INTERVIEW: Kyle Starks & Ryan Browne

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Hey, this is Kyle Starks, writer of Rick and Morty, Assassination, I Hate This Place, and the forthcoming Peacemaker Prize, Hard, from DC Comics, and you are listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

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Hello everyone.

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Welcome to episode 162 of the oblivion bar podcast.

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I am alone this week, everybody.

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It is just your one cohost, Chris hacker.

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Aaron is currently on a bit of a sabbatical on a little trip.

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he recently, as many people know who follow us on social media, they know that Aaron just recently officially officially retired from the army after 20 years of service.

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So huge congratulations to my best friend and cohost here on the oblivion bar.

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I hope he and his wife, Karlie are having a great time traversing the United States and doing all the nerdy shopping that I think that's kind of the central plan.

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But this week on the Oblivion Bar podcast, we are headed back to Twilight City.

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Specifically, we're headed back to the lower layer with Barfly.

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We are joined by writer Kyle Starks and artist Ryan Brown to talk about From the World of Minor Threats Barfly Number One, which as you will hear in this conversation here in just a moment.

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actually hit shelves the day that you're listening to this conversation.

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Now we've had both Kyle and Ryan on the show separately.

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Kyle joined us for a conversation about I hate this place.

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And Ryan was with Charles soul talking about eight billion genies right before it came out.

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Now we've already seen that Kyle Starks has his stock has completely skyrocketed since we had him on the show.

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I don't want to, I don't want to gatekeep my fandom of Kyle Starks, but I've been a big fan of his for a long time.

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A lot of people know his work.

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And obviously peacemaker tries hard.

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I just said, I hate this place more monsters lie.

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We've got assassin's nation, kill them all rock, candy mountain, sex castle.

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So many things that Cal Stark has done.

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Rick and Morty, of course, I'd say in the last like year and a half has completely skyrocketed in popularity for good reason.

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Not only is he an extremely hilarious and talented writer, but he's also a really good artist too.

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He has a very specific style that is only his.

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And I just, I always love whenever he does the scripts and his interiors, which karate prom that came out.

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just last month, and we talked about it in this conversation, was great.

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And it's a YA book that I think you can hand anyone, which is rare for Kyle Stark.

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Because if you've read his work, specifically like Peacemaker Tries Hard or Sex Castle, those stories are very adult in some ways.

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Adult in a way that you don't want to just hand it to an eight -year -old and walk away.

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I believe that we should show our youth adult themes in literature and in media, but maybe with a hold hand in a way.

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sort of explain some of the intricacies of adult themes, but I'm not going to get off on a tangent.

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Aaron's not even here to get me off on a tangent so I can get right back on track.

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And you know, Ryan Brown, which is easily one of not only equally as hilarious, but one of the most talented, truly talented interior artists in the comic medium.

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Like his work on 8 billion genies and blast furnace, curse words.

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I mean, all the stuff that God hates astronauts, everything that he has done.

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leading up to Barfly is just insane.

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And what I really love about this conversation, and you'll hear it just in a moment, is that Kyle and Ryan are both big fans of each other.

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And it's very obvious from the jump.

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I honestly could have just pressed record and just stopped talking.

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Kyle actually mentions it, but they haven't had any chance to like sit down and talk since they started working on this project.

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Just like as a chit chat, I'm sure they conversed about the series, about Barfly and their collaboration, but.

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I could have just shut up and let those two go back and forth.

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It's an incredible conversation.

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I'm very excited to present it to everybody here.

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That always hurts.

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It always hits you right in the gut.

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But anyway, I'm going to stop babbling here.

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Aaron's not here to bounce off of.

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So before we get into this conversation with Kyle and Ryan, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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And now, this week's special guest.

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Joining us this week on the show are the creators of the comic titles like Where Monsters Lie, Cursed Words, Sex Castle, God Hates Astronauts, Peacemaker Tries Hard, 8 Billion Genies, and Karate Prom.

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Together they are the hilarious creative team of the upcoming minor threat spinoff Barfly, which tells the story of the humanoid mutant fly shit eater, what showcases what happens when a low -level henchman no longer has anyone left to hinge for.

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It is my pleasure to welcome back both Kyle Starks and Ryan Brown onto the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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Hey, that's great.

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We're happy to be here.

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You didn't pause for applause, Kyle.

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there it is.

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They couldn't hear you over the clapping.

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I was saying, we're happy to be here.

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Did you hear?

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Okay, so I just want to point out just off the top before we even get the conversation going that I'm so happy to have you both here because I've said on record individually, you are two of the funniest creators in comics.

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Like you were among near the top.

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So the fact that Dark Horse somehow convinced you both to get onto Barfly, this minor threat spinoff, it was an immediate sell guys.

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I was like, I'm in, I don't care what Barfly is, shit eater, I don't care, I'm in.

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I don't think there's very much convincing needed.

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I don't know, I was first, I think I was first, but I know that someone was, someone like Dark Horse was like, we're thinking about, think Ryan Bryan might be interested.

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I'm like, yeah, like throw the rest of the list away.

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And I am like booked through twenty twenty nine or something.

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And I was just like, well, let's see if I can squeeze it in.

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And so then I had I had tough conversations with the people that I was supposed to be doing work for about pushing all those books because I was like, this is something I really want to do.

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And it seems like it's just going to be fun.

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Like this is not a homework book.

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Some books are like homework books where you're just like, you know.

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really trying to act subtly with people wearing suits.

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And then then there's books where you just get to draw all the weird gross shit that you can think of.

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And like, so those are the jobs.

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Those are the jobs that frequently are hard are hard to find.

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But we're encouraging Ryan's bad behavior.

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His worst instincts were like, please.

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Well, this is got a lead.

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Please enter my first question here that I had for you guys.

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We're already answering it right now, which is, you know, I wanted to point out really quickly.

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You guys both joined the show before, right?

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Ryan, you were on with Charles back in June of 2022 to talk about a billion genies.

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And then Kyle, we already talked about this, but you joined in March of last year to talk about I hate this place and where monsters lie.

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So again, a pleasure to have you both on and we kind of already got into it, but Ryan, I'd love to hear you kind of expand on it just a tad in terms of when Dark Horse came to you for this project.

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Can you sort of, you know, there's some things kind of left behind closed doors when it comes to the creation of these series, but is there anything you can kind of share in terms of how the process got going?

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Obviously, Kyle, you just said you were on first, but how did they bring this conversation up to you?

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Well, I know Tim Seeley really, really well, and he wrote The Alternates, which was the first minor threat spinoff.

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And so I talked to him a lot about that creative experience and he's like, yeah, it's, you know, it's really great.

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It's really fun to get to play.

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And I had known Scott Hepburn a little bit at comic shows.

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And so I saw him at San Diego last year and I had him do a God Haze astronauts cover for me.

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And then we were talking about minor threats and I was talking about how jealous I was that he was playing in this absurdist superhero world and how much I love doing that and I don't get to do it as much as I want.

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And then he was just like, yeah, man, like, maybe we'll get you in on something minor threats down the line.

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And I'm like, dude, that would be so awesome.

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And I did a cover for the alternates.

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which was the other spin -off.

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Which is really good, which is great.

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Yeah, it's a great book and it seemed to go over well and so I was like, all right, cool, this is kind of fun.

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And then, you know, I'm a big fan of Patton and so that was like, I don't know, that's one of those career moments that comes around every once in a while, maybe if you're very, very, very lucky.

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So that's why I had to like rearrange everything for it.

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But it literally was just like the editor emailing me is like, hey, do you want to do this?

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And I'm like, I don't know, let me know.

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Or let me get back to you.

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And then him emailing me like 12 hours later saying, I need to know right now.

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And I was like, all right, well, I will figure out everything else around it.

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He's not exaggerating because you drew that 8 billion genies issue zero or whatever too right before.

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Yeah.

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So it's been a lot of Ryan's hard.

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I don't know if there's a harder worker, honestly.

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I'm fueled by economic fear, fear of disappointing others.

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It's mainly fear is my motivator for all art I create.

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It's impressive display of production.

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Thanks.

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I actually, I won't, it will be over a year since I've had a comic on the shelves when Barfly 1 comes out.

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wow.

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Which is super, super weird.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I've been doing this other book with Charles for a while that hasn't been announced yet.

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And then I did my own thing for a while.

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And then I got into this and then I started getting really, really slow.

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We're getting older is what that is.

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Dude, I have two small kids and I don't know, just like, I think I'm better now.

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And like part of being better is, you know, having more ideas and having more like, like more, more like pen moves.

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That makes sense.

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Like my lines, my lines used to be more streamlined.

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And now I'm like, but this everything will have a little wedge and a little in and out around the zipper.

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More than before, it was all a straight line.

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And so like, I think all that little in and outs kind of moves just adds to like, whoops, the book's like it's tough to say things that are complimentary that don't sound like you're trying to hype up a product.

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Like we're here to hype up a product.

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But I'll say from my perspective and, you know, I got I think you were doing God Hates Astronauts the same time I was doing something on Kickstarter.

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So we both, two Midwestern boys, I think from like 8 billion genies at your peak, not your final peak, I don't think, but that window, you're so in the pocket right now.

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I think what you're doing is really impressive.

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I just finished up a book called Pine and Merrimack and the artist, Fran Galan, was so good.

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I was like, if you guys don't like me, you should buy it just because the art's so good.

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And I'm saying the same thing with with Farfly.

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Like, even if you don't like how it's written, it's it's such a visual feast.

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Like it's such excellent work that you're doing that it's worth it just for, you know, Ryan's side of it.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, you and you and I haven't talked too much about this, our work so far.

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But, you know, I stay on script mostly, but I but I tried to I always take it as like a.

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Yes, and kind of experience when you're working with someone when you're with like a good creator has a sense of humor.

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It's like, all right, I see what you're doing with your joke, and I'm going to try and add on to that joke.

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And so it's about 80 percent faithful to what you write.

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Probably every once in a while, I'll put in a little man.

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You say that you say that, but I feel like it's I feel like you're nailing it.

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I don't think you're only adding to it.

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And that's different.

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The 80 % means that you took 20 % away from what I wanted to be in there.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, and that's not the case.

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Everything that I want is in there.

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And then Ryan's like piling on with like just an immense amount of Easter eggs and like visual gags.

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And it's unbelievable.

