that he makes an average movie.

01:01:49.389 --> 01:01:50.030
Yeah.

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Yep.

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Or bad paradox.

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We're looking at paradoxes.

01:01:53.550 --> 01:01:54.070
Horrendous.

01:01:54.070 --> 01:01:54.230
Yeah.

01:01:54.230 --> 01:01:59.869
To be fair, was a Netflix movie that they just sort of took a script and just supplanted it and put it in the Cloverfield universe.

01:01:59.869 --> 01:02:02.610
So I can kind of forgive that a little bit.

01:02:02.610 --> 01:02:03.349
Yeah.

01:02:03.349 --> 01:02:06.809
And this comes out on February 14th, 2025.

01:02:07.554 --> 01:02:12.635
Valentine's Day weekend take your boo to go see the new world the new world of Captain America Absolutely.

01:02:12.635 --> 01:02:16.007
Yeah, I mean, you know obviously with you know talking about the film itself.

01:02:16.007 --> 01:02:17.248
I am excited to see Carl.

01:02:17.248 --> 01:02:19.679
Let me back He was one of the highlights for me for Falconware Soldier.

01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:21.880
What were your thoughts on Falconware Soldier?

01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:23.041
I'm gonna great.

01:02:23.041 --> 01:02:42.163
I think the first the first four episodes were cool I thought the flag smashes was a pretty weak villain overall and then the ending as cool as it was seeing Sam finally in the suit I just was like And then like us agent, like I, I kind of didn't like how they just were like, yeah, come help really quick.

01:02:42.163 --> 01:02:43.403
And then all is forgiven.

01:02:43.403 --> 01:02:46.365
Like it just feels kind of messy and sort of without direction.

01:02:46.365 --> 01:02:46.827
Yeah.

01:02:46.827 --> 01:02:51.590
That was my thing is like by the time you get to the end, if just rushed like a lot of potential story there too.

01:02:51.590 --> 01:02:59.777
And, but like, like I said, for the most part, I, the thing that I think the show was successful on is it sold me on Anthony Mackie becoming captain America.

01:02:59.777 --> 01:03:05.483
I thought it did a very good job of putting him forward, you know, showing how he has to earn the shield and.

01:03:05.483 --> 01:03:07.505
you know, what he has to do to become Captain America.

01:03:07.505 --> 01:03:08.786
And I thought it was very successful in that.

01:03:08.786 --> 01:03:12.398
So it made me excited to see what he's going to do as his character going forward.

01:03:12.398 --> 01:03:14.418
So in that sense, good job.

01:03:14.418 --> 01:03:14.789
Yeah.

01:03:14.789 --> 01:03:27.326
But yeah, like I really hope that just just for him as first crack at the character on the big screen, that this movie is not a complete mess, you know, because it'll give the misogynist idiots the bigots and everybody just more ammo to go.

01:03:27.326 --> 01:03:28.248
Why is black?

01:03:28.248 --> 01:03:29.057
Captain America.

01:03:29.057 --> 01:03:29.588
Exactly.

01:03:29.588 --> 01:03:31.579
know, go woke, go broke, that bullshit.

01:03:31.579 --> 01:03:32.208
know, so yeah.

01:03:32.208 --> 01:03:36.751
Why did all these trailers have like, besides F1, that's the only one that the bigots and the incels will love.

01:03:36.751 --> 01:03:37.800
I guarantee it.

01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.811
the other three, they're going to be like, this is woke bullshit.

01:03:40.811 --> 01:03:43.952
Why are there Lady Jedis?

01:03:43.952 --> 01:03:45.103
This is bullshit.

01:03:45.103 --> 01:03:45.733
Exactly.

01:03:45.733 --> 01:03:45.963
Yeah.

01:03:45.963 --> 01:03:47.983
Kathleen Kennedy needs to be hung at...

01:03:48.284 --> 01:03:49.485
Just terrible.

01:03:49.485 --> 01:03:49.835
Okay.

01:03:49.835 --> 01:03:54.273
Last thing I want to talk about really quick, Nick, is, and this is, we don't have to spend a ton of time on this, but I think it's worth mentioning is that...

01:03:54.273 --> 01:03:58.838
As you said earlier, Shirah Haas is taking on Ruth Sarif as a Sabra.

01:03:58.838 --> 01:04:02.422
She is a former black widow and Israeli super heron.

01:04:02.422 --> 01:04:09.347
She's a member of the Mossack and the many characters that she interacts with are generally portrayed as misogynistic, anti-Semitic and violent.

01:04:09.347 --> 01:04:14.913
Not to mention the ongoing Israeli-Palestine conflict currently going on.

01:04:14.913 --> 01:04:19.577
It just seemed like kind of an odd, she's got a spotlight in the trailer.

01:04:20.523 --> 01:04:22.335
And I don't really know what the right answer is with this.

01:04:22.335 --> 01:04:28.186
want to, again, I want to get your thoughts on this because I don't know if we want to just immediately take her out of the film.

01:04:28.186 --> 01:04:29.817
That seems that doesn't seem fair either.

01:04:29.817 --> 01:04:31.556
It's just a weird tightrope.

01:04:31.617 --> 01:04:31.987
Yeah.

01:04:31.987 --> 01:04:40.329
I mean, because obviously, you know, tensions are really high and everyone has an opinion on what's going on overseas, which is very unfortunate of what's happening over there.

01:04:40.329 --> 01:04:44.260
It's really sad, you know, just seeing the this this conflict go on.

01:04:44.260 --> 01:04:50.202
But just just in terms of like this, this film and this character, I mean, obviously I don't know enough about the background.

01:04:50.242 --> 01:04:52.713
But obviously it's a lot of controversy.

01:04:52.713 --> 01:04:57.865
A lot of people are saying a lot of things online about, you know, wanting to boycott the movie because this character is in the film.

01:04:58.027 --> 01:05:02.900
It does make me wonder if the reshoots are kind of maybe taking this character's a lot.

01:05:02.900 --> 01:05:08.702
You know, like to be to be fair, maybe the character can't be completely cut out because they might be somewhat integral into the plot.

01:05:08.702 --> 01:05:13.445
So you might be you might be handicapped in the cutting movie off its legs if you cut this character out completely.

01:05:13.445 --> 01:05:16.588
But maybe they're like downplaying the character, maybe.

01:05:16.588 --> 01:05:18.818
they end up not becoming the superhero at the end of it.

01:05:18.818 --> 01:05:21.460
You know, so I don't know what they're going to do.

01:05:21.460 --> 01:05:27.775
But yeah, it's they could just cut out the part where she gets her suit like the more you know, that Marvel adage where like they help for a bit and at the end they get their suit.

01:05:27.775 --> 01:05:28.436
Exactly.

01:05:28.436 --> 01:05:28.925
Exactly.

01:05:28.925 --> 01:05:33.539
You know, you know, they could be reducing the roll down to like a, you know, a five minute cameo at this point.

01:05:33.539 --> 01:05:33.949
You know what mean?

01:05:33.949 --> 01:05:34.869
We don't we don't really know.

01:05:34.869 --> 01:05:38.722
I mean, but like, you know, she she gets up, she gets a hero shot in the in the in the movie.

01:05:38.722 --> 01:05:40.273
You she has she's front and center in the trailer.

01:05:40.273 --> 01:05:43.456
So I don't have a strong opinion on this.

01:05:43.456 --> 01:05:49.704
But yeah, it's just it's it's unfortunate that, that this has to happen and I mean, we'll see, we'll see what Marvel does with it.

01:05:50.545 --> 01:05:51.744
I'm similar thoughts.

01:05:51.744 --> 01:05:53.987
Like it's pretty much like the words right out of my mouth.

01:05:53.987 --> 01:05:55.427
I don't know what the right answer is.

01:05:55.427 --> 01:06:00.751
I have my opinions on sort of that conflict, but truly truthfully, they're unimportant in this situation.

01:06:00.751 --> 01:06:04.652
And I, know, it doesn't really offend me that she's in the film at all.

01:06:04.652 --> 01:06:06.813
But again, I have a sort of a loose.

01:06:07.019 --> 01:06:10.112
you know, sort of reference on a white sis dude in the Midwest.

01:06:10.112 --> 01:06:12.353
like that's what I think about anyway.

01:06:12.353 --> 01:06:12.923
Exactly.

01:06:12.923 --> 01:06:13.664
I'm the same way.

01:06:13.664 --> 01:06:17.248
Like I'm not I'm not the person that I think needs to have an opinion on this.

01:06:17.248 --> 01:06:21.521
think I just probably which is just I'm better off just staying quiet and just doing my thing over in the corner over there.

01:06:21.521 --> 01:06:22.681
Exactly.

01:06:22.902 --> 01:06:23.291
All right.

01:06:23.291 --> 01:06:24.623
Well, that'll do it for our news and notes.

01:06:24.623 --> 01:06:27.596
Thank you for joining me on our very first edition of trailer train.

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Choo Choo.

01:06:28.565 --> 01:06:29.896
Nick, we went way over.

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Sorry, everyone.

01:06:31.777 --> 01:06:34.230
I know you're here to hear us talk about lung lays and we're about to get in right now.

01:06:34.230 --> 01:06:36.621
But when I got Nick on the show, we got to talk about trailers, man.

01:06:36.621 --> 01:06:37.913
We got to talk about movies.

01:06:37.913 --> 01:06:38.202
know.

01:06:38.202 --> 01:06:38.422
know.

01:06:38.422 --> 01:06:38.983
It's funny too.

01:06:38.983 --> 01:06:40.264
Like you said, you brought me out of retirement.

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I haven't done this in a while.

01:06:41.014 --> 01:06:44.106
So I got my brain is flying right now with what I want to talk about.

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Well, I'm telling you, as someone who's fresh off the lawn chair, you're doing quite well on the podcast.

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It's like you're riding a bike.

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You never forget, man.

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You never forget.

01:06:53.233 --> 01:06:53.503
All right.

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Well, thank you again to Omnibus for supporting and sponsoring our News and Notes segment.

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We're gonna go ahead and get into our review of long legs, but before we get there, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right Aaron, do you remember what it's like when we first started recording?

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Absolutely, man.

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We often had to re -record or invest in backup recording alternatives to make sure our show was always top notch.

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That's riverside .fm and tell them the oblivion bar sent All righty, here we are reviewing Long Legs.

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Again, the neon, I'm gonna say again, question mark, instant classic.

01:08:35.648 --> 01:08:51.439
Spoilers ahead, if you've not seen Long Legs, please, of the many films that we review on the show and then we do spoilers, this is a movie that think you probably should avoid as much as you can before seeing the film, and that includes trailers, although Nick will get into it, the marketing for this film, incredible.

01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.229
Maybe that's a good place to start even, I'd be curious.

01:08:54.229 --> 01:08:56.050
Just in terms of the marketing, I work in marketing.

01:08:56.050 --> 01:08:59.452
know you're really, if nothing else, really interested in movie marketing.

01:08:59.452 --> 01:09:02.292
What were your thoughts on all the different marketing tactics they took for this film?

01:09:02.292 --> 01:09:06.055
It's one of the best marketing campaigns I think I've seen in a long time.

01:09:06.055 --> 01:09:13.198
It might actually be too good because I feel like it's giving people the wrong impression as to what to expect when you go into a film now.

01:09:13.759 --> 01:09:19.118
It's one of those, and you probably have stronger opinions on this too, is you have to kind of toe that line.

01:09:19.118 --> 01:09:25.257
as to understanding that marketing is just meant to get you into theater and it might not completely reflect as to what the movie is going to be.

01:09:25.257 --> 01:09:34.158
So when you have early word and people saying that this is the scariest movie in like the last 20 years, it's going to kind of probably set you up for disappointment.

01:09:34.417 --> 01:09:35.957
You're 100 % right.

01:09:35.957 --> 01:09:36.057
Yeah.

01:09:36.057 --> 01:09:36.417
Yeah.

01:09:36.417 --> 01:09:43.137
Not that I'm going to like, you know, say that's a knock against the film, but it's just one of those things where you kind of have to understand marketing is marketing and the movie is the movie.

01:09:43.137 --> 01:09:46.217
So just know that when you're when you're going into a film like this.

01:09:46.217 --> 01:09:48.981
But yeah, as someone that works in marketing, like what you had, you feel about it.

01:09:48.981 --> 01:09:58.868
Yeah, mean, so to speak on what you're saying there, marketing, the whole point, like you said, is to get people in the seat, but you don't want to overhype it to the point where people are coming out disappointed because it's not fucking Rosemary's Baby or Seven.

01:09:58.868 --> 01:10:00.149
You know, like, yeah.

01:10:00.149 --> 01:10:01.349
And this movie is not that.

01:10:01.349 --> 01:10:11.814
I'll say that firstly, and this will kind of bleed into my initial thoughts, I think, is that Long Legs is a movie, I think the one thing that I can say about it is that it's worth contemplating.

01:10:11.814 --> 01:10:13.095
It's worth discussing.

01:10:13.095 --> 01:10:14.516
It's worth seeing again.

01:10:14.516 --> 01:10:16.018
But I said this to my girlfriend as we were leaving.

01:10:16.018 --> 01:10:23.489
I'm This is a movie very similar to a movie that I saw a couple months ago called I Saw the TV Glow from a 24 that did you ever end up seeing that by the way?

01:10:23.489 --> 01:10:25.409
No, I heard a lot of hype for that movie though.

01:10:25.409 --> 01:10:28.869
Like it like it was was the hype's warranted for that one because like everyone was saying that saw it.

01:10:28.869 --> 01:10:30.329
They were like this movie is amazing.

01:10:30.329 --> 01:10:31.149
It is good.

01:10:31.149 --> 01:10:32.329
I'll say this.

01:10:32.329 --> 01:10:32.630
Okay.

01:10:32.630 --> 01:10:40.250
So just to kind of reference and I know you have one but letterbox I have letter I have letterbox and I always rank each movie throughout the year that I don't know why I don't follow you.

01:10:40.250 --> 01:10:40.850
I have to follow you.

01:10:40.850 --> 01:10:46.014
Yeah, I we need to get together because I don't think I follow you on there either So Letterboxd lets you rank all the films you've seen.

01:10:46.014 --> 01:10:50.793
think I've seen 36 films total this year, 36 new, you know, 2024 films.

01:10:50.793 --> 01:10:57.134
And I currently have, I saw the TV glow and long legs back to back, I think at four and five for me on my overall list.

01:10:57.134 --> 01:10:59.814
There's a spoiler for how I feel about the film, I guess everyone.

01:10:59.953 --> 01:11:01.894
But it's not a perfect film.

01:11:01.894 --> 01:11:03.293
I'll say that for sure.

01:11:03.293 --> 01:11:08.014
But it is, what I found really interesting about it is that again, it's worth discussing, it's worth thinking about.

01:11:08.014 --> 01:11:14.460
And I knew from the jump, almost from the very first that we were in good hands from behind the camera.

01:11:14.460 --> 01:11:17.762
Oz Perkins knows what the fuck he is doing in this movie.

01:11:17.762 --> 01:11:19.293
The cinematography is incredible.

01:11:19.293 --> 01:11:20.845
The sound design is incredible.

01:11:20.845 --> 01:11:27.270
I think everything outside of one particular aspect of this movie worked extremely well for me.

01:11:27.270 --> 01:11:31.054
And Nick, I'm going to, I'm going to leave you hanging on that unless you know exactly what I'm curious.

01:11:31.054 --> 01:11:37.479
There's one particular part of this movie that is just so odd that I had to look up afterward and see what the inspiration was.

01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:38.680
Why was this included?

01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:40.926
Why is this person acting this way?

01:11:40.926 --> 01:11:43.597
I think everyone can take a guess at who that is.

01:11:43.597 --> 01:11:43.958
But go ahead.

01:11:43.958 --> 01:11:46.291
So what were your sort of initial thoughts on the film overall?

01:11:46.291 --> 01:11:52.136
OK, so obviously going into it, was very excited from the marketing campaign itself and then hearing early word from it.

01:11:52.136 --> 01:12:02.505
But then also, because I'm kind of a slave to just movie tracking and how a movie is going to do, I saw the noise kind of turn a little bit against the film.

01:12:02.505 --> 01:12:04.356
People saying that they're disappointed walking out from it.

01:12:04.356 --> 01:12:06.859
So I'm like, OK, we've seen this before a million times.

01:12:06.859 --> 01:12:16.841
There's been so many whether you want to call it like, even though I hate this word, elevated horror, where these movies come out, they get amazing critic reviews and people see them and then you see the audience come around to me.

01:12:16.841 --> 01:12:19.801
was like the fifties because everyone's like this movie sucks.

01:12:19.801 --> 01:12:23.413
I was worried this was going to kind of be in that same vein.

01:12:23.434 --> 01:12:27.015
Do I think it's as good as the credit score might suggest?

01:12:27.015 --> 01:12:27.655
No.

01:12:27.655 --> 01:12:34.079
But I also want to come back and revisit this movie after the hype has died down and kind of really take it for what it is and see how I feel about it.

01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:36.570
But my initial thoughts is I like this movie.

01:12:36.570 --> 01:12:37.150
I think it's good.

01:12:37.150 --> 01:12:39.326
I think it's a good solid film.

01:12:39.326 --> 01:12:44.368
And like you said, with Oz Perkins, if nothing else, the guy knows how to shoot a film.

01:12:44.387 --> 01:12:46.498
He knows how to make a film look good.

01:12:46.498 --> 01:12:49.890
He knows how to just like inject creepiness into his atmosphere.

01:12:49.890 --> 01:12:52.202
Like I'm watching this movie, like even the trees are creepy in this film.

01:12:52.202 --> 01:12:52.752
You know what I mean?

01:12:52.752 --> 01:12:55.953
Like just everything about it just has like this unnerving feeling.

01:12:55.953 --> 01:13:02.206
And I think that's what the movie's most successful at is that it's not like jump scary in any way, but it's unnerving.

01:13:02.206 --> 01:13:03.195
gets under your skin.

01:13:03.195 --> 01:13:05.247
It's just like, you feel dirty after you watch it.

01:13:05.247 --> 01:13:08.319
feel like you're being watched in every Exactly.

01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:14.144
And like every scene I'm watching, especially with Michael Monroe, who I know we'll talk about, she's phenomenal, I think, in this film.

01:13:14.144 --> 01:13:16.145
I think Michael Monroe in general is phenomenal.

01:13:16.145 --> 01:13:18.606
You want to talk about up and coming young actors.

01:13:18.606 --> 01:13:19.877
She's one of them.

01:13:20.618 --> 01:13:27.884
like every scene that she's in and the way the camera is focused on her, I'm waiting for long legs to pop out of the corner or something.

01:13:27.884 --> 01:13:29.704
I'm waiting for someone to just walk into the back.

01:13:29.704 --> 01:13:32.837
It just has that creep factor that you're just always waiting for something to happen.

01:13:32.837 --> 01:13:46.176
And I think that in this case, the film was very successful in doing There's a one particular scene that I think not only perfectly describes what you just said there, but also sort of reiterates what I had said a moment ago with Oz Perkins just being sort of a mastermind behind the camera.

01:13:46.176 --> 01:13:52.039
And it's the scene where Lee is opening up the letter from Long Legs in the film towards the beginning.

01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:57.623
And it's the shot where you've got with her back to the doorway, Nick, what are you doing?

01:13:57.623 --> 01:13:58.604
And it's wide open.

01:13:58.604 --> 01:14:00.126
What is going on?

01:14:00.126 --> 01:14:01.237
My eyes were there the whole time.

01:14:01.237 --> 01:14:02.649
I wasn't even watching what she was doing with the letter.

01:14:02.649 --> 01:14:03.599
was like, what is she doing?

01:14:03.599 --> 01:14:04.109
I don't know.

01:14:04.109 --> 01:14:04.699
I have no idea.

01:14:04.699 --> 01:14:10.795
I'm looking at not only the doorway, but there's another door that goes to her backyard, sort of behind the in the in the kitchen.

01:14:10.795 --> 01:14:12.095
And that's so purposeful, by the way.

01:14:12.095 --> 01:14:13.778
I know there's no way that was an accident.

01:14:13.778 --> 01:14:14.328
even know.

01:14:14.328 --> 01:14:15.118
no, no, no.

01:14:15.118 --> 01:14:19.813
Everyone knows this about me, that I'm a big stickler for like movie theater etiquette.

01:14:19.813 --> 01:14:21.264
Don't talk, don't text.

01:14:21.264 --> 01:14:22.786
I'm not I'm not an aggressive person.

01:14:22.786 --> 01:14:27.627
But if ruin the cinematic experience for me, you will hear from me at some point.

01:14:27.627 --> 01:14:33.301
And at one point I had to lean over to my girlfriend just very quietly and go, this shot, it's like wide, it's too wide.

01:14:33.301 --> 01:14:34.400
Something's gonna happen.

01:14:34.400 --> 01:14:37.193
that, you don't set the shot up like that unless something's gonna pop out.

01:14:37.193 --> 01:14:39.094
And then it didn't, nothing happened.

01:14:39.094 --> 01:14:40.234
Nothing happened.

01:14:40.234 --> 01:14:42.305
But it had you just on that edge.

01:14:42.305 --> 01:14:48.332
And I remember there was a certain point in the movie where nothing was happening, but I could feel my heart rate elevating.

01:14:48.332 --> 01:14:56.573
And it's not like I was super scared or anything, but I just feel like that the images that I was seeing and the way that like my brain was processing it, I think my body was reacting to like what was going on.

01:14:56.573 --> 01:14:59.654
And I think I was just like, my body itself was just getting genuinely creeped out.

01:14:59.654 --> 01:15:01.395
Now that's not me saying that you're going to have that same experience.

01:15:01.395 --> 01:15:11.127
I'm not trying to like build this up for you as for something you're not going to get, but there was just that point that like the way the things were edited, the way things were shot, it was just so effective that my brain was just responding to it.

01:15:11.127 --> 01:15:14.599
I think in the way that they, that they wanted to, but yeah.

01:15:14.599 --> 01:15:18.887
And then like the, thing about cinematography, I'm gonna get a little nerdy for a second.

01:15:18.887 --> 01:15:25.302
Everything feels tall and like big in this movie, like the way it's shot, like almost everything if you to not to get too nerdy.

01:15:25.302 --> 01:15:26.583
no, is why I had you on Nick.

01:15:26.583 --> 01:15:27.595
This is why I had you here.

01:15:27.595 --> 01:15:29.016
I want you to do it.

01:15:29.016 --> 01:15:29.457
Perfect.

01:15:29.457 --> 01:15:36.813
But you know, if you're looking at like a, you know, a typical like, you know, film, you know, and the you always pictured of it being cut up in the third.

01:15:36.813 --> 01:15:39.395
So you have like your upper third, your middle, your mid thirds, your lower thirds.

01:15:39.395 --> 01:15:44.460
A lot of things are put either in the middle, the mid thirds or the lower thirds, so that there's so much headspace.

01:15:44.460 --> 01:15:45.149
Yeah.

01:15:45.195 --> 01:15:48.927
Same with comics too actually, because they put the word balloons up in the top half.

01:15:48.927 --> 01:15:49.628
Right, right.

01:15:49.628 --> 01:15:55.332
So and same thing with like you said, like with how it was shot where there's so much like extra space, you can see what's going on behind them.

01:15:55.332 --> 01:15:56.072
It's deliberate.

01:15:56.072 --> 01:16:05.346
And if nothing else, it's also a credit to whoever the production designer, set decorator, because like the lens is always filled, there's always something going on.

01:16:05.346 --> 01:16:16.779
And like to me, that's such an important part of making your film look interesting is how well you fill your shot so that even though there is a lot of space, it just gives like this overall like, you know, specific feeling.

01:16:16.779 --> 01:16:18.731
And that was one of the things I loved about it.

01:16:18.731 --> 01:16:22.484
It's like the cinematography to me is like, I think it should get an Oscar nomination.

01:16:22.484 --> 01:16:24.076
I absolutely love how this film was shot.

01:16:24.076 --> 01:16:24.766
Will it?

01:16:24.766 --> 01:16:25.966
Absolutely not.

01:16:26.108 --> 01:16:26.597
Probably not.

01:16:26.597 --> 01:16:29.039
Because Oscar, Oscars don't give a fuck about horror.

01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:30.671
Never have, never will.

01:16:30.671 --> 01:16:32.913
I don't think, at least not, not while we're alive.

01:16:32.913 --> 01:16:39.328
I'd love to be proven wrong there, but it's like stunt work and horror just did not get their love and they never have.

01:16:39.328 --> 01:16:40.439
And yeah, we'll see.

01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:43.341
But I think this movie is incorrectly billed as horror.

01:16:43.341 --> 01:16:44.113
What are your thoughts on this?

01:16:44.113 --> 01:16:47.284
think this is very much not a horror film.

01:16:47.284 --> 01:16:48.695
No, it's definitely more thriller.

01:16:48.695 --> 01:16:56.983
mean, I think that there are scenes that you could definitely classify as horror, especially obviously we don't want to jump into the what the third act twist is.

01:16:56.983 --> 01:17:01.957
But I think, think once it, once we get to that, I think that's when it kind of dips its toe into horror territory.

01:17:01.957 --> 01:17:12.845
But for the, for the most part, this is, this is a very, FBI procedural in the vein of something like silence of the lambs or seven, you know, has like, has like that Fincher flavor, has that John to Demi flavor.

01:17:12.845 --> 01:17:14.846
But it's still very much its own thing.

01:17:15.787 --> 01:17:17.479
Where do you think that switch was in the film though?

01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:18.038
I'm just curious.

01:17:18.038 --> 01:17:19.020
Because I agree with you.

01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:27.454
I sort of have a point in the movie that I think it switches from thriller to sort of religious, cryptic.

01:17:27.454 --> 01:17:29.876
I guess you could say culty.

01:17:30.197 --> 01:17:33.479
My brain keeps wanting to say horror, but I just don't think that's what it is.

01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:39.362
I think for me, obviously where it turns is I think when they catch Long Legs and they have him in that room.

01:17:39.362 --> 01:17:39.631
Yeah.

01:17:39.631 --> 01:17:44.546
And you get that, and you get that conversation with between Micah and Nick Cage.

01:17:44.546 --> 01:17:44.956
Yeah.

01:17:44.956 --> 01:17:52.603
I think from, and then how that ends from there, think that that's when we kind of jump into, into, into horror territory, but that's exactly where I was thinking as well.

01:17:52.603 --> 01:17:56.155
The moment we get that one -on -one with Lee and long legs.

01:17:56.155 --> 01:17:56.876
Yeah.

01:17:56.876 --> 01:17:59.167
It, the movie switches almost immediately.

01:17:59.167 --> 01:17:59.618
does.

01:17:59.618 --> 01:18:00.338
Yeah, it does.

01:18:00.338 --> 01:18:03.731
And you know, I don't know we want to transition into, Nick Cage's performance here.

01:18:03.731 --> 01:18:05.162
Yeah.

01:18:05.162 --> 01:18:06.373
Let's talk about that.

01:18:06.373 --> 01:18:09.797
You, that's, I mean, I feel like Noteworthy, right?

01:18:09.797 --> 01:18:14.429
Like this movie was purposely built without Nick Cage really being a part of it until the very end.

01:18:14.429 --> 01:18:21.641
think towards the end of the marketing campaign, Nick Cage was sort of a little bit more hinted at, but never the focal point at any point.

01:18:21.641 --> 01:18:22.152
No, no.

01:18:22.152 --> 01:18:27.632
And I think you wouldn't have realized he was in the film unless, you know, somebody had said, hey, Nick Cage is actually in this movie.

01:18:27.632 --> 01:18:28.922
It's like, well, I didn't see him in the trailer.

01:18:28.922 --> 01:18:30.724
scouring the IMDB.

01:18:30.923 --> 01:18:33.125
And you see that he's that he's actually playing the serial killer.

01:18:33.125 --> 01:18:37.716
that, quite honestly, I mean, me being a Nick Cage fanatic like that initially had me hooked.

01:18:37.716 --> 01:18:39.489
It was he's gonna play the bad guy in this.

01:18:39.489 --> 01:18:41.449
I'm like, all right, cool, let's see what he can do.

01:18:41.609 --> 01:18:48.189
And maybe to some people's disappointment, he does what you expect him to do when you wanna just amp him up to 11.

01:18:48.189 --> 01:18:52.670
He has one freak out where I'm like, this is Castor Troy from Face Off.

01:18:52.670 --> 01:18:53.210
You know what I mean?

01:18:53.210 --> 01:18:57.329
This has that kind of crazy, crazy vibe to it.

01:18:57.329 --> 01:19:02.350
And I think for some people, it might turn them off to how big he gets in this movie.

01:19:02.350 --> 01:19:04.747
He chews the scenery, he goes wild.

01:19:04.747 --> 01:19:07.961
When he sings in this movie, it's like, what, what movie am I watching right now?

01:19:07.961 --> 01:19:08.912
What is, what is happening?

01:19:08.912 --> 01:19:16.168
And I think for some, like I said, it's not going to work, but for me, it does work because everything else in this movie is so flat, but not in a bad way.

01:19:16.168 --> 01:19:17.260
It's like, it's cold.

01:19:17.260 --> 01:19:22.944
It's stoic specifically Lee in the movie, Mike, Mike Monroe, Mike Monroe, her performance.

01:19:22.944 --> 01:19:25.518
Like she's, she's a, she's a very stoic, cold type of character.

01:19:25.518 --> 01:19:30.314
So when you cut to those scenes with Nick Cage, the energy level just goes through the roof.

01:19:30.314 --> 01:19:33.886
So it creates this like kind of off kilter, uneven dynamic.

01:19:33.886 --> 01:19:36.537
But I think for the movie, I think it's purposeful and I think it works.

01:19:36.537 --> 01:19:42.161
I think that's what makes you unsettled is when you go to his scenes, it's just so outlandish and wild.

01:19:42.161 --> 01:19:42.900
can't help.

01:19:42.900 --> 01:19:44.792
You're going to laugh and you're going be creeped out at the same time.

01:19:44.792 --> 01:19:45.301
Yeah.

01:19:45.301 --> 01:19:54.207
And laughing is what humor or trying to find the humor and scary moments is a sort of a direct response for most folks is that when they're scared, they laugh, right?

01:19:54.207 --> 01:19:55.587
Or they're upset, they laugh.

01:19:55.587 --> 01:19:58.408
That's like sort of the fallback for that.

01:19:58.408 --> 01:20:03.646
And you hit on the I was speaking about earlier about sort of where I was a little uneven.

01:20:03.646 --> 01:20:05.858
I'm also a giant cage fanatic.

01:20:05.858 --> 01:20:12.911
I love Nick Cage and I'm always a fan of if I'm not a fan of the movie, I'm always a fan of his swing, whatever it might be.

01:20:12.911 --> 01:20:13.650
Right.

01:20:13.650 --> 01:20:15.721
And I think he swings, he's and he swings, baby.

01:20:15.721 --> 01:20:16.572
He's fucking Barry Bonds.

01:20:16.572 --> 01:20:19.113
He's up there fucking swinging for the fences every time.

01:20:19.113 --> 01:20:23.418
And, know, in this movie, I will say, and I'm curious to hear his thoughts on this.

01:20:23.418 --> 01:20:27.682
I actually had to listen to an interview from shout out to the big picture, Sean fantasy over at the ringer.

01:20:27.682 --> 01:20:28.853
How'd I love those guys?

01:20:28.853 --> 01:20:29.253
Yeah.

01:20:29.253 --> 01:20:30.033
love those guys.

01:20:30.033 --> 01:20:36.769
interview with Oz Perkins about Nick K, not the movie in general, also specifically Nick cage's role in this movie.

01:20:36.769 --> 01:20:42.042
And I'm not generally a fan of directors or creatives in general telling me this is what I meant to say.