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But I think even outside of that, it's just like, I think that the quality of your work and like how, like I said, you just seem really in the pocket right now.

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It seems very, you're very in control and getting what you want out of it.

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And what you want is so much.

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more than what I think like your average artist wants.

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Like it's so impressive to me.

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This is just, Ryan and I probably never had a conversation longer than five minutes.

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So this is like really just our opportunity to like, I'm just here to hang out.

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Listen to just like con table.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, sorry.

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And I'm going to keep, I'm going to pile on the compliments here, Ryan.

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I think you, you are, you were one of the best visual storytellers in terms of, you know, interiors go, I think very specifically about Obviously a lot of your work with God Hated Astronauts and Cursed Words and A Billion Genies, but I'm thinking specifically about Barfly here where at one point, and this isn't a spoiler for the first issue, but Barfly is helping infiltrate this building.

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And at one point he gets in so quick, he's kind of sitting upside down on a ceiling.

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You do a great job, you've always done a great job with sort of the automatopoeia visualizing what the character's saying, because this character isn't saying, doesn't say very much in this comic.

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I don't think that, again, that's not a spoiler, but you put board.

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just kind of on top of his head.

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And I got a chuckle out of it when I first, and that's just one example.

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There's plenty more, I'm sure.

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Yeah, well, that's, you know, the big challenge of this book is that it is a little fly man who doesn't speak.

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And when he does speak, I mean, he has some lines and stuff, but they're like psychic.

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They're bug talk.

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To only bug people.

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Yeah.

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But he doesn't have pupils.

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He doesn't have eyelids.

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He doesn't have eyebrows.

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You know, he's got the trunk.

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that kind of looks like a dick or something.

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It's a little upsetting.

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And but then like his eyes are like are frozen.

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Right.

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And like you can't emote with the eyes.

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And so like early on, I was like, man, I don't I don't know how I can really convey this stuff.

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Like you can do a lot with slumping shoulders and like excited trunk motions or sad trunk.

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But so then that was when I started being like, well, I'm just going to have to like use the sound effects to to help.

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explain what's going on in each sequence.

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It's super important to me with everything I draw that you can understand it and read the story without any of the words.

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Super important.

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Yeah, so like if you look at all my art, I want you to be able to, I mean, you don't need to get, it doesn't have to be very nuanced, but you have to understand who the characters are, where they are, their relationship to one another and what their actions they're doing are without reading any dialogue bloons.

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So there's no I'm punching you right now.

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Doesn't this suck for you?

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You're hurt, you know, kind of dialogue balloon.

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That's the exact line that I wrote too, which is a little, I know dude, that line is great though.

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A little emasculating.

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Well, and so the first issue of Barfly actually hits shelves on July 10th.

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And of course, you two gentlemen, it's by you two gentlemen with letters from the amazing Nate Picos.

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Yeah.

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And what I've really loved about what you guys are doing here is very similar to what Pat and Jordan and Scott have done with the creation.

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of the Minor Threats universe.

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It's showing the complexity and the tragedy of these characters within this world.

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People who often don't choose the life of violence, but are often forced into it based on circumstance or bad decision-making.

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And the road to redemption is often not ever lost to these characters, which I really love.

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So, Ka, I'd love to kind of start with you here.

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When Dark Horse and the Minor Threats crew came to you for this project, what was kind of your...

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North Star with his character with Shit Eater.

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I know it's a funny way to say what's your North Star with Shit Eater.

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So Shit Eater I think it going by what Patton and Jordan told me is that Shit Eater acquired some sort of cult following just by being in the background often.

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People are like who is this guy and I think the fans named him Shit Eater.

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I'm pretty sure that Patton and Jordan just leaned into that.

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And so when they started to do these these spin offs like the Alternates which again is great.

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It's really fun.

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And that, by the way, if those things weren't good, I probably wouldn't care because I don't need to just play with someone's toys.

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But when they started doing the spin offs, Pat was like, I want to get the guys that I like work.

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I like.

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And so obviously, Tim, Tim, Tim is their favorite, I guess, because they got him before anyone else.

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But they were like, hey, we want you to do something and we want you to do something with this shitty character.

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We don't know what his deal is.

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And I said, I want to try to make people cry.

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I want to try to make people cry over this ridiculous silly little thing.

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And I still hope I do that.

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But certainly I think it's much funnier.

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It's just we're really having a lot of fun, I think is really what it came down to.

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So the North Star is that I have a story.

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It's a very specific story that is much louder because Ryan's came onto it.

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In fact, there's a what if, there's a what if I wonder if like if we had talked before, you know what I mean?

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Like if they were like, you're going to work with Ryan as opposed to, cause at that time you're just thinking some work for hire guy who's going to show up.

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And he's gonna do a fine, lovely job and it's gonna look great and it's gonna be the book.

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But Ryan is so, he brings so much to it from the writing and it's a little unsettling, honestly, because it's like, I hope I'm writing up to this in so many ways.

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But that was honestly, it was like, listen, I wanna make something funny.

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I wanna do what I do, which is why I did with Marvel Unleashed, which I did with Peacemaker, which is like, I want you to do something that's fun, that's funny, that's entertaining, that also maybe makes you cry or has some sort of emotional weight to it, because those are the things that really interest me.

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It's always that balance of like, I want to entertain and I want to bring joy, but also I like for people to feel other emotions.

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I mean, we were what two issues in, we have two issues in the can and they're so good.

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at this point, I think it's just, just going to be such an amazing, fun ride.

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I'm hoping people think about it for a while.

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It just, it's visually so good.

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It just looks so good.

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and I think my stuff's okay.

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So it'll be great.

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Like that's, that's this, that's the recipe for greatness.

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What I love about working from your script is that you set up such an incredibly solid foundation.

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Like there's so much heart.

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The pacing is really well done.

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You draw interesting characters.

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It's not overly complicated and so it has a little bit of space to play.

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You don't have any nine panel grids.

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Man, I can't do it.

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I know because you're an artist as well.

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Like you understand as a visual medium.

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I think he has karate prom.

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Like I think I averaged like seven and a half panels per page, I would never, I just can't bring myself to write.

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I think there's a seven panel page, maybe.

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I think I changed it because I was so upset that there was seven panels, and one was small.

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I think it's just a little headshot.

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And I was like, I can't do it.

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It's just too much.

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It's too much work.

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And I say that, and then you, I can't remember what I called you the other day, like comedy Jeff Darrow every page.

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Well, it didn't start that way.

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Like I was trying to be a little conservative with getting too crazy in that first issue.

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And then once I started realizing that it was being responded to well by you and Patton and Jordan.

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Yeah, I got it.

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So then I made it a goal for myself to put a joke in every panel.

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There's three jokes in every panel.

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There's three jokes in every panel.

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I try to get at least one joke in every panel.

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And so it's not the beginning of issue one is not totally there.

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But then it gets there.

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And then it's just every once in a while when there's like a really serious close up that I can't.

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a joke in or something.

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But pretty much everywhere I can find a place to put a sound effect or a sign or some background element.

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I don't know if you've noticed, but I have like this reoccurring theme of these little mice that are you'll see them.

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You see them in issue one.

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No, I don't need this obsession, but I haven't noticed the mice.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's the mice in issue one after ShitEater gets flicked by his boss and he goes flying.

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Next page shit either kicks a mouse on the street and it goes flying in the same way.

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He's got a kick down, you know, and and then in in issue two, there's that river of blood and there's a mice on the on the boat.

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And then there's that at the very end, there's that really awful moment of action.

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And the mice are like clutching themselves in horror at the bottom of it.

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Anyways, I do things like that all the time to entertain me.

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And so I have this story.

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of the mice being like the little dudes that you can kind of follow through the whole course of the book.

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So I was going to start working in mice into his script.

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No, I'm not.

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I'm not.

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I'm not.

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Here's the thing.

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Like, and again, I can't express this.

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I know I'm not trying to sell the book.

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It's like literally every time Ryan sends me something, I go, I got a zoom in on it.

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And I'm like, look at that.

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And then when he sends in the colors, I go, hold on.

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Wait, I didn't I didn't see that one before.

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I'm not like I didn't see that one.

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How did I miss that before?

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I'm looking at the colors accentuate some jokes and completely hide some other jokes.

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It's it's kind of like in the darkness.

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There's a fake movie poster, you know.

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So I showed some of your pages to Chris Whites who colors all the stuff that I draw, who I think is he uses his palette and it's just an unbelievable color.

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It's like he uses the color as part of the story, you know.

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And he was like, this is really good.

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I'm like, no, look, I'm not like for real.

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Like, look how fucking good Ryan's coloring himself.

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It shouldn't be this way.

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You're doing too much work.

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You're going to hurt yourself.

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Like those first two issues look so good.

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They're so funny.

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It's just such an honor.

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It's honestly like, I'm so proud of what you're doing.

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I'm like, I'm glad to be here.

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I'm just glad to be a part of it.

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Just along for the ride.

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All right.

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Well, we got two more to do.

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It better be good.

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That's right.

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I only got one more to do.

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You got two more to do.

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That's true.

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I know.

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I just have to land it.

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That's all.

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I'm just curious when we're going to get the, Kyle Starks barfly variant.

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When's that going to happen?

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I haven't seen anything.

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They didn't ask me.

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I never get asked.

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The only people who've ever asked me is DC.

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That's the only people who ever asked me.

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As I say, I was just reading piece a peacemaker tries hard and I saw at the very end.

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I didn't notice that you did this.

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You did a one in twenty five of the last issue.

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One in twenty one in twenty five.

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Yeah.

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You got to get that ratio up.

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You know, that means money.

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I did the one they didn't want anyone to see.

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I never get asked, but I'll tell you, I'm not I'm not ever I'm not very good at.

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at shots like that.

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I can't design pages like that.

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I don't have that strength.

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Like, you know, big splash pages or covers or even like prints.

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Like I haven't done a new print, which I hate, because I just can't design a good one.

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It's like, it looks ugly to me, I don't want to try to sell it.

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So that's not a strength of mine.

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I do wish people would ask me just so I could say no.

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I would be like, I don't think I want to do that.

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Because here's the other thing.

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The other reason why is like, I think The value of a variant cover is to get more eyes on your book.

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So you want artists to bring like so like Dan, like I love Dan Hipp.

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I try to get Dan Hipp on everything I do.

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One, because I love him.

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Barfly.