01:20:42.042 --> 01:21:04.315
I like a lot of times for a little ambiguity that way I can sort of make my own mind up, but it was interesting to hear Perkins talk about this where he said This movie takes place in Oregon in the nineties and in the eighties and early nineties, music was under fire and a lot of religious rule America was constantly attacking rock music and metal for being satanic.

01:21:04.315 --> 01:21:06.317
It was like a big thing at that time.

01:21:06.317 --> 01:21:08.578
I remember that time too.

01:21:08.578 --> 01:21:12.920
And speaking of Maxine, which I saw the same week, I saw it on Tuesday, similar thing.

01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:13.949
there's, it's weird.

01:21:13.949 --> 01:21:15.240
Have you seen Maxine yet?

01:21:15.240 --> 01:21:15.841
I haven't.

01:21:15.841 --> 01:21:16.631
I want to though.

01:21:16.631 --> 01:21:18.029
There's a lot of weird.

01:21:18.029 --> 01:21:24.614
parallels between this movie and that movie in terms of like the tone and the quality, in my opinion, are wildly different.

01:21:24.614 --> 01:21:36.164
But there's a lot of psycho inspiration and we'll talk about the inspiration of psycho and why that's so important in this movie, but also the sort of the attack of music in the early, in the late eighties, early nineties.

01:21:36.164 --> 01:21:42.489
And in this movie, Oz Perkins said outright that long legs is obsessed with metal.

01:21:42.489 --> 01:21:50.967
And there was these rumors or at least I think it was all made up bullshit, but parents claim that the devil was speaking to them through the music.

01:21:50.967 --> 01:21:55.890
And in this movie, it's proven that Nick Cage actually was spoken to via his music.

01:21:55.890 --> 01:22:06.166
And the reason why he is dressed up in a white and he's wearing scarves and he's got sort of this flair to him is that he's obsessed with music and that he's obviously mentally ill, but the devil spoke to him from that.

01:22:06.166 --> 01:22:09.337
And that's also explains the plastic surgery.

01:22:09.337 --> 01:22:16.081
At that time, a lot of rock musicians would get plastic surgery in a very terrible way to stay young.

01:22:16.492 --> 01:22:22.105
Nick Cage, who again is a very mentally ill man in Oregon, was doing the same thing.

01:22:22.167 --> 01:22:25.170
So all that to be said, that's sort of the inspiration.

01:22:25.170 --> 01:22:27.572
I did not catch any of that in the movie.

01:22:27.572 --> 01:22:28.903
Not one bit of it.

01:22:28.903 --> 01:22:29.923
None of that.

01:22:29.923 --> 01:22:37.010
But when you think about it after the fact, his singing and his sort of flair and his outfits and his look, the long hair, right?

01:22:37.010 --> 01:22:38.220
Like that's another thing.

01:22:38.220 --> 01:22:39.912
All of that makes so much sense to me now.

01:22:39.912 --> 01:22:44.916
And I think it sort of contextualizes it in a way that I can maybe go back and watch it again and get a lot more out of Right.

01:22:44.916 --> 01:22:46.095
You could appreciate it a little bit more too.

01:22:46.095 --> 01:22:52.726
And I think they also said to the, the white face, cause he has like, he's got such a pastel, like white face.

01:22:52.726 --> 01:22:59.289
I'm pretty sure he also talked about, mean, obviously it could also be from, you know, the performance, the performers and you know, rock bands and things like that.

01:22:59.289 --> 01:23:07.601
But he also said that he remembers his mother when he was younger, wearing like this, like designer cream that would make her face white and how it used to scare the hell out of him.

01:23:07.601 --> 01:23:09.523
And he said that he wanted to put that into this.

01:23:09.523 --> 01:23:11.143
So I found that to be interesting too.

01:23:11.162 --> 01:23:13.234
was that Nick cage or, or Oz?

01:23:13.368 --> 01:23:13.917
That was Nick Cage.

01:23:13.917 --> 01:23:14.779
Okay, cool.

01:23:14.779 --> 01:23:22.326
We'll talk about, actually, I have a note on that about how both Perkins and Cage both said that they dedicated this movie to their mothers in some way or another.

01:23:22.326 --> 01:23:23.076
Very interesting.

01:23:23.076 --> 01:23:25.177
I want to know their thoughts on that.

01:23:25.177 --> 01:23:26.979
I do too.

01:23:26.979 --> 01:23:33.805
And with Oz Perkins too, him being the son of Anthony Perkins and doing Psycho, which is also a movie very much about mothers.

01:23:33.805 --> 01:23:34.395
You know what I mean?

01:23:34.395 --> 01:23:36.878
So it's very interesting that they're kind of doing that here too.

01:23:36.878 --> 01:23:39.190
If you're a mom listening this right now, go hug your son right now.

01:23:39.190 --> 01:23:39.881
Just do it.

01:23:39.881 --> 01:23:40.909
Just inherently.

01:23:40.909 --> 01:23:50.250
So set in Oregon in the 1990s, I said, FBI agent Lee Harker is assigned to an unsolved serial killer case that takes an unexpected turn, revealing evidence of the occult.

01:23:50.250 --> 01:23:54.390
Harker discovers a personal connection to the killer and must stop him before he strikes again.

01:23:54.390 --> 01:23:59.250
So before it's opening, Long Legs had an unblemished 100 % on Rotten Tomatoes.

01:23:59.250 --> 01:24:05.449
I know we talked about this again, as you just said a moment ago, how the hype for this movie was pretty damning overall.

01:24:05.529 --> 01:24:10.542
Like at every chance they could, they were promoting this as like the next great horror film, right?

01:24:10.542 --> 01:24:17.742
Director Oz Perkins requested that Nick Cage not be included in any of the posters or trailers leading up to this release, despite him playing a central character.

01:24:17.742 --> 01:24:22.141
And to promote the film, speaking of the marketing for this film, Neon created a phone number.

01:24:22.141 --> 01:24:25.801
Here's the phone number if you want to try it out for yourself.

01:24:26.301 --> 01:24:35.242
458 -666 -4355, which if you dialed it, you would play a pre -recorded extremely disturbing message from Nick Cage as long legs.

01:24:36.122 --> 01:24:39.242
So I might try to include a clip here of that if it's still around.

01:24:41.998 --> 01:24:47.954
I see it So what's your name?

01:24:48.679 --> 01:24:50.181
Little angel?

01:24:54.542 --> 01:24:56.311
I just actually care.

01:25:07.783 --> 01:25:08.775
That's it.

01:25:09.603 --> 01:25:10.317
That's all you need.

01:25:10.317 --> 01:25:21.911
That's That's a, that's cool stuff.

01:25:21.911 --> 01:25:23.341
I like that quite a bit.

01:25:23.761 --> 01:25:34.807
And then to sort of speak on sort of the, again, the marketing, also Mike Monroe's first established shot of Nick Cage, which as we spoke about was that interrogation scene halfway through the film.

01:25:34.807 --> 01:25:48.761
Mike Monroe was kept completely in the dark about co -star Nick Cage's transformation to the titular serial killer, Long Legs, and had never seen Cage as the character until they shot their first scene which happened to be Cage's final scene of filming on the set.

01:25:48.761 --> 01:25:52.981
During the filming, wore a microphone on her shirt, which had managed to capture her heartbeat.

01:25:52.981 --> 01:25:56.322
Monroe's initial resting BPM was 76.

01:25:56.322 --> 01:26:00.942
When the scene ended, it had spiked to a rate of 170 BPM.

01:26:31.438 --> 01:26:34.497
which I don't know if we have any runners listening to this right now.

01:26:34.497 --> 01:26:36.078
170 is pretty high everybody.

01:26:36.078 --> 01:26:36.537
That's pretty high.

01:26:36.537 --> 01:26:36.738
Yeah.

01:26:36.738 --> 01:26:38.738
That's not a normal amount.

01:26:38.738 --> 01:26:45.318
The of her panicked heartbeat was used in the final production trailer prior to its July 12th release.

01:26:45.318 --> 01:26:47.398
Did you see that on social I I did that.

01:26:47.398 --> 01:26:50.938
That was one of the first, I think that was this week, I think.

01:26:50.938 --> 01:26:51.837
I think they did this at the top.

01:26:51.837 --> 01:26:53.057
At the top of the week, they dropped that.

01:26:53.057 --> 01:26:53.238
Yeah.

01:26:53.238 --> 01:26:54.938
And it was, that got me like super hyped.

01:26:54.938 --> 01:26:57.078
I was like, Oh God, can't wait to see this.

01:26:57.238 --> 01:26:58.118
I have a question for you here.

01:26:58.118 --> 01:27:00.586
So what do you think it is about?

01:27:00.586 --> 01:27:09.970
America's sort of obsession with not only serial killers, but the media about fictional and non -fictional serial killers.

01:27:10.291 --> 01:27:11.801
What's so pervasive about that?

01:27:11.801 --> 01:27:16.184
as podcasters, you tell someone that you do a comic book or a movie podcast.

01:27:16.184 --> 01:27:17.173
They're like, okay, cool.

01:27:17.173 --> 01:27:19.125
And you ask them, do you listen to podcasts?

01:27:19.125 --> 01:27:20.895
And if they do, what's the first thing they say?

01:27:20.895 --> 01:27:22.056
Always serial killer podcasts.

01:27:22.056 --> 01:27:23.377
Crime junkies.

01:27:23.377 --> 01:27:24.609
Crime junkies, yep, yep.

01:27:24.609 --> 01:27:26.640
Wait, so a personal question for you.

01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:29.372
Is your girl into serial killer podcasts and documentaries?

01:27:29.372 --> 01:27:33.036
The only thing that she, yeah she is and it's all podcasts about serial killers.

01:27:33.036 --> 01:27:38.630
It seems like, no joke, half my buddy's girlfriends, they're all into watching those documentaries and things like that.

01:27:38.630 --> 01:27:41.221
So I don't know what it is that always piques their interest about that kind of stuff.

01:27:41.221 --> 01:27:42.033
But yeah.

01:27:42.033 --> 01:27:44.875
They're like knitting on the couch while listening to some gruesome murder.

01:27:44.875 --> 01:27:46.716
Watching this the most horrific thing ever.

01:27:46.716 --> 01:27:51.389
And he was peeling her toenails and eating them and she's like crocheting a fucking blanket.

01:27:53.198 --> 01:27:54.618
But yeah, I don't know what it is.

01:27:54.618 --> 01:28:02.851
It's something about that horrific act that hopefully none of us ever act on, but we always think about it.

01:28:02.851 --> 01:28:07.604
it's like those dirty little things in the back of our head that we just have this interest in.

01:28:07.724 --> 01:28:09.434
And that always seems to tap into it.

01:28:09.434 --> 01:28:11.886
And to be fair, I kind of agree with it.

01:28:11.886 --> 01:28:21.189
Like anytime there's movies that deal with serial killers or things like this, there's just something very interesting about seeing that dark, evil side of people.

01:28:21.537 --> 01:28:22.798
Yeah, just speaking of what you're saying, absolutely.

01:28:22.798 --> 01:28:26.891
It's sort of the, it's the, examining of the other, right?

01:28:26.891 --> 01:28:31.987
Like we are in relative terms, you and I normal quote unquote, right?

01:28:31.987 --> 01:28:45.609
And while we have road rage sometimes, and while we get pissed off at people, I don't think that I would ever be capable of killing someone unless like a family member or someone was attacking my dog or something like, and I think even then I don't know if I would be able to go all the Right.

01:28:45.609 --> 01:28:46.150
Yeah.

01:28:46.150 --> 01:28:49.604
It's one of those, one of those things, I guess they always say like that, that fight or flight kind of mentality.

01:28:49.604 --> 01:28:51.395
It's like, don't really know until you're actually in it.

01:28:51.395 --> 01:28:52.194
Yeah.

01:28:52.305 --> 01:29:03.265
but yeah, but in, that dog, in dog, but in, some people's cases, they, they don't have that, that thing that holds them back from those, those sort of acts, guess you could say.

01:29:03.265 --> 01:29:03.585
Yeah.

01:29:03.585 --> 01:29:07.448
And it's probably a hundred percent of the time mental illness, right?

01:29:07.448 --> 01:29:09.390
It's someone I would, I would think so.

01:29:09.390 --> 01:29:16.043
It's someone who just doesn't have that levy, doesn't have that humanity in them to say I am taking a person's memories.

01:29:16.043 --> 01:29:19.104
I'm taking their accomplishments, their failures.

01:29:19.104 --> 01:29:21.027
I'm taking all of it and I'm ending it right now.

01:29:21.027 --> 01:29:21.947
everything, yeah.

01:29:21.947 --> 01:29:23.698
And it takes a certain kind of someone to do that.

01:29:23.698 --> 01:29:24.748
And it is interesting.

01:29:24.748 --> 01:29:29.612
I do think that like our glorification of serial killers is sort of perverted and gross.

01:29:29.612 --> 01:29:32.814
And I think this movie is having that conversation with us as the audience.

01:29:32.814 --> 01:29:38.377
Like it's, think Oz Perkins and Nick Cage are saying like, stop glorifying serial killers.

01:29:38.377 --> 01:29:39.198
Like.

01:29:39.413 --> 01:29:40.545
Seven is a good example of that.

01:29:40.545 --> 01:29:41.865
Zodiac is a good example of that.

01:29:41.865 --> 01:29:44.436
Silence of the Lambs is the ultimate example of that.

01:29:44.596 --> 01:29:51.582
The more we glorify these mentally ill people, the more that they're going to think that this is going to immortalize them because they don't care about death.

01:29:51.582 --> 01:29:52.542
The death penalty.

01:29:52.542 --> 01:29:52.962
I'm sorry.

01:29:52.962 --> 01:29:58.386
I don't mean to get political here, but like the death penalty is for no one but suburban moms who believe that the street is safer.

01:29:58.386 --> 01:30:01.117
It's not going to take more crazy people off the street because they're crazy.

01:30:01.117 --> 01:30:03.389
We need to solve that problem before they get crazy.

01:30:03.389 --> 01:30:05.865
Everyone, know, them dying.

01:30:05.865 --> 01:30:07.237
is just part of the story.

01:30:07.237 --> 01:30:08.557
They will be immortalized forever.

01:30:08.557 --> 01:30:10.939
I eat Ted Bundy and so on.

01:30:10.939 --> 01:30:16.184
Well, look at, look at, I mean, I guess a perfect example is, that the Dahmer show that came out, think two, years ago, right?

01:30:16.184 --> 01:30:19.277
I so many people watched it because they love Evan Peters.

01:30:19.277 --> 01:30:19.926
You know what I mean?

01:30:19.926 --> 01:30:24.359
And regardless of whether or not, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer was, was bad or not.

01:30:24.360 --> 01:30:29.654
You got a lot of, you know, and we'll say like female, female fans that love Evan Peters and think he's a good looking guy.

01:30:29.654 --> 01:30:32.082
So they're going like two minutes Exactly.

01:30:32.082 --> 01:30:33.702
That's what I'm saying.

01:30:33.702 --> 01:30:34.641
it's it's weird.

01:30:34.641 --> 01:30:36.542
It's just weird when you get that kind of thing.

01:30:36.542 --> 01:30:43.082
So I totally agree with what you're saying about how, we need to stop glorifying these people and literally immortalizing them like that.

01:30:43.082 --> 01:30:43.402
Totally agree.

01:30:43.402 --> 01:30:44.061
Yeah.

01:30:44.061 --> 01:30:46.061
So we have a budget here of $8 .5 million.

01:30:46.061 --> 01:30:53.301
Now for people who, and people listen to the show, know we're talking about Doom part two and Avengers Infinity War.

01:30:53.301 --> 01:31:03.949
$200 million is like a drop in the bucket to these big studios, but Neon and A24 and studios like this, don't operate on the same level as those other big studios.

01:31:03.949 --> 01:31:07.409
$8 .5 million is kind of the standard for these small budget horror films.

01:31:07.409 --> 01:31:18.550
Yeah, and the good thing about this too, and not even just in long lay's case, which I do want to take mention of what's gonna make this weekend, but it's gonna make money and it's automatically gonna turn a profit after it's opening weekend.

01:31:18.550 --> 01:31:25.310
mean, you can thank the marketing campaign for that because this is a movie that if it didn't have as good of a marketing campaign, it probably would have opened in a single digits.

01:31:25.310 --> 01:31:28.094
You and I would have seen it with one other person in the theater.

01:31:28.094 --> 01:31:28.923
Exactly, exactly.

01:31:28.923 --> 01:31:34.076
But because the marketing campaign was so strong, and they really pushed it, it got a lot of people to say, hey, let me go check this out.

01:31:34.076 --> 01:31:36.396
Regardless of whether or they're disappointed, it doesn't matter.

01:31:36.396 --> 01:31:39.057
Because at end of the day, it's not a franchise.

01:31:39.057 --> 01:31:42.038
There's not going to be any kind of sequel that's coming for this movie.

01:31:42.038 --> 01:31:43.279
It's a one and done.

01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:45.038
If they make their money, they're good.

01:31:45.038 --> 01:31:45.920
It doesn't matter.

01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:48.190
It doesn't matter what anybody says if they're disappointed.

01:31:48.190 --> 01:31:50.650
It does not matter because they're going to turn a profit immediately.

01:31:50.650 --> 01:31:52.042
It's going to make a lot of money for the studio.

01:31:52.042 --> 01:32:05.666
It's a win for And if there's a, in a landscape where movie theaters are on the brink of destruction and the movie industry is just in a weird turbulent phase currently with again, with the strikes and sort of the realignment of just the studios and everything.

01:32:05.666 --> 01:32:13.126
The only sure bet now, cause now the superhero movies are no longer a sure bet with the Marvel's making like, you know, less than $200 million overall.

01:32:13.126 --> 01:32:13.565
Right.

01:32:13.565 --> 01:32:14.265
Which is crazy.

01:32:14.265 --> 01:32:19.774
The only sure bet in terms of genre is low budget It's the only thing that's going to turn a profit.

01:32:19.774 --> 01:32:20.554
then maybe it's 40 million.

01:32:20.554 --> 01:32:23.533
Maybe it's like $40 million, but $40 million is not nothing.

01:32:23.533 --> 01:32:24.054
You know what mean?

01:32:24.054 --> 01:32:24.453
Nothing.

01:32:24.453 --> 01:32:27.094
Especially when you always spend 8 million to make it.

01:32:27.253 --> 01:32:27.654
You know?

01:32:27.654 --> 01:32:27.793
Right.

01:32:27.793 --> 01:32:28.253
Absolutely.

01:32:28.253 --> 01:32:39.253
And, know, and with, uh, you know, with neon only making this for 8 .5, I mean, I honestly, I honestly thought that that was, that was somewhat high for, for a movie like this, because to me, like, there's not a whole lot that's going into this movie.

01:32:39.351 --> 01:32:42.662
Quite honestly, I don't know what kind of salary Michael Monroe is getting.

01:32:42.662 --> 01:32:45.625
I can't imagine it being too, too much, even though she probably deserves it.

01:32:45.625 --> 01:32:48.735
Nick Cage, I definitely did not take his usual salary here.

01:32:48.735 --> 01:32:50.166
mean, he's also a producer on the film too.

01:32:50.166 --> 01:32:58.210
So my assumption is he probably could have foregone his salary and might be taking a cut of the profits he might have back in as a producer.

01:32:58.210 --> 01:32:59.439
He might've just completely forgotten it.

01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:03.091
Because Nick Cage is at this point now, he made his money and this is why I love him.

01:33:03.091 --> 01:33:05.472
He's doing whatever he wants to do now.

01:33:05.472 --> 01:33:06.893
And he's appearing in good projects.

01:33:06.893 --> 01:33:09.994
He did Dream Scenario, which was a solid movie.

01:33:09.994 --> 01:33:14.067
Obviously, Pig, which I think is one of the his best performance probably ever.

01:33:14.067 --> 01:33:20.220
You know, Mandy, which I absolutely love, even though that's like, you know, kind of if you want to take acid and watch a movie, that's the way to do it.

01:33:20.501 --> 01:33:24.412
But yeah, he's he's kind of in the stage now where he's just making the films that he wants to make.

01:33:24.412 --> 01:33:33.168
And I'm happy that he's getting more he's appearing in more like high profile projects, because obviously he was in like a lot of low budget stuff, straight to DVD things, you know, that wasn't really doing anything.

01:33:33.168 --> 01:33:36.413
And, you know, last couple of years, he's kind of really come on high.

01:33:36.413 --> 01:33:39.514
And now he's going to be in a Spider -Man Noir project for Amazon.

01:33:39.514 --> 01:33:41.854
That's where he's his money, right there.

01:33:41.993 --> 01:33:43.314
He's going make all his money right there.

01:33:43.314 --> 01:33:43.394
Yeah.

01:33:43.394 --> 01:33:52.332
He could do 20 low budget projects only because he's doing a Amazon driven Spider-Man show.

01:33:52.332 --> 01:33:55.252
Like that's gonna make so much, he's gonna make so much fucking money from that.

01:33:55.252 --> 01:33:55.743
insane.

01:33:55.743 --> 01:33:58.783
He'll be able to buy another copy of Action Comics number one with all the money he makes from that.

01:33:58.783 --> 01:33:59.314
I know, right?

01:33:59.314 --> 01:34:03.364
I also can't believe he's, I also, like that's a project that I just never thought was gonna happen.

01:34:03.364 --> 01:34:04.045
Especially with him.

01:34:04.045 --> 01:34:07.185
Like I thought they gonna make it, I thought they'd pick somebody else, but the fact they got him.

01:34:07.185 --> 01:34:07.956
And it being live action?

01:34:07.956 --> 01:34:09.506
And it being live action.

01:34:09.506 --> 01:34:12.837
So, and like, are they gonna try to tie that into, into the Spider -verse?

01:34:12.837 --> 01:34:13.137
Yeah.

01:34:13.137 --> 01:34:13.627
Well, maybe.

01:34:13.627 --> 01:34:14.068
We'll see.

01:34:14.068 --> 01:34:14.747
I don't know.

01:34:14.747 --> 01:34:20.770
Well, you mentioned a minute ago about profit and how like, if he's going to make any money off of this, it's probably gonna be a percentage of the movie.

01:34:20.770 --> 01:34:21.421
And.

01:34:21.421 --> 01:34:33.921
Based on the box office here, that seems to be a pretty good bet because Long Legs actually hit three million domestically on Thursday, preview night, and then 7 .2 on Friday last night, which are both records for neon overall.

01:34:34.202 --> 01:34:43.462
Quorum box office, which as you know, as many people know, is sort of the staple of terms of like box office projections and sort of just a hub for information.

01:34:43.582 --> 01:34:47.694
Tracking predicts that the film could do 17 to 20 million in the entire weekend.

01:34:47.694 --> 01:34:52.394
which we had Scarlett Johansson and Channing Tatum's lead, Fly Me to the Moon came out the same day.

01:34:52.394 --> 01:34:55.094
We'll get about 12 to 15 million in its opening weekend.

01:34:55.094 --> 01:35:05.854
To put that in context for everybody, again, Neon being sort of a very specific example with this, there are only five Neon films that have ever made over $10 million just total, just overall domestically in the box office.

01:35:05.854 --> 01:35:17.002
Ferrari made 18 .5, Itania, which I actually didn't know was Neon, made 30 million, and then Parasite, unsurprisingly after the Oscar buzz and everything, made 53 million.

01:35:17.002 --> 01:35:20.702
Where do you think Long Legs will sort of plant itself at the end of its run?

01:35:20.702 --> 01:35:24.202
Will it be Parasite at 50 or will it be more of like Itania at 30?

01:35:24.202 --> 01:35:28.561
So I want to say that it's going to pass Parasite.

01:35:28.561 --> 01:35:35.181
But my worry is that, you know, obviously movie goer word of mouth is mixed on this film, which is to be expected.

01:35:35.181 --> 01:35:36.662
I knew that was going to happen.

01:35:36.662 --> 01:35:40.902
So I don't, it's probably going to take a pretty big nose dive next weekend.

01:35:40.902 --> 01:35:45.677
It's probably going to drop a lot as most horror movies do in general, but it doesn't matter because it's already made back its budget.

01:35:45.677 --> 01:35:49.618
But obviously, I see you have here that it could open 17 to 20.

01:35:49.618 --> 01:35:52.097
That projection has been bumped up to 20 to 23 right now.

01:35:52.097 --> 01:35:52.497
Oh, damn.

01:35:52.497 --> 01:35:55.597
Because there's a lot more walk up business than they were expecting.

01:35:55.597 --> 01:35:58.717
So if this opens on the higher end at 23 million, that's insane.

01:35:58.717 --> 01:36:00.137
That's absolutely wild.

01:36:00.137 --> 01:36:00.797
So it doesn't matter.

01:36:00.797 --> 01:36:01.578
It doesn't matter at this point.

01:36:01.578 --> 01:36:09.217
But obviously, if it does open to 23, it has that outside chance of at least getting really close to parasites final.

01:36:09.217 --> 01:36:09.997
I hope it does.

01:36:09.997 --> 01:36:12.757
I hope it makes a good amount of money because.

01:36:12.779 --> 01:36:15.822
You know, even though I don't think it's, you know, the scariest horror movie ever.

01:36:15.822 --> 01:36:17.692
I think it's a well -made film.

01:36:17.832 --> 01:36:24.216
I think you have two actors in it that are, you know, working at the top of their game and it's, it's, it's just, it's, it's an original film.

01:36:24.216 --> 01:36:26.877
It's an original movie that does something different.

01:36:26.877 --> 01:36:31.119
And you know, people always complained about how they want it and, they never go support it.

01:36:31.119 --> 01:36:32.640
So this is one to go support.

01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:35.483
This is a movie that like demands our support.

01:36:35.483 --> 01:36:37.314
This is the type of movies that we need.

01:36:37.314 --> 01:36:41.365
If we don't want, you know, live action remakes of Disney films forever.

01:36:41.453 --> 01:36:43.974
and average Star Wars and Marvel movies.

01:36:43.974 --> 01:36:46.854
This is the movie movies that we need to back.

01:36:47.354 --> 01:36:47.894
for sure.

01:36:47.894 --> 01:37:01.645
I think, you know, speaking of what you saying there, Thursday and Friday registered a 68 % of, let me just preface this really quickly because Aaron and I very rarely ever, ever reference Rotten Tomatoes, but I think this is interesting because Rotten Tomatoes is a very divisive sort of unreliable.

01:37:01.645 --> 01:37:02.626
resource, right?

01:37:02.626 --> 01:37:08.645
You know, and as it should be, think, I think there was a couple of years ago where studios really took Rotten Tomatoes as a marketing ploy.

01:37:08.645 --> 01:37:10.065
They use it as a marketing device.

01:37:10.065 --> 01:37:18.166
And I think a lot of people don't understand exactly how Rotten Tomatoes works as an aggregate, not an actual reflection of how good the movie could potentially be.

01:37:18.166 --> 01:37:18.626
Right.

01:37:18.626 --> 01:37:19.006
Yeah.

01:37:19.006 --> 01:37:29.377
And, you know, speaking on that Thursday and Friday, it had a 68 % on Rotten Tomatoes for audiences, but it earned a critical score sitting right around 90 % certified fresh in terms of critics.

01:37:29.377 --> 01:37:34.250
which as you said sort of indicates the divisiveness between reviewers and general audiences.

01:37:34.250 --> 01:37:41.203
I want to ask you really quick, when you went to go see it, what was sort of the general audience for this viewing?

01:37:41.203 --> 01:37:44.243
It was, first of all, my theater I to was packed.

01:37:44.345 --> 01:37:47.787
It wasn't sold out, but almost every seat was filled in the theater.

01:37:47.787 --> 01:37:55.029
So much so that I had to sit in the back of the front section, which I normally don't like doing, but this theater was big enough that I wasn't like solely up on it.

01:37:55.029 --> 01:37:56.911
Sort of like looking up at long legs.

01:37:56.911 --> 01:37:59.752
Yeah, I wasn't breaking my neck looking up at it, but yeah, it was pretty packed.

01:37:59.752 --> 01:38:00.832
And it was kind of a mix.

01:38:00.832 --> 01:38:11.938
mean, obviously it was more younger audiences than it was older audiences, but, and even coming out of it, like, you you always, if you walk out and if you're standing there, you can always see people chattering about the movie, their quick thoughts on it.

01:38:11.938 --> 01:38:12.528
And it was mixed.

01:38:12.528 --> 01:38:16.551
Some people were really liked, some people were creeped out by it, but other people thought it was bullshit and they didn't care for it.

01:38:16.551 --> 01:38:17.412
You know what I mean?

01:38:17.412 --> 01:38:18.733
But that's how goes with horror movies.

01:38:18.733 --> 01:38:19.273
know what I mean?

01:38:19.273 --> 01:38:24.606
Horror is like comedy, whereas everyone has a specific thing that either makes them laugh or makes them scared.

01:38:24.606 --> 01:38:26.877
And if the movie doesn't hit that for them, it's not gonna work.

01:38:26.877 --> 01:38:28.309
And that's just how it goes.

01:38:28.989 --> 01:38:41.525
You know, for me, I, actually, did you find any of this like to be like really like unnerving and scary to You know, it's crazy because I went to this movie extremely hyped and I was like fully drinking the Kool -Aid that the marketing team was putting together.

01:38:41.525 --> 01:38:43.426
I was on board 100%.

01:38:43.426 --> 01:38:47.386
And I think nothing really stuck with me.

01:38:47.386 --> 01:38:50.445
I will say, I think I just admired it sort of from afar.

01:38:50.445 --> 01:38:59.725
What I really wanted was sort of that hereditary effect where like it haunted me for days afterwards and I couldn't stop thinking about it, but I just, at no point did I, I think they were close a couple of times.

01:38:59.725 --> 01:39:01.326
Again, I really liked the sound design.

01:39:01.326 --> 01:39:06.922
I really liked the establishing shots, the ambiance of Just everything about it was like totally my jive.

01:39:06.922 --> 01:39:09.444
Like I was really, I was into it as my jam.

01:39:09.444 --> 01:39:14.095
But even that, that, opening scene where he's like hiding behind the house, you see him for a quick second.

01:39:14.095 --> 01:39:14.595
He goes away.

01:39:14.595 --> 01:39:15.506
I'm like, my God.

01:39:15.506 --> 01:39:16.827
I was like, this is going to be the greatest movie.

01:39:16.827 --> 01:39:17.617
You know what I mean?

01:39:17.617 --> 01:39:19.618
From that first thing it's set, it set the tone.

01:39:19.618 --> 01:39:20.599
was like, all right, here we go.

01:39:20.599 --> 01:39:20.809
Yeah.

01:39:20.809 --> 01:39:23.539
And it, and it had that effect of where it was like an old camera.

01:39:23.539 --> 01:39:25.060
I don't even know what that ratio would be.

01:39:25.060 --> 01:39:32.564
It's not, it's not like Zack Snyder, you know, cornered, you know, black, black sides, but, and they even do something pretty cool.

01:39:32.564 --> 01:39:33.594
This is way.

01:39:33.645 --> 01:39:40.426
farther in the movie, but they expanded that ratio from like a passing and they made it into a wide wide like 17 by nine.

01:39:40.426 --> 01:39:42.025
I think it's the wide is that wide screen.

01:39:42.025 --> 01:39:43.506
Yeah, 16 by 16 by nine.

01:39:43.506 --> 01:39:43.746
That's right.

01:39:43.746 --> 01:39:44.145
Yeah.

01:39:44.145 --> 01:39:45.225
So that was cool.

01:39:45.225 --> 01:39:51.685
And again, just to kind of summarize it, you know, similar to what you had in your theater, we went to go see it in a relatively small theater.

01:39:51.685 --> 01:39:56.985
I think it was like maybe less than less than 70 seats in the theater.

01:39:56.985 --> 01:40:00.966
But but the theater itself, like the screen and the sound, everything was great.

01:40:01.358 --> 01:40:08.377
people were, it was mostly younger, I would say people like maybe in their early twenties ish and people seem to be in it.