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I don't know.

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I would do it.

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I like him.

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I like him a lot right now.

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He's such a good.

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He's such a good little boy.

00:25:07.741 --> 00:25:09.862
You're saying that we need a Pichuoco Barfly cover.

00:25:09.862 --> 00:25:16.221
We have a bunch of really good and really interesting covers that are coming down the pike.

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And as we said before, we have a very special San Diego glow in the dark one, which is going to be super exclusive.

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Call your retail.

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No, you can't get from call your eBay black market man now.

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Yeah.

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Get your eBay dealer on the phone.

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You know what?

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Now you got to get your bar fly.

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that David Macklin with a painted samurai fly.

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But they're cool covers.

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They're cool.

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And I'd rather have David Macklin me.

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You know what I mean?

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Like he just want to bring more eyes on him.

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And that's what we want.

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Scott did.

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Scott did a good one.

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He's done to write.

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I did too.

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Scott did all four.

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okay.

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He did what he knows the car and all four.

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Yeah.

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I really, my favorite one is the final one where bar fly is vomiting on the city.

00:26:00.894 --> 00:26:02.294
It's excellent.

00:26:03.334 --> 00:26:03.913
Well, yeah.

00:26:03.913 --> 00:26:07.854
Speaking of Scott, speaking of Pat and Jordan, I'm curious, Ryan, I'll start with you here.

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Has there been anything that the minor threats team has, have they given you anything in terms of, you know, the story, any, any important notes or are they just kind of like letting you guys go crazy and see what happens?

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I mean, there was a lot of prep.

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work, you know, to make sure I was doing it right.

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It's a weird world because I feel like so much of it you see like on the edges of Minor Threats, like, who's that character?

00:26:33.018 --> 00:26:36.958
Like trying to figure out that, you know, like this gridiron ghoul character.

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I'm like, all right, well, what does he look like?

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And he's like, he's in the first trade.

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He is like, yeah, he's kind of standing in the background in a couple of different places.

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OK.

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And so.

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At first, it was a little bit of, you know, when I was doing character designs, I was like, I can't like, especially with Barfly, because he was always so little.

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And he was always so cartooned that I couldn't really tell what's going on.

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And like one of my early drawings of him, he's got a mouth underneath his like snout, like a mouth, because there's a drawing that Scott did where he's got like his studs on his jacket are right here.

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And it looks like he's like grinning.

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And I was like, he's got big teeth.

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And I was wrong.

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So it was a lot of me taking a swing at the characters based on these little background drawings that were incomplete and then being and then Scott being like, all right, I'll show you how it's done.

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And then, you know, 10 minutes later, I get this awesome drawing that he's like annotated, you know, what sunburst looks like or whatever.

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Our great, I mean, great girl.

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He sent everybody.

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Yeah, he did.

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Yeah, we know.

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We didn't know he had words or.

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numbers on his chest we found out that day.

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That was the day we found out.

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Yeah, that was the day we found out.

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And then there was, I don't know, I'm not like, I'm a huge music person, but I'm more of an indie rock person.

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And I'm not as much a punk person.

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I mean, I used to work in a record store for a long time.

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So I'm familiar with a lot of it.

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But that's like not my scene.

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And so then it was, I got a lot of notes from Scott on exactly Shadier's jacket.

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And then he gave me the whole rundown of like, you know, the style of old policemen's like motorcycle jacket that would be bought at thrift stores and then studded up and turned into like punk rock jackets.

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And so it's like a very specific double flap thing with like big lapels.

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And so, yeah, so like that was you're playing in someone else's world and you, you know, we have some new characters, but then some that that.

00:28:43.917 --> 00:28:48.688
were existing characters and so it was trying to make it get on the page with them.

00:28:48.688 --> 00:28:56.337
Because I personally am not great at continuity and like visual continuity and I just kind of wing it.

00:28:56.438 --> 00:29:09.422
I drew quantum and Woody for four issues and they have those bangles on their wrists and like they're specifically Woody's on the right and quantum's on the left.

00:29:09.422 --> 00:29:12.491
And I knew it and I always always try to remember it.

00:29:12.491 --> 00:29:17.701
And then I would turn to my pages and then the editor be like, you have like four panels when they're on the wrong wrist.

00:29:17.701 --> 00:29:18.332
That's so funny.

00:29:18.332 --> 00:29:25.422
And I would just like to digitally redraw it to make, you know, instead of like this, they're like, yeah.

00:29:27.061 --> 00:29:36.973
I think I'm my attention when you had earlier, I know Patent said to me, he's like he wanted he wanted these comics to be or he wanted them to be like the way he did his touring posters.

00:29:36.973 --> 00:29:39.814
He said, I find an artist I like and I let them do what they do.

00:29:39.814 --> 00:29:42.614
And I feel like that's kind of how it's been.

00:29:42.614 --> 00:29:50.693
Scott was Scott, maybe not, but Patton and Jordan have been pretty like, I can't think of them going, I don't think they would do that are like at any point.

00:29:50.693 --> 00:29:59.773
I don't think they've said that we're like, I don't know if they would do that or they would do this instead because I think they're it's a background character and they're letting us play with it in so many ways.

00:29:59.773 --> 00:30:05.678
That being said, that final issue is the content continuum who are like their Justice League.

00:30:05.678 --> 00:30:07.327
play heavily into it.

00:30:07.327 --> 00:30:12.137
And it's kind of the first time the group of them exist actively.

00:30:12.137 --> 00:30:18.127
And I have a feeling there'll be more hands on then, which I am encouraging.

00:30:18.127 --> 00:30:18.847
I hope they are.

00:30:18.847 --> 00:30:22.958
Cause like, if you think they would fight differently, like then they'll fight differently.

00:30:22.958 --> 00:30:24.258
I just need to fight.

00:30:24.258 --> 00:30:24.548
Yeah.

00:30:24.548 --> 00:30:39.750
I would imagine we've had both Patton and Jordan on the show to talk about minor threats when it first came out and they were, it's just so fun to see them completely playing in there, creating the sandbox firstly, but then just being so in depth with it, Jordan is a true blue comic fan and Patton obviously is a long time nerd.

00:30:39.750 --> 00:30:45.109
I remember hearing his green lantern joke and one of his standups from, you know, back in like the early 2000s.

00:30:45.109 --> 00:30:47.650
And I was like, yes, Patton's one of us, right?

00:30:47.650 --> 00:30:54.930
And you know, they just, so much of themselves is in that minor threats and it's so fun to see you guys play in that sandbox as well.

00:30:54.930 --> 00:30:59.569
And you know, while we're talking about all this right now with Barfly, of course, again, that comes out on July 10th.

00:30:59.569 --> 00:31:01.582
I want to kind of shift gears a little bit.

00:31:01.582 --> 00:31:03.781
and talk about you guys sort of individually here.

00:31:03.781 --> 00:31:05.942
So as I said, there's the beginning.

00:31:06.321 --> 00:31:08.461
As I've said, there's a beginning.

00:31:08.461 --> 00:31:10.342
No, you gotta keep the hat on.

00:31:10.342 --> 00:31:12.241
That's part of the contract.

00:31:12.261 --> 00:31:15.922
I agreed to have Ryan on the show as long as he wore the bar, the bar fly hat.

00:31:15.922 --> 00:31:17.422
I think that's in my channel.

00:31:17.422 --> 00:31:18.011
Send him a check.

00:31:18.011 --> 00:31:18.811
That's right.

00:31:18.811 --> 00:31:19.862
Exactly.

00:31:20.061 --> 00:31:25.261
And I said this earlier, you guys are again, two of the funniest creators that I know of currently working in comics.

00:31:25.261 --> 00:31:27.950
God hates astronauts to me is still one of the most innovatively.

00:31:27.950 --> 00:31:31.490
hilarious and advanced comic titles and recent memory.

00:31:31.490 --> 00:31:33.180
And then, you know, Kyle with you, Peacemaker Tries Hard.

00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:36.569
We talked about it a little bit before the conversation here off air.

00:31:36.569 --> 00:31:49.529
It makes a compelling case for me as one of my favorite big two books in recent memory based solely on just the mixture of heart and comedic timing that very much represents that, you know, the source material there with the TV show and then of course, Suicide Squad.

00:31:49.549 --> 00:31:51.730
So Kyle, I'd love to start with you.

00:31:51.730 --> 00:31:58.157
Has there been a particular title that you've seen over the last couple of years that you feel like your fans have really championed?

00:31:58.157 --> 00:32:01.357
Here's my answer and I don't know if it's answering the actual question that you want.

00:32:01.357 --> 00:32:15.958
But since last year, which was sort of my best year with I Hate This Place, which was GLAAD nominated and EYES are nominated and then Where Monsters Lie, which sold out and then Peacemaker, it was sort of my star rose significantly, I think in terms of visibility.

00:32:15.958 --> 00:32:21.248
And the book that certainly benefited the most from my previous catalog was Rock Candy Mountain.

00:32:21.248 --> 00:32:26.132
So much so that Eric Stevenson, the CEO was like, we should, we should put it out as one book.

00:32:26.132 --> 00:32:30.652
And I was like, we should absolutely put it out as one book, which I think comes out this month, sometime June.

00:32:30.652 --> 00:32:31.092
I don't know.

00:32:31.092 --> 00:32:31.761
I should know.

00:32:31.761 --> 00:32:32.741
I love that book.

00:32:32.741 --> 00:32:33.842
That book's great.

00:32:33.842 --> 00:32:34.321
You know what?

00:32:34.321 --> 00:32:37.162
Here's the thing is that I emailed them.

00:32:37.162 --> 00:32:42.571
I emailed Stevenson, let's say like three years ago, maybe before the pandemic, maybe it came out in 2017.

00:32:42.571 --> 00:32:47.092
So maybe like 2019, it was when they were doing their $10 volume one.

00:32:47.092 --> 00:32:48.942
So that we do a 10 volume, then we'll do the second one.

00:32:48.942 --> 00:32:50.852
And I just said, okay, cause I'd never drawn a series.

00:32:50.852 --> 00:32:52.365
I'd only done OGNs.

00:32:52.365 --> 00:32:53.605
And I was like, okay.

00:32:53.605 --> 00:32:57.056
But then once it came out, I was like, I, it just stops after issue.

00:32:57.056 --> 00:32:57.746
It just stops.