01:40:08.377 --> 01:40:10.438
Like I was actually really, this is funny.

01:40:10.438 --> 01:40:14.257
I was really proud of this audience for being engaged based on the content.

01:40:14.257 --> 01:40:19.457
Like I thought based on who I was seeing walking into the theater, I was sort of nervous that people were going to be rude or stupid.

01:40:19.457 --> 01:40:21.337
had to, I would have to yell at some 17 year old.

01:40:21.337 --> 01:40:23.384
I had that same worry too man.

01:40:23.384 --> 01:40:24.175
But people were cool.

01:40:24.175 --> 01:40:28.738
Like honestly, for the most part, everyone, the only person that was like annoying was they had this old person whose phone went off at one point.

01:40:28.738 --> 01:40:30.180
But outside of that, everyone was cool.

01:40:30.180 --> 01:40:33.193
So, know, like I think, I think the movie reflects it though.

01:40:33.193 --> 01:40:39.938
Cause I think like when you watch it, like the way the movie's made and the way it's shot and how it's edited and like the sound design, like it keeps your attention.

01:40:39.938 --> 01:40:41.489
Like the movie to me is never boring.

01:40:41.489 --> 01:40:44.542
It is a slow burn for the most part, but it's never boring.

01:40:44.542 --> 01:40:49.546
And you're always, like I said, cause you always have that, that inclination that something's going to pop out of the corner and get you.

01:40:49.546 --> 01:40:50.016
You know what I mean?

01:40:50.016 --> 01:40:51.858
There's always So keeps your attention.

01:40:51.858 --> 01:40:56.938
I think it's whether or not it really delivers at the end of the film that if you're gonna think it's a success or not.

01:40:56.938 --> 01:40:58.618
And I wanna get to that, because that's very important.

01:40:58.618 --> 01:40:59.518
I agree with you 100%.

01:40:59.518 --> 01:41:09.938
I wanna continue on to sort of set the stage, but the ending is something that we need to speak on specifically because not to spoil anything quite yet, but that's where I feel like I may have made a turn or at least had some questions at the end.

01:41:09.938 --> 01:41:11.757
So why don't you go over to the director here?

01:41:11.757 --> 01:41:12.898
Because I spoke about a little bit.

01:41:12.898 --> 01:41:19.167
Oz Perkins is someone who I think is maybe one of the more interesting voices upcoming in the movie scene.

01:41:19.167 --> 01:41:20.838
He is, and I have to make a confession too.

01:41:20.838 --> 01:41:23.149
I have not seen any of his other work other than this film.

01:41:23.149 --> 01:41:23.599
You know what?

01:41:23.599 --> 01:41:24.238
That's fine.

01:41:24.238 --> 01:41:29.801
Honestly, I've seen the Black Coat's daughter and Hansel, Gretel and Hansel, neither of them.

01:41:29.801 --> 01:41:30.560
So yes.

01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:30.961
Yeah.

01:41:30.961 --> 01:41:34.882
So I know, know they're, you know, Black Coat's daughter has its fans.

01:41:34.882 --> 01:41:37.323
That also has Karen Shipka in it as well.

01:41:37.323 --> 01:41:37.932
Yeah.

01:41:37.932 --> 01:41:38.423
Yeah.

01:41:38.423 --> 01:41:39.043
Who's in it here.

01:41:39.043 --> 01:41:41.054
And I think her scene is very effective in this movie too.

01:41:41.054 --> 01:41:41.934
Yep.

01:41:41.934 --> 01:41:45.905
And then obviously Gretel and Hansel came out and I remember when it came out, I remember how great it looked.

01:41:45.905 --> 01:41:46.216
Yes.

01:41:46.216 --> 01:41:47.586
The trailer looked incredible.

01:41:47.586 --> 01:41:49.567
Symmetography was so good.

01:41:49.868 --> 01:41:57.863
And then when the movie came out and I was gonna eventually check it out and then I heard that the cinematography was the only thing it had going for it and not much else.

01:41:57.863 --> 01:41:59.373
like, all right, I guess I'll wait.

01:41:59.373 --> 01:42:00.305
If I can catch it, I catch it.

01:42:00.305 --> 01:42:01.235
If don't, I don't.

01:42:01.235 --> 01:42:07.760
But yeah, I haven't seen any of his other work, but I do know that his stuff is mixed and not a lot of it gets great reviews.

01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:12.283
So when this was like getting great reviews, I was like, maybe he's made that step now.

01:42:12.283 --> 01:42:16.014
Because all directors, any great director always has that movie.

01:42:16.014 --> 01:42:17.414
where they take that next big step.

01:42:17.414 --> 01:42:21.515
And it's like, they just elevate themselves to a different stratosphere that they weren't working in before.

01:42:21.515 --> 01:42:22.886
So I thought that this might've been it.

01:42:22.886 --> 01:42:32.350
And obviously I can't really talk about it because I haven't seen any of his other work, but just from my own opinions of watching it, it's a really solid film.

01:42:32.350 --> 01:42:35.722
Like from a technical aspect, I think it does get the creep factor right.

01:42:35.722 --> 01:42:43.899
think, if you're not too accustomed to horror films, think you will, at least some of this stuff will stay with you after you see You know what I mean?

01:42:43.899 --> 01:42:45.371
So I think it's successful in that aspect.

01:42:45.371 --> 01:42:51.543
I think where it sort of loses me a little bit, not that the ending takes me out of it, but I think it's a little predictable.

01:42:51.543 --> 01:42:53.375
I think the writing is not as strong as it needs to be.

01:42:53.375 --> 01:42:59.568
I think it could have hit its cards a little bit better because when that third act twist does happen, there's a big kind of exposition dump.

01:42:59.568 --> 01:43:04.170
And even though don't think it's bad in any way, I don't think they needed to spell it out as much as they did.

01:43:04.170 --> 01:43:10.192
I thought they could have maybe done a more clever job as to unveiling as to what's going Isn't that the fun of horror, right?

01:43:10.192 --> 01:43:13.604
Like good horror is a lot of times leaving it up to the audience to connect the dots.

01:43:13.604 --> 01:43:20.367
And the moment you sort of spell, I think, and I just said it a moment ago, hereditary, think is a good example of that where they don't really lay anything out for you.

01:43:20.367 --> 01:43:28.050
And by the end of it, when things are really hitting the fan and there's no explanation of what's really going on, sort of, it rewards upon rewatch.

01:43:28.050 --> 01:43:38.542
And I want to say really quickly, just to contextualize sort of Oz Perkins and his filmography is that I've seen Gretel Hansel, not great, the Black Coach daughter, we talked about this on your show on the FN Nerds back in the day with Martin.

01:43:38.542 --> 01:43:40.442
sort of a 24 as a whole, right?

01:43:40.442 --> 01:43:44.421
We like, we sort of just surmised like the studio and what we liked about it, what we didn't like about it.

01:43:44.421 --> 01:43:48.641
And I made a list through COVID when I went through and watched every single a 24 movie.

01:43:48.641 --> 01:43:50.641
And I still have that list on letterbox.

01:43:50.641 --> 01:43:58.042
The, the black coats daughter is at 84th out of, out of 107 films.

01:43:58.681 --> 01:44:00.101
not great everybody.

01:44:00.101 --> 01:44:00.721
Not great.

01:44:00.721 --> 01:44:01.082
Yeah.

01:44:01.082 --> 01:44:01.622
Yeah.

01:44:01.622 --> 01:44:01.981
Yeah.

01:44:01.981 --> 01:44:09.551
I think, I think it was one those movies too, where I think one the things I heard about it is that it's got an interesting build up and then the ending doesn't deliver like it should.

01:44:09.551 --> 01:44:12.462
And think that that's kind of seems like it's been in Oz Perkins wheelhouse.

01:44:12.462 --> 01:44:16.265
Unfortunately, that he's he makes interesting films, but they don't normally deliver.

01:44:16.265 --> 01:44:22.940
I think this one delivers in the way that it gives you what you want and are expecting, but it doesn't surprise you in any way.

01:44:22.940 --> 01:44:25.063
And I think that that's probably my biggest knock on and why.

01:44:25.063 --> 01:44:35.721
Like, I don't think it kind of has left into like that great category in terms of like me saying this is a great movie because like you can kind of if you've seen enough movies, you can kind of really pick it apart from the beginning.

01:44:35.721 --> 01:44:38.171
Like can see where things are gonna eventually go.

01:44:38.171 --> 01:44:46.855
Now there were a few things that caught me by surprise that I wasn't expecting, but for the most part, especially where we end up and what happens, I kind of expect that to happen.

01:44:47.155 --> 01:45:00.863
And to make that connection again, Hereditary is one of those, exactly what you're speaking on, where I went into a movie with a certain expectation and it just wildly blew it out of the water based on its unpredictability and sort of the way that the film, the journey it took me on in the film.

01:45:00.863 --> 01:45:08.527
And I think to compare it, Hereditary would be a really fun roller coaster that at the very end throws you in some water.

01:45:08.527 --> 01:45:22.292
Whereas this film is a roller coaster that you can see the entire ride from the track and you see where you're going the entire time and it's fun, but you're probably only going to ride it maybe one time and then maybe tell folks that maybe they should just give it a shot and see what they think about it.

01:45:22.292 --> 01:45:22.573
Yeah.

01:45:22.573 --> 01:45:31.457
And it's kind of in the same way too, where, like you said, after you watch it, there is a discussion to be had about it because I think there are interesting things in it and I think it does some interesting stuff.

01:45:31.457 --> 01:45:42.405
And one of those things is I almost kind of like when a movie you think it's not gonna go in a certain direction and then it ends up delivering something that you weren't expecting.

01:45:42.685 --> 01:45:46.065
To put it in, to give an example, 10 Cloverfield Lane, right?

01:45:46.065 --> 01:45:51.426
So 10 Cloverfield Lane is a movie where you think it's about an alien invasion, but you're like, is it just this crazy guy?

01:45:51.426 --> 01:45:53.426
Is it just gonna be a thriller in this bunker?

01:45:53.426 --> 01:45:54.865
And for the most part, it is that.

01:45:54.865 --> 01:45:59.546
And then at the very end, it actually does deliver on it being an alien invasion movie, spoiler alert.

01:46:00.046 --> 01:46:01.605
It's From a movie that came out like 2016.

01:46:01.605 --> 01:46:02.506
From a movie that came out, exactly.

01:46:02.506 --> 01:46:04.373
If you haven't seen it, it's on you.

01:46:04.373 --> 01:46:05.244
It's the same thing here though.

01:46:05.244 --> 01:46:09.488
It's like, you this whole thing you're hearing about religious, religious, religious, you know, the devil, all this other stuff.

01:46:09.488 --> 01:46:12.962
And you think that it's just going to be this police procedural with them catching a serial killer.

01:46:12.962 --> 01:46:14.063
They caught him good.

01:46:14.063 --> 01:46:16.515
No, it actually is about the devil and it does deliver on that front.

01:46:16.515 --> 01:46:17.586
And I did like that.

01:46:17.586 --> 01:46:19.547
I just kind of wish there was more to it.

01:46:19.547 --> 01:46:27.555
So doubling back on Oz Perkins, Oz Perkins is the son of Anthony Perkins, who is best known for playing Norman Bates in Alfred Hitchcock's The Psycho, as well as three sequels.

01:46:27.555 --> 01:46:29.886
Have you seen any other Psycho movies other than the first one?

01:46:29.886 --> 01:46:31.118
I've seen the first two.

01:46:31.181 --> 01:46:31.622
Okay.

01:46:31.622 --> 01:46:32.481
What'd you think of the second one?

01:46:32.481 --> 01:46:33.601
Second one's better than people say.

01:46:33.601 --> 01:46:38.502
think people give that's what I hear that it gets a bad rep, it's much watching it after the fact.

01:46:38.502 --> 01:46:45.202
what, again, as you said earlier, kind of like after all of the hoopla dies down, uh, it's worth, it's worth a watch.

01:46:45.202 --> 01:46:45.761
think.

01:46:45.761 --> 01:46:47.122
Yeah, definitely.

01:46:47.122 --> 01:46:47.381
Yep.

01:46:47.381 --> 01:46:52.782
Uh, Perkins is actually currently working on another neon horror film called the monkey starring Theo James, Tatiana Maslany and Elijah Wood.

01:46:52.782 --> 01:46:53.841
That's a good, that's a solid cast.

01:46:53.841 --> 01:46:54.981
That's a really solid cast.

01:46:54.981 --> 01:46:58.002
Uh, and it's based on a 1980 short story by Stephen King.

01:46:58.002 --> 01:47:02.890
You know, Elijah was another one who's, kind of sneakily like doing the things that he wants to do.

01:47:02.890 --> 01:47:04.061
And he also produces a lot.

01:47:04.061 --> 01:47:04.863
He produced Mandy.

01:47:04.863 --> 01:47:09.599
He does a lot of, he has like, I'm pretty sure he has his own label, but he does a lot of like indie horror films, which is pretty cool.

01:47:09.599 --> 01:47:14.444
That's what those guys that did the early Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, like Dan and Red Clef, a good example of that too.

01:47:14.444 --> 01:47:15.685
They're just doing whatever the fuck they want.

01:47:15.685 --> 01:47:17.056
Cause they made all that money.

01:47:17.056 --> 01:47:17.877
They got all that money.

01:47:17.877 --> 01:47:18.448
All that money.

01:47:18.448 --> 01:47:19.500
the hell they want.

01:47:19.500 --> 01:47:20.000
It's great.

01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:20.350
That's great.

01:47:20.350 --> 01:47:21.521
I absolutely love it.

01:47:21.677 --> 01:47:27.158
And then surprisingly enough, Perkins actually played the younger version, Norman Bates in Richard Franklin's Psycho 2.

01:47:27.158 --> 01:47:30.898
And he is credited as uninteresting guy in the 2001 kind of Now That a Teen Movie.

01:47:30.898 --> 01:47:32.877
He was also in Legally Blonde as well.

01:47:32.877 --> 01:47:33.717
That's right.

01:47:33.717 --> 01:47:33.858
Yeah.

01:47:33.858 --> 01:47:34.297
Yeah.

01:47:34.297 --> 01:47:34.557
Yeah.

01:47:34.557 --> 01:47:39.377
Go back and watch Now That a Teen Movie and he's the guy that gets hit on by Chris Evans' sister.

01:47:42.082 --> 01:47:43.804
My name is Catherine.

01:47:44.127 --> 01:47:45.347
Yeah, I know.

01:47:45.569 --> 01:47:47.853
We just had sex five minutes ago.

01:47:50.493 --> 01:47:51.293
Yeah.

01:47:52.994 --> 01:47:55.556
It's so funny how some of these guys, what they do in their early careers.

01:47:55.556 --> 01:47:56.356
Yeah.

01:47:56.356 --> 01:47:59.139
Especially in the early 2000s where you're just getting work where you could.

01:47:59.139 --> 01:47:59.859
Exactly.

01:47:59.859 --> 01:48:00.439
Exactly.

01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:01.569
So the composer is interesting.

01:48:01.569 --> 01:48:03.270
And as we said earlier, the sound design is pretty great.

01:48:03.270 --> 01:48:04.582
I think it's one of the highlights of the film.

01:48:04.582 --> 01:48:05.942
Did you say, did you think that as well?

01:48:05.942 --> 01:48:07.332
Yeah, no, I absolutely thought so too.

01:48:07.332 --> 01:48:08.654
And that's, that's a big part of our films.

01:48:08.654 --> 01:48:09.975
You have to have really great sound design.

01:48:09.975 --> 01:48:11.865
You know, it's already get that creepiness across.

01:48:11.865 --> 01:48:13.827
So this is really interesting.

01:48:13.827 --> 01:48:15.637
The composer for this film is credited as Ziji.

01:48:15.637 --> 01:48:16.778
I think it's how you say that.

01:48:16.778 --> 01:48:18.069
Is that you would say that?

01:48:18.069 --> 01:48:19.090
I think so.

01:48:19.090 --> 01:48:20.194
No other work.

01:48:20.194 --> 01:48:21.975
First time on a film.

01:48:22.015 --> 01:48:25.377
And I had to do a little deep dive on this and it's been sort of rumored.

01:48:25.377 --> 01:48:36.623
It's not confirmed, but this I think is a pseudo name for Elvis Perkins, who is his brother, also the son of Anthony Perkins, who previously worked on Perkins' previous films, The Black Coast Daughter and Now I Pretty Thing that Lives in this House.

01:48:36.623 --> 01:48:37.744
So that's interesting.

01:48:37.744 --> 01:48:45.902
I don't know why he switched to like a pseudonym or, you Yeah, I don't know why he would want to do that, especially since he's already done work with his brother before.

01:48:45.902 --> 01:48:47.242
So that's that'd be interesting.

01:48:47.242 --> 01:48:50.502
I think he's an art like he's an actual musical artist outside of his composing.

01:48:50.502 --> 01:48:58.402
So maybe this is the way that he can sort of separate his work between, you know, behind the scenes filming and then like his actual all that other work.

01:48:58.402 --> 01:49:00.881
So runtime is an hour and 41 minutes.

01:49:00.921 --> 01:49:01.761
Pretty good amount.

01:49:01.761 --> 01:49:04.462
Never once did I look at my clock and go, OK, we're going to feed this thing up.

01:49:04.462 --> 01:49:05.261
What's going on here?

01:49:05.261 --> 01:49:06.282
Is this movie over yet?

01:49:06.282 --> 01:49:08.782
Yeah, I think it was it was a perfect amount.

01:49:08.782 --> 01:49:12.662
And I think, I think even my girlfriend, Olivia said at one point, she's like one hour and 40 minutes.

01:49:12.662 --> 01:49:14.301
That's like a good amount for a horror film.

01:49:14.301 --> 01:49:16.921
And my sort of thought on this, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on it.

01:49:16.921 --> 01:49:20.202
Our like a 90 minute horror film is like perfect for me.

01:49:20.202 --> 01:49:23.362
If you can tell me a good horror film in 90 minutes, bam, I'm in and out.

01:49:23.362 --> 01:49:24.242
good to go.

01:49:24.242 --> 01:49:24.421
Yeah.

01:49:24.421 --> 01:49:26.282
I mean, I kind of live by the whole notion.

01:49:26.282 --> 01:49:30.841
think Roger, Roger Ebert said this, no good movie is too long and no bad movie is too short.

01:49:30.902 --> 01:49:33.141
So, mean, but yeah, I'm totally with you.

01:49:33.141 --> 01:49:44.282
Like I think, I think we need to kind of get into a rhythm where more movies really focusing on like, cause I've seen, I definitely seen so many movies where I'm like, you could just lob 20 minutes out of this.

01:49:44.282 --> 01:49:45.902
Like it does, it does not need to be this long.

01:49:45.902 --> 01:49:50.202
think Netflix is as, as a real big issue with that because they really don't police that kind of stuff.

01:49:50.202 --> 01:49:55.301
It's like, we need to kind of really like kind of focus on telling a solid story and cut out a lot of the extra junk.

01:49:55.301 --> 01:49:56.502
And if you want to do a director's cut, cool.

01:49:56.502 --> 01:49:57.782
I'm all for director's cuts.

01:49:58.181 --> 01:49:59.902
I'm all for, I'm all for Snyder cuts.

01:50:02.462 --> 01:50:07.423
I love the director's cut as long as it's not direct, as long as it's not Zack Snyder who does them every time.

01:50:07.423 --> 01:50:10.197
every time and it's become a marketing thing now with him.

01:50:10.197 --> 01:50:13.109
But yeah, but you know, I think for this movie, I think they got it right.

01:50:13.109 --> 01:50:14.529
I don't think there's any fat on this movie.

01:50:14.529 --> 01:50:15.801
think it's the perfect length.

01:50:15.801 --> 01:50:18.604
I think it tells an effective story and what it's trying to do.

01:50:18.604 --> 01:50:22.648
And now you, throughout this review, I could feel you sort of nudging and wanting to talk about the cast.

01:50:22.648 --> 01:50:24.229
So I'm going to hand the baton off to you.

01:50:24.229 --> 01:50:26.720
Will you go over the cast here and then we can sort of just divulge it?

01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:28.893
Because it's the most interesting part of the film, I think.

01:50:28.893 --> 01:50:29.974
I think so too.

01:50:29.974 --> 01:50:32.636
So got Michael Monroe, who plays Lee Harker.

01:50:32.636 --> 01:50:34.670
Nicholas Cage plays Long Legs, obviously.

01:50:34.670 --> 01:50:37.989
Blair Underwood, Agent Carter, I think he's great in this movie.

01:50:37.989 --> 01:50:40.850
of the better character actors since the 90s, think.

01:50:40.850 --> 01:50:42.189
Very unsung hero.

01:50:42.189 --> 01:50:43.489
100 % agree.

01:50:43.770 --> 01:50:58.090
Alicia Witt as Ruth Harker, Michelle Koy Lee as Agent Browning, Dakota Dubly as Agent Horatio Fisk, and then Kiernan Shipka as Carrie Anne Kamara, who has only one scene, but her scene is very effective.

01:50:58.510 --> 01:51:02.149
You've got freaking Sabrina the Teenage Witch in this movie, which is pretty cool.

01:51:02.250 --> 01:51:02.689
Oh, right.

01:51:02.689 --> 01:51:03.989
Yeah, that's right.

01:51:04.270 --> 01:51:09.670
But yeah, so, so Michael Monroe and I see that you have it here, which is, which is fantastic.

01:51:09.670 --> 01:51:11.829
Is she one of our best modern screen queens?

01:51:12.050 --> 01:51:13.970
I 100 % think that she is.

01:51:13.970 --> 01:51:17.229
How do you not include her in that?

01:51:17.229 --> 01:51:18.710
She has to, she has to be.

01:51:18.710 --> 01:51:25.069
And I think people sometimes forget about her because, because a lot of her movies while they're good, I think they fly under the radar.

01:51:25.069 --> 01:51:31.210
mean, obviously it follows for me, I think is one of my, like, it was one of my favorite movies of like the last decade.

01:51:31.221 --> 01:51:36.884
I'm very interested to see because now it's getting a sequel, which I'm a little nervous about, but it is the same, you know, team coming back.

01:51:36.884 --> 01:51:37.845
So we'll see how that goes.

01:51:37.845 --> 01:51:39.645
But I absolutely love it follows.

01:51:39.645 --> 01:51:43.856
And then I actually got to give a shout out to Martin on this one because Martin's a big horror guy.

01:51:43.856 --> 01:51:45.948
He showed me Watcher.

01:51:45.948 --> 01:51:50.789
she was in that she was in, I think came out two years ago now that's on Shutter now.

01:51:50.890 --> 01:51:51.470
Really good.

01:51:51.470 --> 01:51:54.891
Another one that's a slow burn, but absolutely delivers on the ending.

01:51:54.891 --> 01:51:58.432
And she has like I don't want to was just pulling things.

01:51:58.432 --> 01:52:02.822
I do want people to check it out, where her character kind of goes and how it ends up.

01:52:02.822 --> 01:52:04.341
Like she's, I just think she's the best.

01:52:04.341 --> 01:52:05.082
She's so good.

01:52:05.082 --> 01:52:09.061
Have you seen her work with on the guest is the 2014 film with Dan Stevens.

01:52:09.061 --> 01:52:09.641
You seen that one?

01:52:09.641 --> 01:52:10.101
Yes.

01:52:10.101 --> 01:52:10.782
Very good.

01:52:10.782 --> 01:52:10.862
Yeah.

01:52:10.862 --> 01:52:15.462
And Dan Stevens is another one not to get too off topic, but Dan Stevens having stuff a year right now.

01:52:15.462 --> 01:52:15.822
Yeah.

01:52:15.822 --> 01:52:20.162
I had a good between this and Cuckoo and Abigail and then Cuckoo's got coming out.

01:52:20.162 --> 01:52:22.402
We saw a trailer for I'm like, I fucking love Dan Stevens.

01:52:22.402 --> 01:52:22.521
Yeah.

01:52:22.521 --> 01:52:28.423
I think we're to get a real Dan Stevens research, a search here in 2025 will be big for I think so too.

01:52:28.423 --> 01:52:29.676
absolutely think so too.

01:52:29.676 --> 01:52:33.137
But yeah, no, but like I can't speak enough about Micah Monroe.

01:52:33.137 --> 01:52:34.038
Very reserved.

01:52:34.038 --> 01:52:39.483
Real quick, just while we're on the topic, give me, do you have, just off the top of head, sorry, I don't mean to put you on the spot.

01:52:39.483 --> 01:52:39.903
Yeah.

01:52:39.903 --> 01:52:46.938
Three modern scream queens that should be just immortalized right now as definitive scream queens.

01:52:46.938 --> 01:52:49.750
You got Micah, of course.

01:52:50.229 --> 01:52:51.832
Yes, I would put Micah Monroe in there.

01:52:51.832 --> 01:52:55.594
I would put, can we say Mia Goth?

01:52:55.630 --> 01:53:02.270
Meaghan, I mean, at this point, yeah, between the X trilogy, what was the one she did last year with with Cornyn Burst kid.

01:53:02.270 --> 01:53:03.050
Infinity Pool.

01:53:03.050 --> 01:53:03.350
Yeah.

01:53:03.350 --> 01:53:04.109
Infinity Pool.

01:53:04.109 --> 01:53:07.010
And then I would probably also put Samantha Weaving.

01:53:07.029 --> 01:53:07.970
Okay, yeah.

01:53:07.970 --> 01:53:08.430
Yeah.

01:53:08.430 --> 01:53:09.149
I'll put her in there too.

01:53:09.149 --> 01:53:11.609
I think I think she's she's another one obviously ready or not.

01:53:11.609 --> 01:53:13.770
She opened Scream 6 last year.

01:53:13.770 --> 01:53:17.918
And then the Is it the babysitter's girlfriend?

01:53:17.918 --> 01:53:18.788
that what the movie's called?

01:53:18.788 --> 01:53:19.259
Yeah.

01:53:19.259 --> 01:53:23.600
I'm like, yeah, but I think she's another one that definitely deserves to be in there.

01:53:23.600 --> 01:53:26.280
mean, Melissa Barrera could also, you could also throw her in there too.

01:53:26.280 --> 01:53:28.061
Honorable mention for Jenna Ortega.

01:53:28.061 --> 01:53:31.422
Jenna Ortega now, who's now getting a ton of work.

01:53:31.542 --> 01:53:38.574
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a lot of current younger scream queens that I think are kind of really knocking it out of the park lately.

01:53:38.574 --> 01:53:41.966
Who of that crew are you most excited to see what they do next?

01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:43.341
think Micah Monroe, honestly.

01:53:43.341 --> 01:53:44.051
Yeah, agreed.

01:53:44.051 --> 01:53:46.753
think it's between her and Mia and I think it's Micah for sure.

01:53:46.753 --> 01:53:58.136
Yeah, think Micah is one of those ones where like I wouldn't be surprised if you know, mean, because it's again, like these actors are so young, you never know where their careers are going to take I think her time isn't even here yet.

01:53:58.136 --> 01:53:59.898
I think she's just starting out.

01:53:59.898 --> 01:54:02.050
were here before the lights got turned on.

01:54:02.050 --> 01:54:02.640
here first.

01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:06.274
When everyone gets on board, like, can't get on this train.

01:54:06.274 --> 01:54:06.914
No new fans.

01:54:06.914 --> 01:54:08.006
That's it.

01:54:08.006 --> 01:54:11.069
No filthy casuals up in the Micah fan club.

01:54:11.689 --> 01:54:19.917
But yeah, mean, it's one of those things where if she wins an Oscar, it wouldn't surprise me because I think that she just has this incredible range and I really cannot wait to see.

01:54:20.011 --> 01:54:22.623
what this movie is now gonna springboard for her going forward.

01:54:22.623 --> 01:54:35.052
know who she, her, so to get into the, I know you wanna get into this, but I'm just, I wanna kind of put it off the top that Micah Monroe's character in this so heavily reminded me of the lead character in Paprika, the anime.

01:54:35.052 --> 01:54:36.054
You know what I'm talking about?

01:54:36.054 --> 01:54:37.064
You've got - yeah, yeah.

01:54:37.064 --> 01:54:38.475
I never saw it, but I what you're talking about.

01:54:38.475 --> 01:54:39.746
Asuka Chiba, I think is her name.

01:54:39.746 --> 01:54:50.475
We actually covered Paprika here on a Midnight Rewind segment and sort of the stoic, almost unhuman sort of delivery that is just by the books and has a goal.

01:54:50.475 --> 01:54:59.390
Everything about Micah's performance in this movie is just, you could tell before you even meet her mother that she has been raised in a very, very odd way.

01:54:59.390 --> 01:55:00.032
I'll say that.

01:55:00.032 --> 01:55:01.212
Yeah, to say the least.

01:55:01.212 --> 01:55:01.563
Yeah.

01:55:01.563 --> 01:55:08.207
And then when we meet her mom later in the film, who's obviously herself is not only mentally ill, but also a hoarder.

01:55:08.207 --> 01:55:11.689
It was a very subtle way to connect that dot.

01:55:11.689 --> 01:55:12.389
For sure.

01:55:12.389 --> 01:55:17.854
And I the first phone call that they have, could tell something's not right here.

01:55:17.854 --> 01:55:19.405
There's something that's very off.

01:55:19.405 --> 01:55:24.417
I think that that's kind of where you can start kind of putting the piece together as to where the story is going to go.

01:55:24.417 --> 01:55:27.228
But yeah, it's very interesting.

01:55:27.228 --> 01:55:33.010
And then obviously, like she, they kind of start this off, and this is also a bit of a spoiler too, where she's somewhat psychic.

01:55:33.010 --> 01:55:36.390
She has somewhat kind of psychic abilities and you kind of don't know why that's happening.

01:55:36.390 --> 01:55:52.878
Eventually you do find out what the reasoning behind that but yeah, and then obviously the first interaction that she has with, agent Carter's kid when they're sitting in the bedroom, which is like one of those moments where editing really makes like a funny moment because you get like a hard cut and she's just sitting on the bed with her and you can't help but laugh.

01:55:52.878 --> 01:55:53.868
Cause it's just so awkward.

01:55:53.868 --> 01:55:54.329
Yeah.

01:55:54.329 --> 01:55:58.030
She's like inviting her to birthday and Mike is like, sure.

01:55:58.532 --> 01:55:58.872
Okay.

01:55:58.872 --> 01:55:59.891
I'll be there.

01:55:59.891 --> 01:56:00.432
I'll be there.

01:56:00.432 --> 01:56:00.712
Yeah.

01:56:00.712 --> 01:56:00.972
Yeah.

01:56:00.972 --> 01:56:03.916
Which of course is the finale of the movie, And to be in the finale.

01:56:03.916 --> 01:56:09.738
I think that that's where you can kind of see, like, once you start piecing together the whole birthday thing, it's like, OK, I kind of I kind of know what's going to happen here.

01:56:09.738 --> 01:56:12.510
But yeah, but she's I think she's she's really good in this.

01:56:12.510 --> 01:56:13.520
She's she's very good.

01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:15.350
Like I said, it's a very stoic performance.

01:56:15.350 --> 01:56:20.753
I think it's a tough performance, too, because, you know, you got Nick Cage, who can act as crazy and outlandish as he wants to.

01:56:20.753 --> 01:56:22.515
But she kind of really has to kind of hone it in.

01:56:22.515 --> 01:56:30.518
And I think a lot of, know, and it's not it's not an emotionless performance either, because while she is cold and stoic, when she gets in these things where she has to like draw her gun.

01:56:30.604 --> 01:56:32.564
She's huffing and puffing and she's scared shitless.

01:56:32.564 --> 01:56:42.681
I was just about to say, I think that every time that she pulls out her gun and she's huffing and puffing, that's a deliberate character decision because she is not used to this kind of aggressive environment.

01:56:42.681 --> 01:56:48.386
Like she is so used to being sort of calculated and in her groove and unbothered.