00:32:57.746 --> 00:32:59.165
Like there's no like cliffhanger.

00:32:59.165 --> 00:33:01.746
There's no, it's not, the endings aren't great.

00:33:01.746 --> 00:33:05.766
It's a good series, but the endings for each issue, it's, it's, it's one story to me.

00:33:05.766 --> 00:33:06.326
Right.

00:33:06.326 --> 00:33:13.986
And I, I emailed him, I was like, man, cause Sex Castle, which is one OGN has sold steadily since its conception.

00:33:13.986 --> 00:33:16.816
Cause people buy it, they like it, they give it to someone, they buy it again, they give it to someone.

00:33:16.816 --> 00:33:17.145
Right.

00:33:17.145 --> 00:33:18.346
It's the whole story.

00:33:18.346 --> 00:33:21.115
And so Rocking the Mountain didn't benefit from that because it was two books.

00:33:21.115 --> 00:33:22.529
And I was like, Hey, we should.

00:33:22.829 --> 00:33:24.650
What if we did a hardcover collection?

00:33:24.650 --> 00:33:26.269
Because I think that's the best way to read the book.

00:33:26.269 --> 00:33:27.910
And Stevenson goes, yeah, that sounds a great idea.

00:33:27.910 --> 00:33:29.369
This was like 2019.

00:33:29.369 --> 00:33:30.559
Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.059
Let me get the money guy in here real quick.

00:33:32.059 --> 00:33:33.119
And the money guy got in the email.

00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.259
I was like, hey, what are you guys talking about?

00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:39.130
And I was like, we're talking about maybe doing like a hardback or like some sort of collect edition of Rockin' E -Mountain.

00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:43.789
And the email literally says, you know, we didn't sell any of those, right?

00:33:44.670 --> 00:33:45.680
And I was like, cool, cool.

00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:46.230
No, I get it.

00:33:46.230 --> 00:33:46.880
So it's not going to happen.

00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:47.789
That makes sense to me.

00:33:47.789 --> 00:33:51.981
I knew it didn't sell very well, but I thought it was because of this thing.

00:33:51.981 --> 00:34:00.872
Which clearly it was like it clearly should have been one so it's like it's to me It's the way it should have it's my one regret in comics is that I I didn't know better Than to go no it should be one book.

00:34:00.872 --> 00:34:01.811
Let's just do one book.

00:34:01.811 --> 00:34:02.602
So yeah, it's happening.

00:34:02.602 --> 00:34:16.282
It's crazy That's probably the book that's been for the most Assassination that I did with Eric Anderson for skybound is probably a close number two Just because I think the elevator pitch is so easy What if a bodyguard hired the 20 greatest hitman to try to protect him from being assassinated?

00:34:16.282 --> 00:34:18.961
It's pretty easy Elevator pitch them.

00:34:18.961 --> 00:34:19.961
I guess that's the answer.

00:34:19.961 --> 00:34:27.581
I don't know get, I mean, the books that came out last year are certainly the ones probably I see the most of, which is like peacemaker and where monsters lie.

00:34:27.581 --> 00:34:29.061
And I hate this place.

00:34:29.161 --> 00:34:29.960
Yeah.

00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:30.530
Ryan, how about you?

00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:31.920
I feel like this might be a silly question.

00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:41.581
I feel like I might already know the answer here, but in terms of like your fan base, what is the one book that you feel like they, when you are at a convention or whatnot, they always have this book with them.

00:34:42.061 --> 00:34:46.081
you know, I have like a couple of different audiences.

00:34:46.751 --> 00:34:54.505
the people that like, God hates astronauts and my other book, Blast Furnace, like it's their favorite book.

00:34:54.505 --> 00:34:59.045
And so I still have people that that's what they want me to be doing at all times.

00:34:59.045 --> 00:35:10.144
Like even when I was doing curse words for four years, you know, it was like, when are you going to do the thing that where people say bad words all the time and have their lives.

00:35:10.144 --> 00:35:11.164
Yeah.

00:35:11.164 --> 00:35:27.849
And and so like I have like these different buckets of you know, true absurdist stuff that has a very small audience, but like everybody is like, it's super cult and people are super into it and they will buy every iteration of it.

00:35:27.849 --> 00:35:34.210
And those people, you know, have kept me working in this industry for a long time now, which is amazing.

00:35:34.210 --> 00:35:36.659
So those are like the people that back Kickstarter and stuff.

00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:39.869
And then there's the people that get my stuff at stores.

00:35:39.869 --> 00:35:55.954
And so the mainly the comics that I do for Image, which is the bulk of the stuff like Pretty much I only work for Image unless it's something special like this book with Patton and Kyle and Jordan.

00:35:55.954 --> 00:36:06.414
But mostly I just work for Image because I'm still very militant and want to own everything I make because it's my shit and it was my idea.

00:36:06.554 --> 00:36:15.373
Comics is such an industry filled with awful middlemen who want to suck all the money out of you.

00:36:15.373 --> 00:36:32.963
So yeah, so for me, like I have, you know, last year than the year before was really strange because of a billion genies being such a critical success and like having a broad appeal just because of the, you know, the log line appealed to my mom, right?

00:36:32.963 --> 00:36:36.233
Like people's parents were reading this book, right?

00:36:36.233 --> 00:36:38.474
Like it was, it was really weird.

00:36:38.474 --> 00:36:46.630
Like I can't get people to read God Hates Astronauts unless they're like, down with the sickness and know this shit, you know?

00:36:46.630 --> 00:36:49.480
But like, there's something about a clear, concise idea.

00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:59.429
Yeah, but I'm assuming it's like, I get the timing of it, like the wish fulfillment when going through the pandemic ended up being accidentally like perfect.

00:36:59.429 --> 00:37:09.969
And so that, you know, still comic shows, it's such an unbelievable how unbelievable it is to sell that book to people.

00:37:09.969 --> 00:37:18.697
And some of my cults, hardcore fans like They really like it and they like it more than they like curse words.

00:37:18.858 --> 00:37:23.597
But I still think that those people want me to be doing shit like I'm doing in Barfly.

00:37:23.597 --> 00:37:27.657
You know, like Barfly is like, I'm gonna do God hates astronauts stuff in here.

00:37:27.657 --> 00:37:30.478
I'm gonna like, I'm gonna dance.

00:37:30.478 --> 00:37:31.677
That one's watching, man.

00:37:31.677 --> 00:37:32.757
And you better watch out.

00:37:32.757 --> 00:37:34.057
It's great though.

00:37:34.498 --> 00:37:36.157
Do you get this joke?

00:37:36.157 --> 00:37:36.898
No?

00:37:36.898 --> 00:37:38.478
Screw you.

00:37:38.478 --> 00:37:39.557
Moving on.

00:37:39.557 --> 00:37:40.418
That's what it's like.

00:37:40.418 --> 00:37:41.838
I feel like in...

00:37:41.838 --> 00:37:50.797
This is a completely different conversation, but I say humbly, I think Ryan and I are in a fairly elite group of people who make comedy comics well.

00:37:50.797 --> 00:37:55.378
And one of the, you know, the guys who do it, Mark Russell is very specific.

00:37:55.378 --> 00:37:56.677
It's satirical.

00:37:56.677 --> 00:37:58.007
He's very good at it.

00:37:58.007 --> 00:38:06.378
But I think everyone else realizes you have to be like, you want to do sort of high brow, you want to do low brow, and then you do some shit for yourself and you hope the shit for yourself.

00:38:06.378 --> 00:38:07.498
Like it's just for you.

00:38:07.498 --> 00:38:10.670
But probably that's generally the stuff that people will think is the funniest thing.

00:38:10.670 --> 00:38:19.679
Ryan, I was showing, I think Schweitzer, I was showing him yesterday pages and I showed him the weird guy at the bar, which is 100 % just a Ryan Brown joke.

00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:24.550
It's 100 % a Ryan Brown joke and no one else would make the jokes.

00:38:24.550 --> 00:38:27.210
And Schweitzer was dying.

00:38:27.210 --> 00:38:31.289
He thought it was the funny, I'm like, that's proof of concept.

00:38:31.289 --> 00:38:34.829
That was the highlight of the book for me, getting to you just being like.

00:38:34.829 --> 00:38:36.929
He might be a giant blob or something.

00:38:36.929 --> 00:38:37.659
I don't know.

00:38:37.659 --> 00:38:38.159
Make it up.

00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:39.059
Make him weird.

00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:40.690
And I'm like, yeah.

00:38:40.690 --> 00:38:41.849
Here we go.

00:38:41.849 --> 00:38:43.510
Let's see him again.

00:38:43.510 --> 00:38:44.610
No, it's so good.

00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:47.139
Kyle, the script is just like, let your freak flag fly.

00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:48.360
Just do whatever you want here.

00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:49.610
Just go crazy.

00:38:49.610 --> 00:38:50.849
I was like, it doesn't matter.

00:38:50.849 --> 00:38:51.989
Just long as he's weird.

00:38:51.989 --> 00:38:56.599
And Ryan's like, like, he pulls up a white cat and starts petting real slow.

00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:57.809
You know what I mean?

00:38:58.250 --> 00:38:59.751
What's he doing?

00:38:59.853 --> 00:39:00.514
What's he doing?

00:39:00.514 --> 00:39:05.614
Hey, for what it's worth, because I think Eight Billion Genies is one of the best books of the last five years.

00:39:05.614 --> 00:39:07.273
I think it's an amazing...

00:39:07.273 --> 00:39:08.873
It has so many things.

00:39:08.873 --> 00:39:09.414
We don't want to...

00:39:09.414 --> 00:39:11.293
I don't know, but it does this thing.

00:39:11.353 --> 00:39:14.634
My friend Matt Kent is very interested in things that can only be comics.

00:39:14.634 --> 00:39:17.693
And in many ways, like Eight Billion Genies can only be a comic.

00:39:17.693 --> 00:39:22.974
But also it's one of those things where, in my opinion, no one besides you could have drawn that book.

00:39:22.974 --> 00:39:25.153
It's such a relentless...

00:39:25.153 --> 00:39:26.253
And you're doing the same thing with this book.

00:39:26.253 --> 00:39:28.269
That's why I say, like, I feel like you're so in pocket right now.

00:39:28.269 --> 00:39:30.829
You seem fully in control of what you want things to be.