01:56:48.386 --> 01:56:57.311
And the moment that something pops up, I'm not saying she's not, she doesn't have the ability to take control and figure it out, but like internally, again, that fire flight takes over.

01:56:57.311 --> 01:57:00.141
And a lot of us would think to be like sort of quiet.

01:57:00.141 --> 01:57:03.921
and like keep our cool and not make ourselves sort of a target.

01:57:03.921 --> 01:57:08.582
She just inherently starts like huffing and puffing like a 90 year old, you know, smoker.

01:57:08.582 --> 01:57:09.442
Right.

01:57:09.481 --> 01:57:09.622
Yeah.

01:57:09.622 --> 01:57:09.801
Yeah.

01:57:09.801 --> 01:57:10.002
No.

01:57:10.002 --> 01:57:14.162
And I, but I love it though, because like, even though she is scared shitless, she's still going to go for it.

01:57:14.162 --> 01:57:14.362
Yeah.

01:57:14.362 --> 01:57:15.542
Every time she was.

01:57:15.542 --> 01:57:21.641
So she's, she's, going to go into it full bore and, but yeah, but that, that felt like a very real like thing.

01:57:21.641 --> 01:57:24.521
Like that was authentic to me that you would be scared shitless in this moment.

01:57:24.521 --> 01:57:25.061
You know what I mean?

01:57:25.061 --> 01:57:27.475
So I, I really love that as a character trait.

01:57:27.475 --> 01:57:30.476
At what point did you notice the devil behind her in those scenes?

01:57:30.476 --> 01:57:37.000
Because I noticed it in the very first establishing shot when she is looking over all the pictures and she's on the floor without her shoes on.

01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:39.431
You see him in the corner at one point and I noticed it.

01:57:39.431 --> 01:57:40.471
I didn't catch that.

01:57:40.471 --> 01:57:50.636
Because I feel like the devil's hidden a lot in this movie because I saw this with Martin last night and he said he only saw it a couple times but there were moments where I noticed that he didn't.

01:57:50.636 --> 01:57:53.612
There's one where Long Legs is sitting in the basement.

01:57:53.612 --> 01:57:59.003
and he's kind of looking out into like the empty hallway and you could see it in the corner and it was one of the creepiest shots.

01:57:59.003 --> 01:58:02.286
But yeah, but I didn't, I didn't catch that one where it was, it was kind of peeking up behind her.

01:58:02.286 --> 01:58:02.815
That's cool.

01:58:02.815 --> 01:58:03.225
Yeah.

01:58:03.225 --> 01:58:10.708
And I was, I was expecting at some point, again, speaking of that shot, talked about at beginning of the review where she's sitting at her desk and she's got her back to the doorway.

01:58:10.708 --> 01:58:15.051
I was just wanting, I was just wondering if something was going to walk by or if you're going to see something.

01:58:15.051 --> 01:58:16.320
That's what I was wondering too.

01:58:16.320 --> 01:58:16.832
Yeah.

01:58:16.832 --> 01:58:17.761
I wanted to make a quick point.

01:58:17.761 --> 01:58:22.978
I thought it was interesting that B Perkins, who's the daughter of Oz is the unfazed teenager clerk.

01:58:22.978 --> 01:58:25.559
that we see that interacts with long legs at the convenience store.

01:58:25.559 --> 01:58:26.109
I didn't know that.

01:58:26.109 --> 01:58:26.569
That's cool.

01:58:26.569 --> 01:58:29.079
She's like, dad, the weird guys here again.

01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:30.039
Weird guys.

01:58:30.039 --> 01:58:41.384
Which I think shows sort of his pathetic face value appearance and sort of his like this unfazed teenage girl has zero fear over this guy.

01:58:41.384 --> 01:58:47.796
Which also to me feels oddly authentic because I feel like kids today, they have their phones, they can see anything that they want.

01:58:47.810 --> 01:58:52.493
So they're almost desensitized to this kind of stuff that it wouldn't creep them out to see this weird creepy guy just walking around.

01:58:52.493 --> 01:58:53.203
You know what I mean?

01:58:53.203 --> 01:59:04.019
And I thought there's one shot where it's sort of wide, but there's a there's a pillar on the counter of the convenience store where it splits the B Perkins character and then long legs, but you don't see long legs face.

01:59:04.019 --> 01:59:06.550
You just see his like hair and the back of his body.

01:59:06.550 --> 01:59:06.810
Yeah.

01:59:06.810 --> 01:59:10.743
And I thought at some point he was just going to freak out on her and like smash her head or something.

01:59:10.743 --> 01:59:11.722
Never happens again.

01:59:11.722 --> 01:59:13.673
Playing to the idea of our expectations.

01:59:13.673 --> 01:59:16.738
Oz Perkins is very, very aware of what he's doing here.

01:59:16.738 --> 01:59:19.439
And he's playing to that idea of like, and then it happened.

01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:22.372
Like there are multiple times this movie where you think something's going to happen and it does.

01:59:22.372 --> 01:59:25.905
And there's times where things doesn't happen and like you think it's going to and it doesn't.

01:59:25.905 --> 01:59:26.105
Right.

01:59:26.105 --> 01:59:29.850
Like, so like he's like purposely playing with that sort of expectation.

01:59:29.850 --> 01:59:30.140
Right.

01:59:30.140 --> 01:59:37.356
And I think if you're, if you're also wanting a little bit of brutality, mean that this movie has, has its brutal moments where it gets very, it gets very brutal.

01:59:37.356 --> 01:59:38.067
You know what I mean?

01:59:38.067 --> 01:59:46.618
And you know, whether you want to go into the interrogation room or how it's revealed, you know, the, you know, Lee's mother that that reveal is wild.

01:59:46.618 --> 01:59:47.868
That's a wild moment.

01:59:47.868 --> 01:59:49.219
And then obviously the ending too.

01:59:49.219 --> 01:59:54.712
But but yeah, so I mean, even though like you are playing with expectations, you do get that brutality as well.

01:59:54.712 --> 01:59:57.354
I want to kind of finish off the review here talking about the finale.

01:59:57.354 --> 02:00:05.307
So towards the end of the film, we realized that you've got Underwood and his family have been taken under control from Lee's mother.

02:00:05.307 --> 02:00:07.128
Lee's mother has been in on it the entire time.

02:00:07.128 --> 02:00:09.119
She's been the one actually killing folks.

02:00:09.119 --> 02:00:12.502
I don't know if it's ever really established if Long Legs has killed anyone necessarily.

02:00:12.502 --> 02:00:16.340
It's She's doing it for him and the devil.

02:00:16.340 --> 02:00:16.670
Yeah.

02:00:16.670 --> 02:00:20.302
It's, it's a, and they funny cause dude, they mentioned, they mentioned Charles Manson.

02:00:20.302 --> 02:00:20.493
Yeah.

02:00:20.493 --> 02:00:22.073
It's like, know, is he like a Manson type?

02:00:22.073 --> 02:00:25.735
And that's, that's kind of what they're going for is where like Manson is, I mean, don't be wrong.

02:00:25.735 --> 02:00:28.717
I don't want to, you know, misspeak, but I don't think Manson actually ever killed anybody.

02:00:28.717 --> 02:00:32.740
I think it was just, he always had to hold over the rest of his cult to make them go out and do that.

02:00:32.740 --> 02:00:33.041
Everybody.

02:00:33.041 --> 02:00:33.981
You heard it here first.

02:00:33.981 --> 02:00:36.854
Nick is a Manson sympathist.

02:00:36.854 --> 02:00:38.555
He believes that he is the innocent man.

02:00:38.555 --> 02:00:39.735
Release him.

02:00:39.735 --> 02:00:40.336
Release him.

02:00:40.336 --> 02:00:40.626
Yeah.

02:00:40.626 --> 02:00:41.667
He's now, I think, but it's fine.

02:00:41.667 --> 02:00:42.396
Yeah.

02:00:43.752 --> 02:00:44.742
God, isn't that true though?

02:00:44.742 --> 02:00:46.453
How you could easily twist somebody's words like that.

02:00:46.453 --> 02:00:50.884
yeah, no, but that's, but that's kind of, think what they're going for is that he actually didn't do any of the killings.

02:00:50.884 --> 02:00:54.324
He was basically summoned by the devil to kind of deal out his bidding.

02:00:54.324 --> 02:00:57.086
He was creating the doll and then the mom was killing the dolls and everything.

02:00:57.086 --> 02:00:57.305
Yeah.

02:00:57.305 --> 02:01:00.617
And whatever creepiness was going into the brains of the doll.

02:01:00.617 --> 02:01:03.068
And then that would kind of be the, what took people over.

02:01:03.068 --> 02:01:04.087
I didn't get the ball.

02:01:04.087 --> 02:01:06.189
Did you get the silver ball?

02:01:06.189 --> 02:01:10.547
The only thing that I got from that is that somehow, and this is the one thing that they don't explain.

02:01:10.547 --> 02:01:23.859
is somehow a piece of the devil goes into that ball and it goes into the doll and then from there, I guess because the doll, I guess almost using the child as a conduit and then from there it kind of spreads to the family.

02:01:23.859 --> 02:01:25.970
That's kind of how I viewed it.

02:01:25.970 --> 02:01:32.197
I'd be curious to hear about why that is, why that silver ball, because I feel like that's significant in some way, but I just didn't make the connection.

02:01:32.197 --> 02:01:33.188
Yes, as to why.

02:01:33.188 --> 02:01:37.060
And it's funny too, because for a movie that kind of explains everything else to you, it doesn't explain that.

02:01:37.060 --> 02:01:37.381
Right.

02:01:37.381 --> 02:01:38.305
Exactly.

02:01:38.305 --> 02:01:43.899
So yeah, we get there at the end, Lee shows up at the house, you know, the entire Underwood family is just gone.

02:01:43.899 --> 02:01:45.750
I'm sorry, not Underwood.

02:01:45.750 --> 02:01:47.451
I'm saying Blair Underwood as the actor.

02:01:47.451 --> 02:01:48.551
It's actually Agent Carter.

02:01:48.551 --> 02:01:51.252
The Carter family is, they're gone.

02:01:51.252 --> 02:01:52.993
They've been Completely taken over.

02:01:52.993 --> 02:01:54.864
They've been sort of taken over by the devil.

02:01:54.864 --> 02:02:00.408
You've got, know, Ruth is there, which is Lee's mom, and they're just waiting for things to happen.

02:02:00.408 --> 02:02:20.255
And eventually you've got Agent Carter who you don't see it, but he kills, takes his wife into the kitchen and sort of unsettling sound is heard and he comes in, of course, Lee shoots him and then takes one last chance to let his mom, let her mom sort of be done and at least let her take the daughter and doesn't happen.

02:02:20.255 --> 02:02:21.595
She shoots her mom.

02:02:21.655 --> 02:02:23.287
That's sort of the end of the film.

02:02:23.287 --> 02:02:24.536
were your thoughts there?

02:02:24.578 --> 02:02:33.984
I was, I was kind of, and it was one of those things too, where I'm like, this is classic, like indie type horror, where we're just going to kind of end it in a point where you don't really get a complete resolution.

02:02:33.984 --> 02:02:36.695
This is one where I kind of thought you needed something a little bit more.

02:02:36.695 --> 02:02:42.189
to happen there at the end because, and I thought something was going to happen because she was trying to shoot the doll and she ran out of bullets.

02:02:42.189 --> 02:02:45.332
So I thought like, is the devil gonna take her over now?

02:02:45.332 --> 02:02:48.645
And she's gonna basically take her mom's spot and this is where we're gonna go from here.

02:02:48.645 --> 02:02:53.438
And I thought maybe that might've been more of a satisfying horror type ending.

02:02:53.438 --> 02:02:57.051
But then it just kind of leaves you there where she has the girl and she's like, come on, we're gonna go.

02:02:57.051 --> 02:02:59.882
And then it's just her standing there holding the gun and then it cuts to black.

02:02:59.882 --> 02:03:03.948
Or no, it cuts back to long legs laughing, singing happy birthday and then it cuts to black.

02:03:03.948 --> 02:03:09.952
Yeah, I think you need a little bit more there to kind of really like really hammer home what was happening and what was going on.

02:03:09.952 --> 02:03:11.884
I kind of wish there was more to it than that.

02:03:11.884 --> 02:03:17.167
And that's that's kind of my overall feelings of the movie is that it's good, but it doesn't give you enough to make it great.

02:03:17.167 --> 02:03:18.158
You took the words right out of my mouth.

02:03:18.158 --> 02:03:19.059
That's exactly what I thought.

02:03:19.059 --> 02:03:26.314
I thought I had a good time with this movie, but this ending and certain aspects of the film just didn't give me exactly what I wanted.

02:03:26.314 --> 02:03:31.627
Or if it didn't give me what I wanted, it didn't give me things that I didn't know that I wanted, which is maybe more important.

02:03:31.627 --> 02:03:36.238
I think that's really what I go to horror for is to sort of be surprised.

02:03:36.319 --> 02:03:48.983
You know, there's some interesting thoughts on why humans are so obsessed with the idea of fear and why we purposely go to films like horror film or go to go to you see horror films or investigate serial killers or go on roller coasters or skydive or whatever.

02:03:48.983 --> 02:03:59.845
We're putting ourselves in danger for the thrill of fear because humans and I'm speaking as a male who's over six foot and can take care of himself in a general setting.

02:04:00.021 --> 02:04:04.155
I don't feel fear in a general time, like in most times.

02:04:04.155 --> 02:04:08.309
I don't feel like genuine fear and it's fun to sort of trick yourself in that way.

02:04:08.309 --> 02:04:19.259
And I think sort of the only, one of the real downfalls of this movie is that as you you said it perfectly earlier, is that it's just sort of paint by numbers and a certain aspects at the end.

02:04:19.259 --> 02:04:24.323
I think they tried some cool, think Oz Perkins and co made some interesting decisions through the film.

02:04:24.323 --> 02:04:27.725
And then at the end, they just sort of tied a bow and said, all right, here you go.

02:04:28.578 --> 02:04:30.319
So that's kind of my thoughts on it.

02:04:30.319 --> 02:04:40.432
I had a good time with it, but I think it just didn't really, it wasn't the best horror film of, know, I think for me, I had it between this and the first Omen as my favorite horror film of the year.

02:04:40.432 --> 02:04:41.842
Have you seen the first Omen?

02:04:41.944 --> 02:04:44.333
No, but it's, I know it's on streaming now, so I definitely want to check it out.

02:04:44.333 --> 02:04:49.065
Cause I heard, I heard the first Omen like did a really good job of kind of taking you back to like seventies horror.

02:04:49.065 --> 02:04:53.068
Yeah, it's very, I think first Omen did exactly what I just spoke about, which is surprised me.

02:04:53.068 --> 02:04:58.252
This movie has no right being, this prequel has no right being this good.

02:04:58.252 --> 02:04:59.322
And yet it is.

02:04:59.322 --> 02:05:04.043
I think you should definitely give it a look and tell me what you think because everyone listening right now, the first Omen is great.

02:05:04.043 --> 02:05:09.444
I currently have long legs above First Omen by one spot, but I think it's only from the technical aspect.

02:05:09.444 --> 02:05:13.167
Like this film, again, I cannot harp, and we've talked about it constantly throughout this review.

02:05:13.167 --> 02:05:14.386
This movie is beautiful.

02:05:14.386 --> 02:05:20.168
And it is like, if you're a movie goer, it is fucking scrumptious to ingest this movie.

02:05:20.168 --> 02:05:29.917
It's just some of the more tech, like some of the story aspects, as we said, it's just not really Yeah, yeah, no, from, from, from a, if we're just grading this on a technical aspect, I think it'd be, I won't just give this close to a perfect score.

02:05:29.917 --> 02:05:34.537
But I think in terms of like a horror movie, it's one of the best looking ones and its structure and how it's edited.

02:05:34.537 --> 02:05:36.417
I think it's all top, top tier.

02:05:36.478 --> 02:05:36.938
All right.

02:05:36.938 --> 02:05:38.597
Let's, let's end this thing with a couple of fun facts here.

02:05:38.597 --> 02:05:46.297
So despite the film taking place during January of January in Oregon, it's still light outside when the clock reads seven or sorry, six 30.

02:05:46.297 --> 02:05:48.677
Uh, and it's visual from the Harker's family home.

02:05:48.677 --> 02:05:50.818
So at one point you see a clock there and it's six 30.

02:05:50.818 --> 02:05:55.386
So in reality continuity error because in reality the sun would actually have set at 5 p .m.

02:05:55.386 --> 02:05:56.645
over on the west coast.

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So that's interesting.

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Maybe that's that's not a huge deal but you know it's one of those things.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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It's one of those things.

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Yeah.

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We spoke about it earlier but test audiences described this film having the same sort of feel and imaginary vibe of Silence of the Lambs cure.

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Have you seen cure.

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No but I heard somebody say that cure is long legs but a better version of it.

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So I kind of want to check that out now too.

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There's a criterion for you should definitely check it Okay.

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Zodiac and Seven, which we, those are all pretty obvious and there are probably more examples, but yeah.

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Yeah.

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And not that I would put this movie on the same level as those ones, but the, but the inspiration is definitely there for sure.

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Is Seven better, or sorry, is Long Legs better than any of those four movies?

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Well, I haven't seen Curiant, so I don't want to speak on that one, but I'm going to say no.

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I'm going to say no to, mean, I think, I mean, a lot of people want to say Zodiac is Fincher's masterpiece.

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I actually think it's social network, but that's more of an opinion.

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That's more of an opinion, but but I think Zodiac is great, but that's another movie where it's all procedural.

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And Fincher's a master.

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mean, between that and Seven, it's tough to go against Fincher.

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And obviously Jonathan Demme, Silence of the Lambs is just an absolute classic.

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I actually rewatched that one not too long ago and still holds up really well to this day.

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Yeah, no, I mean, I also don't think Longleys is trying to beat any of those films, even though I think you could see the inspiration in But yeah, it doesn't reach those heights.

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Those movies are like, those are top tier in their fields, you know?

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Yeah, it's funny you say that because actually one of the next ones we have here is when asked about the influence of Silence of the Lambs, Perkins said, yeah, I ripped it off.

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I'm not going to pretend that I didn't.

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That's the whole fun it.

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Well, there you go.

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He said it's meant to be sort of pop art, right?

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Like it invites the audience to sort of say, you remember Silence of the Lambs?

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It made you feel good.

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And it's sort of like doing a little bit of a magic trick.

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With one hand, you say, this is Silence of the Lambs.

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And then with the other hand, you say, it's actually not Silence of the Lambs.

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So he's outright saying that like it's an inspiration, but to try to recreate any part of Silence of the Lambs would be a disservice to your film and Silence of the Lambs in general.

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100%.

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I totally agree.

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Yeah.

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Nick Cage and Oz Perkins, as we said earlier, both dedicated this film to their mother and said that they were sort of inspirations, which we should probably look into that.

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Perkins only thought of two actors when thinking of long legs.

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It was Nick Cage and Brad Pitt, which is interesting.

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Yeah, I mean, after watching when the cage did, I can't see Brad Pitt in this role at all.

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I think it'd be completely different.

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Yeah, it'd a completely different role.

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Yeah.

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And then the Russian title for this film actually translates to soul collector, which makes sense.

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of.

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It does make sense.

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All right.

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Final thoughts on long legs.

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Nick, what are your overall arching thoughts on this film?

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So I think it's I think it's a solid, solid movie.

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It's not the scariest film of all time.

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Not even close.

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But I think it's a very decent thriller.

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It's well made.

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It's well acted.

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I mean, if you just want to just go seeing, you know, Michael Monroe, who I think is a really big up and comer.

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And just if you enjoy Nick Cage doing Nick Cage things, you're going to absolutely get what you want out of this movie.

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Yeah.

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And I think it gives you it's not like it's not a movie where I don't think anything happens.

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I think you'll go there and I think you'll be satisfied.

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But just don't go in expecting like the greatest thing known to man.

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You know what mean?

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It's not it's not anywhere near any of that.

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But I think it's just it's a solid movie.

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It's a it's a really good movie.

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And I think it's a movie that deserves to be supported in the theater.

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Agreed.

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You took my exact thoughts right out of my head.

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This is why I wanted you to have me on the show, Nick.

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You get it, man.

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You understand what I'm talking about here.

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It's so nice to be around kindred spirit because it's just the same thing for me.

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I really enjoyed myself at the theater watching this movie.

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I think it does reward upon watching at a theater with the sound design and such.

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Yeah.

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And obviously seeing some of that imagery on a big screen too.

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Yeah.

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Which truthfully and selfishly, I say that with every film, everything, every film.

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know.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Absolutely.

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We need to the theaters alive.

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You know, the only other thing I'll say about this too is, I kinda, I do want to revisit this like in a couple months, like maybe when it comes out on physical and just kind of just watch it again with no, expectations.

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Obviously all the hype will have been died down and it just kind of want to watch it for what it is and see if my thoughts change a little bit on it or not.

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Sure.

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All right.

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Well, cool.

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Let's go ahead and give this thing a rating out of five David A.

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Weiner's now are you familiar with David A.

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Weiner at all?

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You familiar with his work?

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I am not, but I know that this is your guy's grading score.

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I know this is you grade yourself.

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I'll give you a little inside baseball and everyone listening if you're not familiar.

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like episode two, we did a piece of news that was David Weiner.

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He's a director and he does like horror inspired directing, which is funny.

02:10:15.297 --> 02:10:16.408
We're talking about this.

02:10:16.609 --> 02:10:24.454
He directed a documentary series called In Search of Darkness, which is a complete crazy three -part deep dive into 1980s horror.

02:10:24.454 --> 02:10:25.555
And it's incredible.

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It's so good.

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That was the piece of news that we were talking But if you look at the way his name is spelled, it's Weiner.

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It's Weiner.

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And we, and I, while we enjoyed the topic and we were curious about what the movie was, we could not stop laughing at the fact that we thought his name was David A.

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Weiner.

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Weiner.

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Anyway, he reached out to us.

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He heard this and he really, yeah.

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And he's like, it's Weiner guys.

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And he's been on the show multiple times.

02:10:48.355 --> 02:10:49.817
He's a great friend of the show.

02:10:49.817 --> 02:10:50.347
that's awesome.

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Yeah.

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He's, he's awesome.

02:10:51.207 --> 02:10:53.500
We'll have him on the show because he's actually doing in search of darkness.

02:10:53.500 --> 02:10:56.920
The nineties, he did part one and he's doing, he's doing part two now.

02:10:56.920 --> 02:10:58.430
So he's gonna come on the show in the fall.

02:10:58.430 --> 02:10:59.601
Everyone, there's a spoiler.

02:10:59.601 --> 02:11:00.332
We talked to him already.

02:11:00.332 --> 02:11:04.685
He's gonna come on in the fall and talk about part two of In Search of Darkness 90s.

02:11:04.685 --> 02:11:07.056
that when it drops in the fall or is it?

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That's when they'll start promoting it.

02:11:07.926 --> 02:11:08.908
That's when the campaign starts.

02:11:08.908 --> 02:11:11.078
Cause he crowd funds all of his movies.

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And they're incredible.

02:11:11.930 --> 02:11:17.143
You wouldn't even know, like not to discredit crowdfunding movies, but like this looks like a big budget documentary.

02:11:17.143 --> 02:11:17.472
Right.

02:11:17.472 --> 02:11:23.953
So anyway, out of five David Weiner's, Nick, what are you gonna give Long So I'm going to go with a three and a half.

02:11:23.953 --> 02:11:24.333
Okay.

02:11:24.333 --> 02:11:24.854
More three and a half.

02:11:24.854 --> 02:11:25.474
think it's a solid.

02:11:25.474 --> 02:11:27.753
And if you want to translate that up to what, what, is that out of 10?

02:11:27.753 --> 02:11:28.594
It's a seven out of 10.

02:11:28.594 --> 02:11:31.573
think it's, think it's, I think it's a good solid movie.

02:11:31.774 --> 02:11:35.573
Um, I think you'll have a good time with it, but don't go in expecting anything more than that.

02:11:35.573 --> 02:11:36.033
Yeah.

02:11:36.033 --> 02:11:37.953
I'm to give it a four out of five David A.

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Winer's.

02:11:38.213 --> 02:11:40.573
think it's a strong recommend.

02:11:40.573 --> 02:11:42.694
I think it's more of a curiosity rating for me.

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I want to see what people that aren't big horror movie buff fans like you and I, would love to see their response to this movie.

02:11:48.514 --> 02:11:53.055
And I think that if you are like Nick and you will appreciate this movie even with its flaws.

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So it's a strong recommend.

02:11:55.136 --> 02:11:58.796
It has some downfalls, but overall I had a good time with this movie.

02:11:58.796 --> 02:12:04.078
I think it's worth seeing in the theater, as I just said, and I'm excited to see what Oz Perkins does next.

02:12:04.078 --> 02:12:09.001
Always excited to see what Nick Cage does next and maybe more so than either one of those two.

02:12:09.001 --> 02:12:11.381
I'm very excited to see what Michael Monroe does next.

02:12:12.152 --> 02:12:16.055
So that'll do it for our very, long review of long legs, everybody.

02:12:16.055 --> 02:12:18.886
Thank you so much for sticking around for two plus hours of Nick and I.

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You know, when I see my buddy Nick, I can't keep him here for an hour.

02:12:22.069 --> 02:12:23.810
gotta, I gotta double up.

02:12:23.810 --> 02:12:24.462
I know, man.

02:12:24.462 --> 02:12:27.003
I didn't know that it was going to take this long, but I'm so happy that did Nick.

02:12:27.003 --> 02:12:31.346
And I want to thank you so much for subbing in for Aaron this week and joining me here to talk about long legs.

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As I said earlier, just been a big fan of yours in general, been a good friend since the beginning.

02:12:36.452 --> 02:12:37.943
Since we started podcasting.

02:12:37.943 --> 02:12:38.512
I'll be honest.

02:12:38.512 --> 02:12:39.764
I miss the F and nerds.

02:12:39.764 --> 02:12:45.188
I know you guys are all doing things you and Martin are good things right now, but I hope again, one day that it comes back.

02:12:45.188 --> 02:12:58.845
And I think that to bring you back out of retirement, even if it is for, it's like my, it's like Jordan and Neil, like, you know, for, brought you back for one, one season, you changed your number and then you're just going go right back to golfing and gambling when you're not here.

02:12:58.845 --> 02:12:59.345
Exactly.

02:12:59.345 --> 02:13:00.416
Exactly.

02:13:00.416 --> 02:13:02.386
No, but no, but honestly, man, thank you for having me on, man.

02:13:02.386 --> 02:13:03.597
This was an absolute blast.

02:13:03.597 --> 02:13:04.787
You said, haven't done this in a while.

02:13:04.787 --> 02:13:07.010
So it's, it's, it's an honor to be on, on this show.

02:13:07.010 --> 02:13:11.681
And like I said, man, congratulations on all the excess of living bars having, can we see what you guys do next?

02:13:11.753 --> 02:13:14.409
And you know, if there's another episode down the road you need me for, just hit me up.

02:13:14.409 --> 02:13:16.363
We're gonna have you on for Romulus for sure.

02:13:16.363 --> 02:13:17.005
Yeah.

02:13:17.005 --> 02:13:17.777
That's happening.

02:13:17.777 --> 02:13:19.921
We're gonna bring you out of retirement in like a month.

02:13:19.921 --> 02:13:20.282
Hell yeah.

02:13:20.282 --> 02:13:41.844
I'm gonna put you back in retirement and then we're gonna bring you right back After that trailer came out, became my most anticipated film of the year.

02:13:41.944 --> 02:13:45.287
And I'm a big fan of Fede Alvarez, loved his Evil Dead.

02:13:46.448 --> 02:13:49.850
And this is like his next big thing, because I don't know if he did anything between this and Evil Dead.

02:13:49.850 --> 02:13:51.802
He's probably done some TV and such.

02:13:51.802 --> 02:13:53.353
He did Don't Breathe.

02:13:53.453 --> 02:13:54.795
that's right, which is good.

02:13:54.795 --> 02:13:56.536
I like Don't Don't Breathe is good.

02:13:56.536 --> 02:14:01.250
mean, he's a good guy at Atmosphere and again, gory ass horror.

02:14:01.250 --> 02:14:06.284
So I think Alien is going to be a return to form for Questionable story plots for Don't Breathe.

02:14:06.284 --> 02:14:12.627
If you've not seen Don't Breathe, Buckle in because it's an interesting turn there at the end of the movie.

02:14:12.627 --> 02:14:14.439
But Nick, how can people follow you?

02:14:14.439 --> 02:14:15.619
How do people keep in touch with you?

02:14:15.619 --> 02:14:16.939
If they liked what you had to say here.

02:14:16.939 --> 02:14:23.783
So, So, I mean, the the FNRDs are still active on Twitter, not so much on Instagram, but we're like I said, we're still there.

02:14:23.783 --> 02:14:27.545
I always like to throw out my opinions on, you know, random things still interact with people.

02:14:27.545 --> 02:14:29.261
But yeah, I mean, like obviously.

02:14:29.261 --> 02:14:32.542
you movies and pop culture and nerd stuff is something that I love.

02:14:32.542 --> 02:14:38.101
And, you know, even though we don't do the podcast anymore, I still, I'm still in that world, still, still talking with people and everything.

02:14:38.101 --> 02:14:42.702
So yeah, so I think it's at F and underscore nerds on Twitter and also on Instagram.

02:14:42.702 --> 02:14:44.421
So that's where you can find me.

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Perfect.

02:14:44.921 --> 02:14:45.542
Well, good deal.

02:14:45.542 --> 02:14:58.164
Next week, everybody on the show for episode one 64 of the oblivion bar podcast, we are joined by our good friend, one of our best friends in the comic book world, Christian Ward will be back on the show to discuss his campaign that actually is already funded as of this recording.

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We had this conversation a couple of weeks ago, it is already within, I think less than a day.

02:15:02.608 --> 02:15:06.502
His art book over on Zoop has been completely funded, but Ghost still support it.

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We'll also be talking to him about his upcoming Batman project with Patrick Reynolds within the Brave and the Bold storyline.

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And then we might talk about some other things, maybe some surprise stuff that you'll want to check out for sure if you're a fan of Christian Ward like we are.

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It's like, it's like, all right, I guess.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for the three star review.

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I mean, I don't know where I guess we either fall.

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mean, I guess it's better than not being completely dog shit or being the greatest thing ever.

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So at least maybe it's a little more honest, it doesn't help.

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Yeah, it doesn't.

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doesn't help.

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It doesn't help the algorithm at all.

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It doesn't.

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want to Nick, if I'm being honest, I just, I want to get rid of social media in general.

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just like, know I do too.

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I just want to be done with it.

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I just want to do the podcast and people listen.

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That's it.

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I like it's great.

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It's great.

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It's great to connect, but it is, it's, it's so much, it's so much extra work on top of that.

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And it's a headache you don't need.

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All right.

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Thank you to Omnibus for sponsoring the show.

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Use the link in our show notes to upgrade how you read comic books digitally.

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Official merch of show can be found on our website, www .oblivionbarpodcast .com.

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Thank you to Kevin Ziegler for all of our Oblivion Bar art.

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is at the Zig Zone on Instagram.

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Thank you, Dream Kid, for our incredible Oblivion Bar musical themes.

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Thank you, DJ Skyvac, for a great theme.

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And do not forget to tip your bartenders 20 % or more.

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Always.

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Nick, you know this.

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If you tip less than 20%, you're a bad, that's a bad deal.

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That's bad.

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You're a piece of shit.

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That's exactly right.

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You're a piece of shit.

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You deserve to get killed by long legs and his weird, uh, by Ruth.

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Creepy dolls.

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That's right.

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All right, everybody.

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Thank you so much for listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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We appreciate it.

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We will see you next week for episode 164.

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I see, get it out.

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So what's your name?

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Little angel?

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Nice to meet you.

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That's it.

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That's all you need.

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That's Thank you.