00:39:30.829 --> 00:39:36.489
And it's so impressive to see is like only you could have done that book because it's such a relentless display of creativity.

00:39:36.489 --> 00:39:37.469
No one else could do it.

00:39:37.469 --> 00:39:40.309
No one else could hang with the concept of that book.

00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:41.530
So it's like a perfect storm.

00:39:41.530 --> 00:39:42.070
Charles is great.

00:39:42.070 --> 00:39:42.719
We love Charles.

00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:43.380
He's not here.

00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:44.769
I don't think it's nice about him.

00:39:44.769 --> 00:39:45.650
Thank you, man.

00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:46.900
That's way too kind.

00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:48.150
Way too kind.

00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:49.800
I've read as far as well.

00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.889
Listen, I even read the second half of Bedlam.

00:39:51.889 --> 00:39:53.789
Like I've read a bunch of Ryan Brown stuff.

00:39:53.789 --> 00:39:55.150
Like I've been there for it.

00:39:55.150 --> 00:40:06.230
is like, Avalon Genie is, I love God Hates, I love God Hates Astronauts, but like something about Avalon Genie is it does that thing where it's like, it's you and Charles, obviously, Charles, because it's so cerebral.

00:40:06.230 --> 00:40:11.449
I'm assuming that part's his, the part that's very cerebral, which is not me denigrating you.

00:40:11.449 --> 00:40:11.789
I'm just saying.

00:40:11.789 --> 00:40:13.019
Yeah, no, no, no, no, not at all.

00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:16.210
I mean, I think that's a great mix for us.

00:40:16.210 --> 00:40:21.820
Yeah, it's such a, there's a fancy like French way of saying like, it's a big force.

00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:23.693
It's like, it's such a display.

00:40:23.693 --> 00:40:25.414
of creativity and it's so smart.

00:40:25.414 --> 00:40:31.074
But the thing is, it's such a simple, easy thing to say and it's in the title.

00:40:31.454 --> 00:40:36.643
It's such a good idea, which there's a lot of good ideas that aren't done well, but to have that perfect, it's literally the perfect story.

00:40:36.643 --> 00:40:39.833
I think it's one of the best, I tell people all the time, I think it's one of the best books.

00:40:39.833 --> 00:40:43.454
And generally I just say you and Pulp, by the way, which is Brubaker, like you guys and Pulp.

00:40:43.454 --> 00:40:46.454
Or Supergirl, Supergirl's great, Tom Girl's Key and Supergirl's great.

00:40:46.454 --> 00:40:50.083
I think those are the three best books of the last five years and I don't know what number four is.

00:40:50.083 --> 00:40:51.949
I'd like to pretend maybe it's something I did, but.

00:40:51.949 --> 00:40:54.530
8 Billion Genies is unbelievable.

00:40:54.530 --> 00:41:05.900
And the thing is like for this book, I really see for you, especially as you're just talking, because I really see it, it's in that Venn diagram between God hates astronauts and 8 Billion Genies to me, because you're doing so much.

00:41:05.900 --> 00:41:08.210
It's to me very 8 Billion Genies, right?

00:41:08.210 --> 00:41:16.690
But like, it very much feels like the sort of superhero world of early God hates astronauts that you're playing in that world too.

00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:19.280
And I don't think I would have put that together until you were just saying it.

00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.289
But now I can fully see it.

00:41:21.358 --> 00:41:23.257
I think that's really interesting.

00:41:23.257 --> 00:41:24.447
Anyway, Ryan's really good guys.

00:41:24.447 --> 00:41:25.088
Did you guys know that?

00:41:25.088 --> 00:41:26.378
Thank you.

00:41:26.717 --> 00:41:27.777
I agree.

00:41:27.918 --> 00:41:28.807
my gosh.

00:41:28.807 --> 00:41:29.728
That's amazing.

00:41:29.728 --> 00:41:30.978
Well, it's so, it's so funny.

00:41:30.978 --> 00:41:36.998
We're talking about this because Kyle, you've perfectly set me up for a great transition into a billion genies, which was my next question.

00:41:36.998 --> 00:41:38.157
Let me just start off here.

00:41:38.157 --> 00:41:42.168
So the last time that we talked to your Ryan with Charles, you guys were both on the show.

00:41:42.168 --> 00:41:45.869
The rights for a billion genies had just been purchased from Amazon.

00:41:45.869 --> 00:41:48.440
and had been rumored to be getting a television series.

00:41:48.440 --> 00:42:00.769
And since then, officially it's been announced, I think it was in March, that Seth Rogen and his Point Grey Pictures was looking to produce the series through Amazon MGM as a potential, not only series, but also some film adaptations as well.

00:42:00.769 --> 00:42:04.150
So I want to echo really quickly everything that Kyle just said.

00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:06.429
It is very much a comics comic.

00:42:06.429 --> 00:42:12.750
And I feel like a lot of that book and a lot of the appeal of that book is so intrinsically tied to what you do so well, right?

00:42:12.750 --> 00:42:24.449
So my question for you is when you're thinking about the adaptation, What element or elements of 8 billion genies do you want to stay 100 % soul Brown true with that?

00:42:24.449 --> 00:42:27.329
You know that original series that will eventually go to MGM Amazon.

00:42:27.329 --> 00:42:32.369
Yeah, I mean so they're working on it right now as a as a feature.

00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:37.250
That's a direct adaptation of the eight issue series.

00:42:37.250 --> 00:42:45.934
Ronnie Rotham is writing it and he wrote and directed into the Spiderverse and he actually used to be hit Letterman's head writer.

00:42:45.934 --> 00:43:06.233
Which I really love there's a there's a really good video of him on on YouTube Talking about his time writing for Letterman and how he wrote a skit where Chris Farley threw him in a dumpster and there's like that you could watch the video where he's pretending to be an audience member and Chris Farley runs out and grabs him and Carries him in the alley and throws him in a dumpster.

00:43:06.233 --> 00:43:40.360
So yeah So the guy that's writing my movie was thrown in a dumpster by Chris Farley and that makes me really happy But yeah, and Seth Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg in their company point gray they are the production company and we've also have a couple different producers who worked on Star Wars and Pixar films and so yeah, like Amazon is like going full force at it and it's kind of shocking and thrilling Charles and I are involved creatively in terms of where we get meaningful consultation.

00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:41.369
We're executive producers.

00:43:41.369 --> 00:43:51.458
And so specifically like for me, I am like supposed to be in charge of the genie design and like get get all final say on genie design.

00:43:51.458 --> 00:43:59.887
So from everything that I understand, like it's going to be a live action with the genies looking like the way that I drew them and cartoon them.

00:43:59.887 --> 00:44:03.438
And, you know, my little Adventure Time dude with a starfield kind of thing.

00:44:03.438 --> 00:44:06.677
I have no fucking clue what they sound like.

00:44:06.677 --> 00:44:09.338
And I'd like I don't know they all have the same voice.

00:44:09.338 --> 00:44:13.878
I don't know if they sound cute or if you're EP, it should be us.

00:44:13.878 --> 00:44:15.054
We'll do the voices.

00:44:15.054 --> 00:44:15.994
Yeah.

00:44:15.994 --> 00:44:16.554
Yeah.

00:44:16.554 --> 00:44:28.134
When that was still like the early thing with Seth Rogen was courting us, he made this Photoshop image of his head on a genie and then wrote that he would be the voice of the genie if we chose them.

00:44:28.134 --> 00:44:30.583
And I was like, I did not laugh.

00:44:30.583 --> 00:44:31.614
That would be cool.

00:44:31.614 --> 00:44:32.773
But also, I don't know.

00:44:32.773 --> 00:44:33.373
Is that right?

00:44:33.373 --> 00:44:34.353
I don't know.

00:44:34.353 --> 00:44:34.954
Maybe.

00:44:34.954 --> 00:44:36.713
Yeah, I don't know.

00:44:36.713 --> 00:44:38.403
Yeah, I really just don't know.

00:44:38.403 --> 00:44:40.844
I mean, like, do they sound like they're from outer space?

00:44:40.844 --> 00:44:41.623
Do they sound like?

00:44:41.623 --> 00:44:42.204
I don't know.

00:44:42.204 --> 00:44:44.014
Anyways, that's not for me to figure out.

00:44:44.014 --> 00:44:50.514
But but in terms of like that, like I could totally see how, you know, it could work.

00:44:50.514 --> 00:44:55.853
It just the time jumps would be it's just a lot of story to handle.

00:44:55.853 --> 00:45:01.673
And we really set up a world with eight billion possibilities of what could happen.

00:45:01.673 --> 00:45:08.114
And then we told a very focused story about eight people and the rest of the world.

00:45:08.114 --> 00:45:21.938
And so, you know, the concept is to make this movie and then if it goes well to flesh it out into a series and, you know, explore eight billion genies in India and eight billion genies in South Africa.

00:45:21.938 --> 00:45:30.438
And, you know, like you could, you could look at like, cause wishing is, is, is, is something inherent to humans and you find it in like almost all cultures.

00:45:30.438 --> 00:45:34.697
So, you know, it's, it's a thing that, that has that universal appeal.

00:45:34.697 --> 00:45:37.228
Again, this is always like very accidental.

00:45:37.228 --> 00:45:39.646
It was just some stupid idea I had.

00:45:39.661 --> 00:45:42.041
that I thought would be an impossible story.

00:45:42.041 --> 00:45:59.282
And it was Charles who figured out how to like actually make it into a narrative by like having the safe haven of the bar and following it through these people and like making it a story like an intimate story about humans that would then tell the story about humanity as a whole.

00:45:59.282 --> 00:46:01.742
So yeah, what was your question?

00:46:01.742 --> 00:46:07.501
You answered it was basically what would be what would be the normal would be like the soul Brown.

00:46:07.501 --> 00:46:09.652
element that has to stay with that next adaptation.

00:46:09.652 --> 00:46:13.382
And I think you answered it with the visual style of the actual genies themselves, right?

00:46:13.382 --> 00:46:14.422
Like, yeah, that's very important.

00:46:14.422 --> 00:46:15.762
And I think it's very iconic.

00:46:15.762 --> 00:46:18.141
Like when you think of 8 billion genes, what's the first thing you think of?

00:46:18.141 --> 00:46:19.291
You think of the genies, right?

00:46:19.291 --> 00:46:21.121
So they look like the comic.

00:46:21.121 --> 00:46:22.402
We're looking good here.

00:46:22.402 --> 00:46:28.001
Well, part of why it was so popular is that it's a story that you play along with.

00:46:28.001 --> 00:46:34.541
Some other apocalypse stuff like the Walking Dead, you might kind of feel that too, where it's like, what would I do if the world ended kind of thing?

00:46:34.541 --> 00:46:58.681
But like the what would I wish for is something everyone has already thought about but then it it has this whole equation of what would you wish for when everyone else can wish for something as well and so then that has that universal appeal of you watching it and you can or reading it and You participate and you can judge people based on the decisions they make like I would never would have done that that was stupid or that was a smart idea I never would have thought of that kind of thing.

00:46:58.681 --> 00:47:06.085
So it It has this universal appeal that nothing I will ever do again will ever have.

00:47:06.085 --> 00:47:07.626
Which is fine.

00:47:07.626 --> 00:47:08.346
I'd do it once.

00:47:08.346 --> 00:47:09.516
No, we're doing it right now.

00:47:09.516 --> 00:47:10.335
It's Barfly.

00:47:10.335 --> 00:47:11.826
We're doing it right now.

00:47:11.826 --> 00:47:13.905
The people are going to love it.

00:47:13.905 --> 00:47:16.445
Let's see Pat Oswald's shitty little henchmen.

00:47:16.445 --> 00:47:17.385
Let's see him.

00:47:17.385 --> 00:47:18.056
What's he up to?

00:47:18.056 --> 00:47:20.766
I guarantee people are going to love Barfly.

00:47:20.766 --> 00:47:21.612
I don't think you will.

00:47:21.612 --> 00:47:22.835
Wonderful shenanigans is what he's up to.

00:47:22.835 --> 00:47:24.445
He's an adorable little man.

00:47:24.445 --> 00:47:29.389
My mom won't read Barfly, but man, some people will really, really like it.

00:47:29.389 --> 00:47:31.449
Both of your fan bases are absolutely adored.

00:47:31.449 --> 00:47:36.659
I know for a fact as big fans of both of yours, I will say that reading that first issue, all I wanted was more.

00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:40.070
I would say that I have more of an attachment to Barfly than I had to.

00:47:40.070 --> 00:47:41.650
And I really liked Minor Threats.

00:47:41.650 --> 00:47:43.590
I genuinely love that first trade.

00:47:43.590 --> 00:47:48.010
I haven't read the first volume, sorry, the second volume or the alternates.

00:47:48.010 --> 00:47:52.349
But I will say Barfly is my new central character in the Minor Threats universe.

00:47:52.349 --> 00:47:55.170
This is who I want to see going forward because of you two.

00:47:55.170 --> 00:47:56.782
So I agree 100%.

00:47:56.782 --> 00:48:01.101
I agree and I encourage it, but Tim Seely had a lobster man who I adore.

00:48:01.101 --> 00:48:02.762
I love the lobster man so much.

00:48:02.762 --> 00:48:03.322
Yeah.

00:48:03.322 --> 00:48:05.742
Can we get a lobster man bar fly, spin off, spin off.

00:48:05.742 --> 00:48:06.641
That'd be pretty cool.

00:48:06.641 --> 00:48:07.541
Right.

00:48:08.641 --> 00:48:09.342
Yeah.

00:48:09.461 --> 00:48:10.762
They're going to get me back in.

00:48:10.762 --> 00:48:12.161
They're going to get me back in.

00:48:12.161 --> 00:48:14.342
I thought it was lobster man.

00:48:15.242 --> 00:48:25.614
So speaking of adaptations, I mentioned it earlier, Kyle, you participated in sort of like a reverse adaptation over at DC with black labels, mini series.

00:48:25.614 --> 00:48:26.873
Peacemaker tries hard.

00:48:26.873 --> 00:48:32.793
And there you took a fan favorite version of a character that hadn't really had much relevance since the 1980s.

00:48:32.793 --> 00:48:36.784
And then again, you know, not even then to seriously, right.

00:48:36.784 --> 00:48:39.704
And then, you know, fast forward to 2021 Suicide Squad.

00:48:39.704 --> 00:48:46.293
And then of course, the HBO Max series, you just completely understood the assignment when it came to perfectly transitioning that character.

00:48:46.293 --> 00:48:50.184
I would say most people's ideal version of that character to back to the comics.

00:48:50.184 --> 00:48:50.443
Right.

00:48:50.443 --> 00:48:58.545
So what was that process like for you tackling that character of Peacemaker and sort of putting your stark spin on it and bringing it back into comics.

00:48:58.545 --> 00:49:00.326
There's a good story to Peacemaker.

00:49:00.326 --> 00:49:02.115
So I'll do the long version.

00:49:02.115 --> 00:49:02.695
Okay.

00:49:02.695 --> 00:49:05.465
Because Ryan talked a lot about how much money he made off this movie.

00:49:05.465 --> 00:49:09.465
So that's the part I imagined.

00:49:09.465 --> 00:49:10.746
I imagine they paid me in toys.

00:49:10.746 --> 00:49:12.186
They paid me in toys.

00:49:12.666 --> 00:49:16.795
Well, we get what we ask for sometimes.

00:49:16.795 --> 00:49:18.346
Very rarely.

00:49:18.786 --> 00:49:21.076
So I love James Gunn.

00:49:21.076 --> 00:49:24.289
I think James Gunn is the best version of me in many ways.

00:49:24.289 --> 00:49:28.210
He has all the moves that I have, he does very well.

00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:31.260
And I was watching Peacemaker like everyone else and I adored it.

00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:34.429
I adored Spirocide Squad because I think he's so good with character.

00:49:34.429 --> 00:49:39.829
And I was just enjoying a big guy, big dumb guy trying to do the best he can.

00:49:39.829 --> 00:49:46.159
And someone I know tweeted, hey DC, why isn't there a Peacemaker comic and why isn't Kyle Starks doing it?

00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:48.365
And at that moment I said, hey.

00:49:48.365 --> 00:49:54.916
I think I would do a really good job because it's kind of what I do anyway, which is big dumb guys trying as hard as they can with big action spectacle.

00:49:54.916 --> 00:50:00.826
So I retweeted it and someone called me within an hour, which is not how you get jobs ever.

00:50:01.826 --> 00:50:03.106
which is everything.

00:50:03.106 --> 00:50:04.206
Even bar fly.

00:50:04.206 --> 00:50:12.425
I mean, I found out about it because Patton and Jordan mentioned they wanted to work with me on a, on a podcast and people were like, did you see Jordan or did you see Patton and Jordan are talking about you?

00:50:12.425 --> 00:50:14.206
And I'm like, no, they're not like who gives a shit.

00:50:14.206 --> 00:50:16.594
I was like, also We had the same editor.

00:50:16.594 --> 00:50:18.963
So if they wanted to get a hold of me, like they could just get a hold of me.

00:50:18.963 --> 00:50:19.554
You know what I mean?

00:50:19.554 --> 00:50:21.134
So like, they're just talking.

00:50:21.134 --> 00:50:25.224
It's the same thing where I was like, well, I'll, I'll reach out to them just to see what's up.

00:50:25.224 --> 00:50:26.173
You know what I mean?

00:50:26.173 --> 00:50:33.554
Because if they were like, because like I said, in that instance, I'm segueing, but Patton was like, we want you guys to do you we like your work that I'm in on.

00:50:33.554 --> 00:50:36.173
But if they're like, we hear what we'd like, I'd be like, I don't want to do that.

00:50:36.173 --> 00:50:39.963
Anyway, they reach out to me faith maker and in regards to how did it come to be the show?

00:50:39.963 --> 00:50:41.333
They asked me they're like, what?

00:50:41.333 --> 00:50:42.844
So how do you envision Peacemaker?

00:50:42.844 --> 00:50:43.949
Like that was a con.

00:50:43.949 --> 00:50:50.010
is a very short, very brief conversation, whereas it has to be as close to that thing as we're allowed to do.

00:50:50.010 --> 00:50:51.409
That's what people like.

00:50:51.409 --> 00:50:58.070
And certainly, like you said, North Star to me earlier, which is something, my North Star is that I want to make the thing that I wish existed.

00:50:58.070 --> 00:51:01.280
And I want to make things that exist in a way that other people will enjoy them too.

00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.780
But when I got asked to do Rick and Morty after season one, before season two, I was like, I love that.

00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:09.079
I wish there was more because they're so solid making it.

00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:10.157
And my...

00:51:10.157 --> 00:51:14.677
My goal for that was to make more episodes of Rick and Morty for people who are waiting for the show to come back.

00:51:14.677 --> 00:51:21.967
And certainly for this, it's like I want to make something as close to that show as possible, which is going to be really easy because it's literally the type of stories that I tell.

00:51:21.967 --> 00:51:22.677
It's a hunt.

00:51:22.677 --> 00:51:24.797
Both of those things are just so in my wheelhouse.

00:51:24.797 --> 00:51:25.597
Very natural.

00:51:25.597 --> 00:51:27.418
Peacemaker is very natural for me.

00:51:27.418 --> 00:51:32.418
And similar to the things that sort of Ryan said before, Peacemaker is so wide open.

00:51:32.418 --> 00:51:37.117
Like I was allowed to do basically whatever I wanted to do, whatever silly thing I wanted to do.

00:51:37.117 --> 00:51:40.077
And there's a lot of opportunity and freedom in that.

00:51:40.077 --> 00:51:44.338
So, I mean, it's a very brief conversation of like, what do you think Peacemaker?

00:51:44.338 --> 00:51:47.398
Like it's that show, like why would we talk about anything else?

00:51:47.818 --> 00:51:59.518
And I think for whatever it's, I think I'm good at aping things like that, but for Peacemaker, it's literally, it was just me doing what I wanted to be like, who's the villain that would be fit this?

00:51:59.518 --> 00:52:00.128
You know what I mean?

00:52:00.128 --> 00:52:07.117
Literally that, like who, what villain, in fact, if I'm gonna be honest, a lot of it was if I never get to do another DC book, which villain do I want to use?

00:52:07.117 --> 00:52:08.717
And they never said no.

00:52:08.717 --> 00:52:11.137
So like it had to be Molly in the Brain because they're my favorite.

00:52:11.137 --> 00:52:11.987
They're my all time favorite.

00:52:11.987 --> 00:52:13.327
I'm a Grant Morrison, Dude Patrol guy.

00:52:13.327 --> 00:52:14.557
It had to be Molly in the Brain.

00:52:14.557 --> 00:52:17.797
And I love the representation that they bring to the table.

00:52:17.797 --> 00:52:23.097
But then it's like, I want to do Demolition Team and I want to do Snowflame, the cocaine powered supervillain.

00:52:23.097 --> 00:52:24.978
And I want to do Kimo.

00:52:24.978 --> 00:52:27.527
But I wanted it to be, you'll like this, Ryan.

00:52:27.527 --> 00:52:32.577
I wanted it to be the original Kimo that just looks like a plastic man that spits out of a hole in his mouth, right?

00:52:32.813 --> 00:52:36.673
They were like, no, Eric Anderson did a variant cover with the new chemo on it.

00:52:36.673 --> 00:52:44.103
So we had to use the new design, but I just wanted it to be like that really Mike McNola did the who's who I was always drawn to.

00:52:44.103 --> 00:52:45.063
If I didn't know it was Mike McNola.

00:52:45.063 --> 00:52:49.893
So like many years ago, he did the who's who of chemo, which is just a human jar that spits out acid.

00:52:49.893 --> 00:52:50.443
What?

00:52:50.443 --> 00:52:51.753
I don't know this character.

00:52:51.753 --> 00:52:52.634
Yeah.

00:52:52.954 --> 00:52:53.764
do who's who?

00:52:53.764 --> 00:52:55.224
You'll see the Mike McNola one, which is crazy.

00:52:55.224 --> 00:52:58.153
I don't know why McNola is drawing it, but he's like a human jar.

00:52:58.153 --> 00:53:05.579
He's from old Doom Patrol and old Shazam, like old, he would have been in like, the monster society, probably.

00:53:05.579 --> 00:53:06.630
I say that with such confidence.

00:53:06.630 --> 00:53:07.349
I could be wrong.

00:53:07.349 --> 00:53:10.960
I'm pretty sure he was in the monster society, but he's literally just like a jar.

00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.000
Like he's a jar shaped man who spits acid out of a hole in his mouth.

00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:15.530
He's giant.

00:53:15.530 --> 00:53:17.590
He's like a hundred stories tall.

00:53:17.590 --> 00:53:21.449
But when they brought him, you know, when we had new 52, he has like gauntlets and stuff now.

00:53:21.449 --> 00:53:23.710
So it's not quite as fun, but neither here nor there.

00:53:23.710 --> 00:53:25.230
But there's one thing that why don't you use chemo?

00:53:25.230 --> 00:53:29.581
It's like, cause he's such a ridiculous, it's such a ridiculous idea to have chemo show up.

00:53:29.581 --> 00:53:30.702
but also would be fit the story.

00:53:30.702 --> 00:53:31.802
Everything has to be fit the story.

00:53:31.802 --> 00:53:34.981
The characters don't matter ultimately, but the body is like, why is it here?

00:53:34.981 --> 00:53:35.661
Cause that's what I wanted.

00:53:35.661 --> 00:53:37.202
Like that's what they should have been doing.

00:53:37.202 --> 00:53:41.362
It should still be happening probably, but that's neither here nor there.

00:53:41.621 --> 00:53:43.001
That's how Peacemaker came about.

00:53:43.001 --> 00:53:44.541
That's how we got Peacemaker, which I adore.

00:53:44.541 --> 00:53:47.942
I think Steve Pugh and Ryan does the same thing again.

00:53:47.942 --> 00:53:51.992
I hate to keep blowing smoke at Ryan's ass as he's sitting there.

00:53:51.992 --> 00:53:58.414
Throwing things that look like a superhero comic that still get beats and still get any comedy.

00:53:58.414 --> 00:54:03.353
moves at all is really hard to do without negating the other.

00:54:03.954 --> 00:54:12.693
And certainly, Barfly is very funny and it's drawn very funny, but it also looks like the characters look like they exist in a superhero universe.

00:54:12.693 --> 00:54:18.094
And that's really important because if you want people who like superheroes to read your comic, it has to look like a superhero comic.

00:54:18.094 --> 00:54:18.844
You know what I mean?

00:54:18.844 --> 00:54:24.134
And it's really hard for people to be able to do sort of comedy beats and do superhero stuff.

00:54:24.134 --> 00:54:27.739
In fact, I did this wild dog, but the guy was like, I'm going to ham it up.

00:54:27.739 --> 00:54:29.309
I was like, don't, I might do it a hundred percent straight.

00:54:29.309 --> 00:54:31.139
It'll be funny because you're doing it straight.

00:54:31.139 --> 00:54:36.869
Cause there's, there's ways to do that too, where you let the dialogue be funny and you don't have to go look at funny because most people can't do it.

00:54:36.869 --> 00:54:39.250
Ryan can do, which is to go like, this is all hilarious.

00:54:39.250 --> 00:54:42.869
This is all funny, but it's also, there's still like a physical representation.

00:54:42.869 --> 00:54:49.710
So the C, so C, I mean, see if you, which was the point as I stand in it in the, again, going smoke of Brian's, but see if he was perfect.

00:54:49.710 --> 00:54:54.050
Like there's something about for peacemaker, my opinion, like, like kudos to those editors.

00:54:54.050 --> 00:54:55.900
I don't think it just like eight billion genies.

00:54:55.900 --> 00:55:00.621
I would, I said, Sometimes you get just the perfect group of people for that book.

00:55:00.621 --> 00:55:03.402
And certainly I think other people could do very good peacemaker book.

00:55:03.402 --> 00:55:06.081
I think other people will do very good peacemaker book.

00:55:06.081 --> 00:55:10.402
I think me and Steve have the best one now and will for a while.

00:55:11.242 --> 00:55:12.521
I'm so proud of that book.

00:55:12.521 --> 00:55:19.202
I read it and I go, this feels like a book that could exist in sort of popular DC readership forever.

00:55:19.202 --> 00:55:24.014
And I know I say that humbly, but I made something that I wish existed, right?

00:55:24.014 --> 00:55:25.403
So I'm really proud of that book.

00:55:25.403 --> 00:55:25.893
I think it's great.

00:55:25.893 --> 00:55:26.974
I think Stav did a really good job.

00:55:26.974 --> 00:55:28.204
I think editorial was great.

00:55:28.204 --> 00:55:30.713
I think we really knew the assignment and did it.

00:55:30.713 --> 00:55:32.954
I think I also answered the question.

00:55:32.954 --> 00:55:33.344
I think.

00:55:33.344 --> 00:55:34.143
Yeah, you did.

00:55:34.143 --> 00:55:34.503
Absolutely.

00:55:34.503 --> 00:55:37.914
And as I said earlier, it's one of my favorite big two books of recent memory.

00:55:37.914 --> 00:55:39.373
You guys absolutely knocked out the park.

00:55:39.373 --> 00:55:45.514
And I think my only regret and the only thing that I wanted that I didn't get out of it was I really wanted Moola and Peacemaker to really make it work.

00:55:45.514 --> 00:55:52.054
I wanted that part, that friendship to really exist outside of him just using Peacemaker to get what he wanted.

00:55:52.054 --> 00:55:53.889
But Chris, he's a super villain.

00:55:53.902 --> 00:55:57.322
I know, but so is peacemaker at one point.

00:55:57.922 --> 00:56:01.302
not really peacemaker just likes to kill people.

00:56:01.422 --> 00:56:02.572
in the movies and the movies.

00:56:02.572 --> 00:56:02.782
Yes.

00:56:02.782 --> 00:56:04.521
In the movie, I guess, technically he was.

00:56:04.521 --> 00:56:04.681
Yeah.

00:56:04.681 --> 00:56:05.222
Yeah.

00:56:05.222 --> 00:56:06.262
Yeah.

00:56:06.262 --> 00:56:08.461
Well, gentlemen, thank you guys both so much for being here.

00:56:08.461 --> 00:56:10.141
That's all I have for you here today.

00:56:10.141 --> 00:56:15.222
once again, I appreciate you both coming back onto the Abilion Bar podcast, coming on, talking about Shadir.

00:56:15.222 --> 00:56:18.501
so excited for people to get this book in their hands on July 10th.

00:56:18.501 --> 00:56:22.925
and I'm sure again, as everyone has probably already seen or heard from this conversation.

00:56:22.925 --> 00:56:25.726
You know, I'm such a huge fan of both your guys' work.

00:56:25.726 --> 00:56:29.686
Dark Horse, Minor Threats really knocked it out of the park by getting you guys together for Shit Eater.

00:56:29.686 --> 00:56:32.585
And I'm just excited to read the rest of the series like everybody else.

00:56:32.585 --> 00:56:33.065
Awesome.

00:56:33.065 --> 00:56:33.565
It's good to hear.

00:56:33.565 --> 00:56:36.746
It's always good when somebody gets that preview copy and they like it.

00:56:36.746 --> 00:56:37.666
Yeah, it's excellent.

00:56:37.666 --> 00:56:38.476
They liked it.

00:56:38.476 --> 00:56:39.304
Yeah, we did it.

00:56:39.304 --> 00:56:40.036
We did a good job.

00:56:40.036 --> 00:56:41.606
I finished the colors on issue two.

00:56:41.606 --> 00:56:43.346
I should have sent it to you today.

00:56:43.346 --> 00:56:48.346
And then you could read it without colors and then see if Kyle's words improve it or not.

00:56:48.346 --> 00:56:48.876
read it without letter?

00:56:48.876 --> 00:56:49.773
Yeah, read it without word.

00:56:49.773 --> 00:56:51.253
Yeah, without conwords.

00:56:51.253 --> 00:56:52.873
Yeah, and see if they improve it.

00:56:52.873 --> 00:56:55.813
As soon as we end this recording, I'm going to give you my email because I want all of that.

00:56:55.813 --> 00:56:56.713
Okay.

00:56:56.713 --> 00:57:00.014
I just got the first lettering pass for issue two.

00:57:00.014 --> 00:57:01.833
So that's what I get to do instead of watches.

00:57:01.833 --> 00:57:04.393
I get to do that immediately after this.

00:57:04.393 --> 00:57:07.304
Well, before I let you guys go and Kyle, I'll start with you here.

00:57:07.304 --> 00:57:11.934
Is there anything, any parting words, anything you want to plug or highlight before we end the conversation?

00:57:11.934 --> 00:57:13.373
No, I was ill prepared for this.

00:57:13.373 --> 00:57:14.324
Barfly is really good.

00:57:14.324 --> 00:57:17.273
You guys should, I think it's PassFSC, but you should check it out.

00:57:17.273 --> 00:57:18.273
It's really good.

00:57:18.273 --> 00:57:19.853
You really like it.

00:57:19.918 --> 00:57:21.438
And I highly, it's good.

00:57:21.438 --> 00:57:22.438
That's it.

00:57:22.438 --> 00:57:23.057
Thank you.

00:57:23.057 --> 00:57:27.068
I will plug really quick for Kyle that if you haven't already go pick up Karate Prime.

00:57:27.068 --> 00:57:28.257
My new book.

00:57:28.597 --> 00:57:28.978
shit.

00:57:28.978 --> 00:57:30.117
Let me start over.

00:57:30.117 --> 00:57:32.177
Let me start over.

00:57:32.177 --> 00:57:33.737
Retake, retake and.

00:57:33.737 --> 00:57:34.507
Leave all this in.

00:57:34.507 --> 00:57:35.197
Leave all this in.

00:57:35.197 --> 00:57:35.867
Leave all this in.

00:57:35.867 --> 00:57:36.277
I forgot.

00:57:36.277 --> 00:57:36.507
No.

00:57:36.507 --> 00:57:37.478
So here's what I have.

00:57:37.478 --> 00:57:39.838
Karate Prime just came out from first second.

00:57:39.838 --> 00:57:40.938
It's brand new.

00:57:40.938 --> 00:57:42.128
It's a since we got all ages.

00:57:42.128 --> 00:57:43.407
It's the second book I've ever made.

00:57:43.407 --> 00:57:46.797
You could give to a child cause it doesn't have profanity or murder in it.

00:57:46.797 --> 00:57:48.327
It is about a karate prompt.

00:57:48.327 --> 00:57:50.538
It's pretty self -explanatory.

00:57:50.538 --> 00:57:56.947
Coming out some point in June, I don't know when this thing posts, but it's probably out by then, is the Rock Candy Mountain Collective Edition, which is all eight issues together.

00:57:56.947 --> 00:57:59.398
All the back matter from those issues, which we did a ton.

00:57:59.398 --> 00:58:04.117
I did a ton of hobo research and made a bunch of other people do a ton of hobo research.

00:58:04.137 --> 00:58:05.197
It was Eiser nominated.

00:58:05.197 --> 00:58:10.297
It is arguably my first one or two best books maybe, I think you could make a case for.

00:58:10.297 --> 00:58:11.217
So both of these are coming out.

00:58:11.217 --> 00:58:11.947
Are they already out?

00:58:11.947 --> 00:58:14.137
Ryan, I know has a bunch of done projects too.

00:58:14.137 --> 00:58:15.693
I have two books done.

00:58:15.693 --> 00:58:17.103
with Dark Horse that hasn't been announced yet.

00:58:17.103 --> 00:58:18.733
I have a DC book that hasn't been announced yet.

00:58:18.733 --> 00:58:23.733
There's a huge DC secret thing happening that I'll be a part of for 2025.

00:58:23.733 --> 00:58:25.713
I'm about to start on, which I'm really excited about.

00:58:25.713 --> 00:58:26.853
There's all sorts of cool stuff happening.

00:58:26.853 --> 00:58:28.213
Comics are great.

00:58:28.213 --> 00:58:30.273
Buy more comics, support comics.

00:58:30.494 --> 00:58:31.293
Ryan, how about you?

00:58:31.293 --> 00:58:33.153
Well, I've got Barfly.

00:58:33.153 --> 00:58:44.494
And then I'm going to go to LA for two signings for the release of issue one with Patton and Jordan at Golden Apple and at Things From Another World.

00:58:44.494 --> 00:58:45.853
on July 10th.

00:58:45.853 --> 00:58:47.353
That'll be awesome.

00:58:47.353 --> 00:58:53.373
And then I'll be at San Diego with Kyle, and we'll have the whole team there with an exclusive cover.

00:58:53.373 --> 00:58:57.813
And then everything else that I'm working on can't be talked about.

00:58:57.813 --> 00:59:00.213
But I'm super fun.

00:59:00.213 --> 00:59:02.893
I'm having a lot of fun.

00:59:02.893 --> 00:59:05.253
And it's really weird to have.

00:59:05.253 --> 00:59:13.673
I feel like you're going to get four issues of barfly and then then it's going to be a couple months and then my new image series with Charles Seoul is going to start.

00:59:13.733 --> 00:59:21.393
So And that also is like a high concept thing that I think is going to hit pretty solid with people.

00:59:21.673 --> 00:59:23.974
And yeah, and I think it's going to be eight issues.

00:59:23.974 --> 00:59:27.673
We haven't I don't know yet, but we might preview it at New York Comic Con.

00:59:27.673 --> 00:59:30.514
That's probably when it will actually see it a lot a day.

00:59:30.514 --> 00:59:35.184
But 8 Billion Genies was such a insane workload and the books got later and later.

00:59:35.184 --> 00:59:40.757
So I'm trying to do as much of this book before it even gets announced so that.

00:59:40.757 --> 00:59:42.338
life isn't miserable.

00:59:43.077 --> 00:59:44.498
So we'll see.

00:59:44.498 --> 00:59:45.177
I don't know.

00:59:45.177 --> 00:59:46.257
It's cool though.

00:59:46.257 --> 00:59:46.818
It's cool.

00:59:46.818 --> 00:59:47.717
It's a cool book.

00:59:47.717 --> 00:59:48.797
Well, I'm excited.

00:59:48.797 --> 00:59:51.157
And again, I'm so thankful to have both you guys on here today.

00:59:51.157 --> 00:59:56.418
I for sure would love to have both you guys on either together or separately down the road.

00:59:56.418 --> 00:59:59.777
And just so excited for people to check out Barfly again, July 10th.

00:59:59.777 --> 01:00:01.297
Make sure everybody go check it out.

01:00:01.297 --> 01:00:05.117
And I'll see you both at San Diego Comic-Con in just a couple of weeks.

01:00:05.117 --> 01:00:06.018
Sounds great.

01:00:06.018 --> 01:00:06.717
Fantastic.

01:00:07.085 --> 01:00:09.706
Alrighty, there's that conversation with Kyle Starks and Ryan Brown.

01:00:09.706 --> 01:00:13.206
Thank you both again so much for joining us here on the Oblivion Bar podcast.

01:00:13.206 --> 01:00:16.025
Such a treat to talk to both of them about Barfly.

01:00:16.025 --> 01:00:18.226
I'm very excited for people to read this series.

01:00:18.226 --> 01:00:23.545
That first issue again comes out on July 10th, which again is the hopefully the day that you're listening to this conversation.

01:00:23.545 --> 01:00:28.016
It's the day that it releases and I'm just so jazzed about this minor threats universe.

01:00:28.016 --> 01:00:34.862
What Patton Oswalt and Jordan Blum and Scott Hepburn have created over at Dark Horse is I really do think it's something special.

01:00:34.862 --> 01:00:36.092
I really love that first trade.

01:00:36.092 --> 01:00:37.782
I actually haven't read the second trade quite yet.

01:00:37.782 --> 01:00:40.771
And I've heard nothing but great things about the alternates.

01:00:40.771 --> 01:00:45.552
This is just another notch in the minor threats belt of true awesomeness.

01:00:45.552 --> 01:00:49.942
So once again, thank you both, Colin, Ryan for joining us here on the oblivion bar podcast.

01:00:49.942 --> 01:00:50.902
Always a treat.

01:00:50.902 --> 01:00:55.032
We will definitely have one or both of them on again, sometime in the near future.

01:00:55.032 --> 01:00:59.251
Next week on the oblivion bar podcast, Aaron will be back for episode one 63.

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We will be covering the upcoming long legs, which is the very Scary horror film that you've probably seen trailers for it stars Michael Monroe and Nicolas Cage.

01:01:09.137 --> 01:01:19.677
I think it's directed by Oz Perkins I actually just saw a trailer for this movie for both Maxine and when I went to see a quiet place day one I could not be more excited for this movie guys.

01:01:19.677 --> 01:01:24.818
I'm so pumped to see long legs You know a lot of times here on the oblivion bar podcast.

01:01:24.818 --> 01:01:38.980
We mostly just cover nerd related content whether that be movies comics television series video games, what have you when Aaron I saw this trailer for the first time, we immediately were like, we have to talk about this because we also love horror.

01:01:38.980 --> 01:01:51.989
I mean, I think if there's sort of a smaller pillar of the show, it is horror in one sense or another, whether that's talking to, you know, David Weiner, the multiple times that we've had him on the show or our Halloween special that we have every single year.

01:01:51.989 --> 01:01:57.809
Horror is, I mean, you could even go to our intro music and a lot of our sort of synthy horror.

01:01:57.809 --> 01:02:00.409
There's, there's like a very obvious horror theme to all that.

01:02:00.409 --> 01:02:01.789
So we're very excited for long lights.

01:02:01.789 --> 01:02:02.637
Can't wait to.

01:02:02.637 --> 01:02:08.038
dive into that with Aaron next week, but that'll do it for episode 162 of the oblivion bar podcast.

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And please do not forget to tip your bartenders always 20 % or more, nothing less than 20%.

01:02:38.045 --> 01:02:43.346
You know, if you go to Qdoba or if you go to a coffee shop, I'm not going to tell you that you have to tip 20%.

01:02:43.346 --> 01:02:43.965
I get it.

01:02:43.965 --> 01:02:47.326
They're just handing you a thing at the job that they're already working.

01:02:47.326 --> 01:02:56.706
I think we're getting maybe a little out of hand with some of the tipping, but if you're at a bar or restaurant and you're being served by a server bartender, 20 % should be the absolute bare minimum.

01:02:56.706 --> 01:03:00.909
If they're doing an incredible job, anticipating your needs, all the things.

01:03:00.909 --> 01:03:01.929
Give them that extra bit.

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It makes their day and it's easy on you.

01:03:03.630 --> 01:03:04.829
It's not that much money.

01:03:04.829 --> 01:03:06.380
But anyway, I'll get off my soap box here.

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Thank you guys so much for listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

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We will see you all next week for episode 163.